The Syndicate

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:32 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:27 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:22 pm Whatever happens today, I want folks to listen to DrWilgy moving forward.

why?

I think he's town, I think he knows his shit, and I think sometimes his best work gets overlooked.

he caught me before when i was powerwolfing the fuck out of a game, and he sees the same style of play here, and i tr that read on me even though it's wrong

but it's gonna lead to trouble even though yeah him assuming it's a hard game and his alignment is just being tmi'ed is a villa reaction + tinfoiling bereft of all people etc etc

smth smth he will have good takes

That's what I appreciate about @DrWilgy later in a game. He'll keep the "core" on its toes if he thinks it's necessary, but he will also play with a level head and not make super rash decisions. I also kind of think killing someone will posts today will maximize his future utility, because he needs data. That's not why Michelle should go, but it helps.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:34 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

it's incorrect.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:32 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:27 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:25 pm Honestly, I don't even know what to think anymore. I'm exhausted and I feel like a lot of pieces don't make sense. I want to stop staring at the thread hoping some solve will click, because every time I feel like it does I doubt it later.

There's a psychological phenomenon called "incubation" that suggests creative human problem solving can be aided by taking some time away from a problem to think about other things before returning to it (this can break us out of preconception and confirmation bias).

However, I think that's probably what the night phase is for.

Yeah I'm going to keep going until EoD but I'm feeling really burnt out. I was relieved EoD wasn't here at first because I was nervous for the flip, but now I realize just how much my brain was expecting a break.

funnily enough i had a dream about eod when i fell asleep where lorab just flipped mafia and i was all happy. then i wake up, check my phone, still expecting a lorab red flip and boom the game is going on here and i am once again playing a hard game

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:35 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:34 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

it's incorrect.

I literally never thought this, why did it even come to mind your mind, why are you this ???????.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:36 pm I just remembered some more long-ago Bereft posts that reaffirmed my confidence in him, which extends my confidence in robyn, which extends my confidence in my other four primary town reads (Wilgy, Rondo, Cape, DM). That helps my current state of mind. I still think this POE is just good. I hope we can start to prove it today, but even if not, there's so much that supports this direction. Whatever happens happens.

I am writing this mostly for myself, but here have a pick-me up anyone else if you like.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

Can you talk to me about your reads? I feel like we have a lot in common with our reads and our process.

If Michelle's town, I'd suspect Abi and LoRab first, but I can still see wolf Scotty trying to start a Bereft wagon. If Michelle's wolf, Scotty is even more sus to me and I might consider DM in that world too.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:28 pm rondo why are you on michelle?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am And if you think that "pairs us", oh well

Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.

I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:47 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

Can you talk to me about your reads? I feel like we have a lot in common with our reads and our process.

If Michelle's town, I'd suspect Abi and LoRab first, but I can still see wolf Scotty trying to start a Bereft wagon. If Michelle's wolf, Scotty is even more sus to me and I might consider DM in that world too.

Wait, why is Scotty more sus if Michelle is wolf?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:36 pm I just remembered some more long-ago Bereft posts that reaffirmed my confidence in him, which extends my confidence in robyn, which extends my confidence in my other four primary town reads (Wilgy, Rondo, Cape, DM). That helps my current state of mind. I still think this POE is just good. I hope we can start to prove it today, but even if not, there's so much that supports this direction. Whatever happens happens.

I am writing this mostly for myself, but here have a pick-me up anyone else if you like.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:43 pm If I was: Who I targeted Last night:
Ted Lasso - Protector J³

Coach Beard - Check Alignment ‪ts account

Rebecca Walton - Money Siphon ‪Scotty

Roy Kent - BTS Mason ‪Robyn

Keeley Jones - BTS Mason ‪Robyn

Jamie Tartt - Body Guard ‪J³

Leslie Higgins - Whisperer ‪Michelle

Trent Crimm - Host Post Dont kill Rondo

Sam Obisanya - Blocker ‪Abigail

Isaac Macadoo - Forced Sherrif ‪Dr.Wilgy

Colin Hughes - Hidden IC ‪Long Con

Dani Rojas - Town Kill
-----------------------------------
Rupert Mannion - Money Bags ‪Robyn Kill + Investigate

Nathan Shelley - Fake Green Scotty

Trio of fans - Curse Scotty

Edwin Akufo - Sam Bully ‪J³

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am And if you think that "pairs us", oh well

Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.

I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).

Why do you think it's NAI?

A lot of my stronger town tells are because I don't think the person would even have the thought as mafia.

I think that was one of those moments where Michelle said reasoning mafia wouldn't even think of. I don't see Michelle as someone who has as in-depth reasoning as scum and absolutely would make that kind of read as a snap take and leave it. The fact that she considered all this history with this read in particular, an easy townread on the scariest player in the game, I think is something scum Michelle wouldn't do. It's the kind of read that would be an afterthought as scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:50 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:47 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

Can you talk to me about your reads? I feel like we have a lot in common with our reads and our process.

