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That's really cool. I missed your cool gambits and mech plays. So it seems like Dennis wasn't really outed, then why did he just give up alongside Kate? And would he even know about all this? Yes things looked bad for him but not completely impossible.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:55 amKate didn't track Greed, she had some sort of BTSC with them, and said she targeted them to create it since she was confident they were bad (which made me think greed had to be in {Roxy, Matahari, SVS, Dennis}, and I was delaying outing about Kate for a while because I was trying to get her to give me more info so I could narrow it down, and was strongly thinking it was Dennis before you revealed, but your reveal, plus Kate kinda tensing up in the chat made it so the ruse had diminishing returns)MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:53 am Kate told Seanzie she tracked Greed but wouldn't tell him who it was.
Seanzie has mech knowledge Kate was Lust.
I track Kate to Dennis. It tells Seanzie who it is.
I'm top scumread? Why just give up? Why not just claim I'm lying or something? Why doesn't Dennis just claim Kate lied to Seanzie about him being Greed? Why do are they both ok with death?
How did Seanzie know Kate was Lust in the first place? N0 action? I need answers.
I did not know Kate was lust, but I ISO'ed her N1 and she didn't look like town!Kate, so I targeted her. I got BTSC with her, and I came in out the gate saying that I was a sin and I would have died if I targeted a non-sin, so I knew she was a sin. Gambit paid off, and she slipped up kinda quick, then doubled back because I think she realized I could be lying, and then we went back and forth for a while with her not trusting me, then I found out that we can say anything we want in BTSC (and promptly shit my pants because all the sudden I needed a fakeclaim). She was asking if I was Pride, which made me think it was a trap, so I claimed to be lust and that I was starting an orgy/cult and needed to recruit other sins to win. She didn't believe me, and sent me a screenshot of her rolecard (she is lust). I found a way to backpedal, and said I was gluttony and that my own sins are not enough to satisfy me, so I think I convinced her that my cult was real, and that I just needed to find 3 other sins. She told me she knew who Greed was, and I spent the rest of the time trying to figure out who Greed was, but I could tell she didn't fully trust me (she asked me to share my role card and I didn't, so yeah...) I think I did a good job of being like "well, at EoD you'll have the option to join my cult. After you're the same alignment as me, I will full-share. Until then, there is not really any incentive to share anything since you could possibly screw me over." and I told her that telling me who greed was could wait until night when she was recruited, which I think allowed me to fish for hints for a bit longer, since I could ask her about her reads to get clues.
i see tySeanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:17 amWe specifically asked Scotty about if we could claim in BTSC, and scotty said we could post anything we wanted in BTSC, just not in the thread. Scotty did not weigh in after Kate sent the screenshot.
Just for the Gluttony lolzThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:12 amMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:29 am like obviously it's preferable to killing town but
what if killing sins is like entirely not beneficial, or worse yet helps John Doe?I thought it was too easy too especially with Dennis. Afaik Kate and Dennis didn't know for sure Seanzie wasn't a sin.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:46 am I dunno I'm just mad sus about why they both went belly up and Kate immediately started just complimenting Seanzie. Neither give a single shit about being caught. Why?
Not only that, but it felt too easy that Seanzie caught Kate and Dennis in the first place. Sean said Kate basically admitted to being lust and told him who greed was. That seems like careless BTSC even if you do think Sean is a sin. Even if you out yourself, why out someone else?
I still think we get a lot of info from flipping a sin and hopefully we get to see into what their win condition and abilities are. I also don't think the game would punish us for killing a sin. That sounds really harsh and it sounds like too unusual game design to punish us for getting it right.
WE ALL KNOWWWWWWWWJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:14 amWagonomics? Of the two outted purples that the other purples and red maybe didn’t know about?
I had already guessed that Dennis was Greed in the BTSC (Kate said Greed had also agreed to join the cult, and said that Greed didn't know who I was, and then I saw Dennis make a post about SVS that looked like he was signalling to SVS [because I think Dennis thought I was SVS] which made me think Greed was Dennis), and Kate denied it, but I think she probably warned Greed that I was onto him. Mac's mech kinda locks in Dennis as Greed though since Kate specifically said she targeted Greed to create the BTSC they had, and Mac tracked Kate to Dennis.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:18 amThat's really cool. I missed your cool gambits and mech plays. So it seems like Dennis wasn't really outed, then why did he just give up alongside Kate? And would he even know about all this? Yes things looked bad for him but not completely impossible.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:55 amKate didn't track Greed, she had some sort of BTSC with them, and said she targeted them to create it since she was confident they were bad (which made me think greed had to be in {Roxy, Matahari, SVS, Dennis}, and I was delaying outing about Kate for a while because I was trying to get her to give me more info so I could narrow it down, and was strongly thinking it was Dennis before you revealed, but your reveal, plus Kate kinda tensing up in the chat made it so the ruse had diminishing returns)MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:53 am Kate told Seanzie she tracked Greed but wouldn't tell him who it was.
Seanzie has mech knowledge Kate was Lust.
I track Kate to Dennis. It tells Seanzie who it is.
I'm top scumread? Why just give up? Why not just claim I'm lying or something? Why doesn't Dennis just claim Kate lied to Seanzie about him being Greed? Why do are they both ok with death?
How did Seanzie know Kate was Lust in the first place? N0 action? I need answers.
I did not know Kate was lust, but I ISO'ed her N1 and she didn't look like town!Kate, so I targeted her. I got BTSC with her, and I came in out the gate saying that I was a sin and I would have died if I targeted a non-sin, so I knew she was a sin. Gambit paid off, and she slipped up kinda quick, then doubled back because I think she realized I could be lying, and then we went back and forth for a while with her not trusting me, then I found out that we can say anything we want in BTSC (and promptly shit my pants because all the sudden I needed a fakeclaim). She was asking if I was Pride, which made me think it was a trap, so I claimed to be lust and that I was starting an orgy/cult and needed to recruit other sins to win. She didn't believe me, and sent me a screenshot of her rolecard (she is lust). I found a way to backpedal, and said I was gluttony and that my own sins are not enough to satisfy me, so I think I convinced her that my cult was real, and that I just needed to find 3 other sins. She told me she knew who Greed was, and I spent the rest of the time trying to figure out who Greed was, but I could tell she didn't fully trust me (she asked me to share my role card and I didn't, so yeah...) I think I did a good job of being like "well, at EoD you'll have the option to join my cult. After you're the same alignment as me, I will full-share. Until then, there is not really any incentive to share anything since you could possibly screw me over." and I told her that telling me who greed was could wait until night when she was recruited, which I think allowed me to fish for hints for a bit longer, since I could ask her about her reads to get clues.
The spawn of lust and gluttony.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:23 amI had already guessed that Dennis was Greed in the BTSC (Kate said Greed had also agreed to join the cult, and said that Greed didn't know who I was, and then I saw Dennis make a post about SVS that looked like he was signalling to SVS [because I think Dennis thought I was SVS] which made me think Greed was Dennis), and Kate denied it, but I think she probably warned Greed that I was onto him. Mac's mech kinda locks in Dennis as Greed though since Kate specifically said she targeted Greed to create the BTSC they had, and Mac tracked Kate to Dennis.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:18 amThat's really cool. I missed your cool gambits and mech plays. So it seems like Dennis wasn't really outed, then why did he just give up alongside Kate? And would he even know about all this? Yes things looked bad for him but not completely impossible.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:55 amKate didn't track Greed, she had some sort of BTSC with them, and said she targeted them to create it since she was confident they were bad (which made me think greed had to be in {Roxy, Matahari, SVS, Dennis}, and I was delaying outing about Kate for a while because I was trying to get her to give me more info so I could narrow it down, and was strongly thinking it was Dennis before you revealed, but your reveal, plus Kate kinda tensing up in the chat made it so the ruse had diminishing returns)MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:53 am Kate told Seanzie she tracked Greed but wouldn't tell him who it was.
Seanzie has mech knowledge Kate was Lust.
I track Kate to Dennis. It tells Seanzie who it is.
I'm top scumread? Why just give up? Why not just claim I'm lying or something? Why doesn't Dennis just claim Kate lied to Seanzie about him being Greed? Why do are they both ok with death?
How did Seanzie know Kate was Lust in the first place? N0 action? I need answers.