If Michelle's town, I'd suspect Abi and LoRab first, but I can still see wolf Scotty trying to start a Bereft wagon. If Michelle's wolf, Scotty is even more sus to me and I might consider DM in that world too.

Wait, why is Scotty more sus if Michelle is wolf?

Because of the vote on you. I think it makes sense from someone trying to save a teammate more than it makes sense from someone trying to start another town option.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:51 pm THANK YOU

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:28 pm rondo why are you on michelle?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:36 pm I just remembered some more long-ago Bereft posts that reaffirmed my confidence in him, which extends my confidence in robyn, which extends my confidence in my other four primary town reads (Wilgy, Rondo, Cape, DM). That helps my current state of mind. I still think this POE is just good. I hope we can start to prove it today, but even if not, there's so much that supports this direction. Whatever happens happens.

I am writing this mostly for myself, but here have a pick-me up anyone else if you like.

can you give me a rainbow?

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:51 pm THANK YOU

Lol sorry.
Slipped my mind.

Anyways yeah.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:54 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:28 pm rondo why are you on michelle?

@Cape90 I ask again, why not?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:36 pm I just remembered some more long-ago Bereft posts that reaffirmed my confidence in him, which extends my confidence in robyn, which extends my confidence in my other four primary town reads (Wilgy, Rondo, Cape, DM). That helps my current state of mind. I still think this POE is just good. I hope we can start to prove it today, but even if not, there's so much that supports this direction. Whatever happens happens.

I am writing this mostly for myself, but here have a pick-me up anyone else if you like.

can you give me a rainbow?

DrWilgy
Cape90
robyn

Bereft
DarlingMonroe
RondoDimBuckle

---POE Line---

Thunal
Scotty

Abigail
S~V~S
LoRab
ts account
Michelle

Something like that. Order isn't super meaningful within tiers.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:51 pm THANK YOU

Lol sorry.
Slipped my mind.

Anyways yeah.

Legit if power roles cant communicate then they cant help town. I know its mostly wifom but its not for when peopel are alive.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:54 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:28 pm rondo why are you on michelle?

@Cape90 I ask again, why not?

1. You called Michelle town earlier
2. It's going on a vote JJJ is also on

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:56 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:51 pm THANK YOU

Lol sorry.
Slipped my mind.

Anyways yeah.

Legit if power roles cant communicate then they cant help town. I know its mostly wifom but its not for when peopel are alive.

I dunno what you're talking about man.
I communicated alot today.
Really did.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:50 pm https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... tch-s-Moon

michelle just played this game as scum

and it JUST ended

That's good to know, i can sheep you here because it looks like you have enough meta
M

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:58 pm fuck me. is JJJ just town?

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:59 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:58 pm fuck me. is JJJ just town?

yeah unf

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:56 pm I realyl hate that you have Cape higher than me. And Bereft not on the same tier as Robyn but I will fucking live with it if Michelle flips wolf

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:57 pm Anyways J³ needs to fix the tierlist now.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:00 pm I really hate this world view and I refuse to give up on JJJ being wolf till after the flip

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:50 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:47 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

Can you talk to me about your reads? I feel like we have a lot in common with our reads and our process.

If Michelle's town, I'd suspect Abi and LoRab first, but I can still see wolf Scotty trying to start a Bereft wagon. If Michelle's wolf, Scotty is even more sus to me and I might consider DM in that world too.

Wait, why is Scotty more sus if Michelle is wolf?

Because of the vote on you. I think it makes sense from someone trying to save a teammate more than it makes sense from someone trying to start another town option.

Ah. I have no clue what the votecount looked like at the time, but I would assume LoRab was on the board which would be my reflex counter.

Idk, I thought about it more and I just do not understand the Scotty curse. Its not a mafia frame because theres just no point. There's no way mafia targeted J³ for the kill, and so they knew he was going to push Michelle today, whats the point of framing Scotty.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:01 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:00 pm I really hate this world view and I refuse to give up on JJJ being wolf till after the flip

gth what's ur worldview

assuming

me/jjj/bereft/cape town

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:00 pm I really hate this world view and I refuse to give up on JJJ being wolf till after the flip

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:01 pm Wait why the $%#! are ppl voting Michelle.

We're not $%#!ing voting Michelle today.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:01 pm Wait why the $%#! are ppl voting Michelle.

We're not $%#!ing voting Michelle today.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:01 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:00 pm I really hate this world view and I refuse to give up on JJJ being wolf till after the flip

fth what's ur worldview

assuming

me/jjj/bereft/cape town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:02 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:01 pm Wait why the $%#! are ppl voting Michelle.

We're not $%#!ing voting Michelle today.

You called both wagons crap, so who would you like to kill?

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:02 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:01 pm Wait why the $%#! are ppl voting Michelle.

We're not $%#!ing voting Michelle today.

You called both wagons crap, so who would you like to kill?

I said I'd take LoRab.