I did not know Kate was lust, but I ISO'ed her N1 and she didn't look like town!Kate, so I targeted her. I got BTSC with her, and I came in out the gate saying that I was a sin and I would have died if I targeted a non-sin, so I knew she was a sin. Gambit paid off, and she slipped up kinda quick, then doubled back because I think she realized I could be lying, and then we went back and forth for a while with her not trusting me, then I found out that we can say anything we want in BTSC (and promptly shit my pants because all the sudden I needed a fakeclaim). She was asking if I was Pride, which made me think it was a trap, so I claimed to be lust and that I was starting an orgy/cult and needed to recruit other sins to win. She didn't believe me, and sent me a screenshot of her rolecard (she is lust). I found a way to backpedal, and said I was gluttony and that my own sins are not enough to satisfy me, so I think I convinced her that my cult was real, and that I just needed to find 3 other sins. She told me she knew who Greed was, and I spent the rest of the time trying to figure out who Greed was, but I could tell she didn't fully trust me (she asked me to share my role card and I didn't, so yeah...) I think I did a good job of being like "well, at EoD you'll have the option to join my cult. After you're the same alignment as me, I will full-share. Until then, there is not really any incentive to share anything since you could possibly screw me over." and I told her that telling me who greed was could wait until night when she was recruited, which I think allowed me to fish for hints for a bit longer, since I could ask her about her reads to get clues.
Nah, Dennis said something like "SVS is town for reasons I will explain later" or something, like Dennis was secretly saying "I will talk to you [SVS] when you target me to be recruited".
Oh yeah, that was super vague lol I forgot about that.
I've never had more fun dying.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:39 amOh yeah, that was super vague lol I forgot about that.
And YES! I first played with Kate in Maybe 2009, have played or watched dozens of games with her in them, and I have never seen LOLKate before. I am super enjoying it, I'm glad she took a rough hand and is having fun with it.
It's not the same thing. With you I feel like there's an interest or sequence to your thought process even if it's sometimes random and disconnected. I don't feel the same way with Wilgy. It's disconnected in that it feels like he doesn't care about knowing the answers to his questions.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:58 amIt's not the same thing. With you I feel like there's an interest or sequence to your thought process even if it's sometimes random and disconnected. I don't feel the same way with Wilgy. It's disconnected in that it feels like he doesn't care about knowing the answers to his questions.
I don't think Kate and Dennis being outed means he's clear, but I also think my time rn is best spent looking for difficult wolves. We don't have huge likely t/t wagons pushed by very skilled players if the game is easy, I don't get randomly suspected if the game is easy, and I don't think Kate is the first to get outed if the game is easy.
As far as who could be the difficult baddies, I don't think it's Mac or Tutuu. I have an idea that it might me SVS and I also want to look into Falcon and Jack. As far as SVS, I find it weird that Kate didn't make a read on her at all. SVS being fooled by Kate makes sense, but similarly to how Kate ignored Dennis Kate also ignored SVS but even more and I'd expect Kate to have some read on her. Dennis may have signaled SVS because he thought Seanzie was SVS, but what if Dennis signaled SVS because he thought she was bad for other reasons?
@MacDougall I really believe you can find me as town if you read my ISO.
I laughed. I wish I weren't postcapped since I'd engage so much more with you lolKate.Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:59 amThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:58 amIt's not the same thing. With you I feel like there's an interest or sequence to your thought process even if it's sometimes random and disconnected. I don't feel the same way with Wilgy. It's disconnected in that it feels like he doesn't care about knowing the answers to his questions.
I don't think Kate and Dennis being outed means he's clear, but I also think my time rn is best spent looking for difficult wolves. We don't have huge likely t/t wagons pushed by very skilled players if the game is easy, I don't get randomly suspected if the game is easy, and I don't think Kate is the first to get outed if the game is easy.
As far as who could be the difficult baddies, I don't think it's Mac or Tutuu. I have an idea that it might me SVS and I also want to look into Falcon and Jack. As far as SVS, I find it weird that Kate didn't make a read on her at all. SVS being fooled by Kate makes sense, but similarly to how Kate ignored Dennis Kate also ignored SVS but even more and I'd expect Kate to have some read on her. Dennis may have signaled SVS because he thought Seanzie was SVS, but what if Dennis signaled SVS because he thought she was bad for other reasons?
@MacDougall I really believe you can find me as town if you read my ISO.
77% sugar.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:01 pmI laughed. I wish I weren't postcapped since I'd engage so much more with you lolKate.Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:59 amThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:58 amIt's not the same thing. With you I feel like there's an interest or sequence to your thought process even if it's sometimes random and disconnected. I don't feel the same way with Wilgy. It's disconnected in that it feels like he doesn't care about knowing the answers to his questions.
I don't think Kate and Dennis being outed means he's clear, but I also think my time rn is best spent looking for difficult wolves. We don't have huge likely t/t wagons pushed by very skilled players if the game is easy, I don't get randomly suspected if the game is easy, and I don't think Kate is the first to get outed if the game is easy.
As far as who could be the difficult baddies, I don't think it's Mac or Tutuu. I have an idea that it might me SVS and I also want to look into Falcon and Jack. As far as SVS, I find it weird that Kate didn't make a read on her at all. SVS being fooled by Kate makes sense, but similarly to how Kate ignored Dennis Kate also ignored SVS but even more and I'd expect Kate to have some read on her. Dennis may have signaled SVS because he thought Seanzie was SVS, but what if Dennis signaled SVS because he thought she was bad for other reasons?
@MacDougall I really believe you can find me as town if you read my ISO.
real-time footage of Kate right now:Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:59 amThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:58 amIt's not the same thing. With you I feel like there's an interest or sequence to your thought process even if it's sometimes random and disconnected. I don't feel the same way with Wilgy. It's disconnected in that it feels like he doesn't care about knowing the answers to his questions.
I don't think Kate and Dennis being outed means he's clear, but I also think my time rn is best spent looking for difficult wolves. We don't have huge likely t/t wagons pushed by very skilled players if the game is easy, I don't get randomly suspected if the game is easy, and I don't think Kate is the first to get outed if the game is easy.
As far as who could be the difficult baddies, I don't think it's Mac or Tutuu. I have an idea that it might me SVS and I also want to look into Falcon and Jack. As far as SVS, I find it weird that Kate didn't make a read on her at all. SVS being fooled by Kate makes sense, but similarly to how Kate ignored Dennis Kate also ignored SVS but even more and I'd expect Kate to have some read on her. Dennis may have signaled SVS because he thought Seanzie was SVS, but what if Dennis signaled SVS because he thought she was bad for other reasons?
@MacDougall I really believe you can find me as town if you read my ISO.
77% spice.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:46 am I dunno I'm just mad sus about why they both went belly up and Kate immediately started just complimenting Seanzie. Neither give a single shit about being caught. Why?
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:12 pmreal-time footage of Kate right now:Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:59 amThunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:58 amIt's not the same thing. With you I feel like there's an interest or sequence to your thought process even if it's sometimes random and disconnected. I don't feel the same way with Wilgy. It's disconnected in that it feels like he doesn't care about knowing the answers to his questions.
I don't think Kate and Dennis being outed means he's clear, but I also think my time rn is best spent looking for difficult wolves. We don't have huge likely t/t wagons pushed by very skilled players if the game is easy, I don't get randomly suspected if the game is easy, and I don't think Kate is the first to get outed if the game is easy.
As far as who could be the difficult baddies, I don't think it's Mac or Tutuu. I have an idea that it might me SVS and I also want to look into Falcon and Jack. As far as SVS, I find it weird that Kate didn't make a read on her at all. SVS being fooled by Kate makes sense, but similarly to how Kate ignored Dennis Kate also ignored SVS but even more and I'd expect Kate to have some read on her. Dennis may have signaled SVS because he thought Seanzie was SVS, but what if Dennis signaled SVS because he thought she was bad for other reasons?
@MacDougall I really believe you can find me as town if you read my ISO.
Read the thread lmaoNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:23 pm Why are there 9 on Kate?
Asking in a non-partnered way.
KITTY KATE HAS 9 LIVESRoxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:24 pmRead the thread lmaoNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:23 pm Why are there 9 on Kate?
Asking in a non-partnered way.
I hear that's how she likes it.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:23 pm Why are there 9 on Kate?
Asking in a non-partnered way.
And I get that but he already included non movie roles why not non movie powers.
Sean outed her with an assist from Mac. Quickest way to find it is to ISO Sean, that's what i did when I walked into this last night.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:27 pm Wow why didn't I ever thibk of just reading the thread. Silly me!
