The Syndicate

Thanks MP - boo will you tell us who replaced who? My spreadsheet will be all goofed up if I have to guess.

I am willing to put a vote on Faraday today because I believe the role block story. I'll think about whether I want to force others to use their +5 votes - do we have evidence they are bad or are we just trying to get rid of the ability now while we can so it can't be used later? I'm a little confused about that point.

juliets wrote:Thanks MP - boo will you tell us who replaced who? My spreadsheet will be all goofed up if I have to guess.

I am willing to put a vote on Faraday today because I believe the role block story. I'll think about whether I want to force others to use their +5 votes - do we have evidence they are bad or are we just trying to get rid of the ability now while we can so it can't be used later? I'm a little confused about that point.

We don't have evidence they are bad. I think TH is just saying regardless of whether they're bad or LMS, the latter of which is more likely from a numbers standpoint, at some point they will have lynch control.

But I personally am leaning more towards just flat out lynching DF today, I think. The +5 is something to keep in mind, but it's not somethign we need to coordinate today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:BR replaced an inactive who I'm certain was on Epig's team.

Can you elaborate on this one, Marshy?

I just saw that BR replaced Elo. You think Elo and Epi had BTSC?

Turnip Head wrote:I just saw that BR replaced Elo. You think Elo and Epi had BTSC?

Yes, and I think it is related to the reason Eloh quit.

Look at their interactions from Day 1-2. I'm on my phone right now, so I can't quote effectively, but that's why I think they were partners.

Also, why do you think Epig is a red? I do agree that he and LC were probably on a team, but I don't think that they could have gotten hotels as early as they did, not with the cash Epig had. I just don't see him as a red.

Reading Railroad killed Epi. SVS was Reading Railroad. Indiana Avenue popped out of her corpse.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

juliets wrote:Thanks MP - boo will you tell us who replaced who? My spreadsheet will be all goofed up if I have to guess.

I am willing to put a vote on Faraday today because I believe the role block story. I'll think about whether I want to force others to use their +5 votes - do we have evidence they are bad or are we just trying to get rid of the ability now while we can so it can't be used later? I'm a little confused about that point.

We don't have evidence they are bad. I think TH is just saying regardless of whether they're bad or LMS, the latter of which is more likely from a numbers standpoint, at some point they will have lynch control.

But I personally am leaning more towards just flat out lynching DF today, I think. The +5 is something to keep in mind, but it's not somethign we need to coordinate today.

My suggestion is that we look for WW today since that is the one that kills tonight, and DF is a solid backup option.

Linki: Oh that's right. Who killed on Night 7?

You would rather the Beatdown properties get to kill tonight instead?

Just to be clear, it is possible that either MP or bass is bad now right so it's not 100% sure they are 'neutral?' (they just have to trade and stuff to stay alive?)

And I guess DF is a better gamble than trying to lynch WW tonight as he/she may 'forget' to kill again and I honestly dont really know where to look for WW at this point and there is always a chance WW kills someone with the +5 votes anyway (regarding the +5 votes power discussion)

Turnip Head wrote:You would rather the Beatdown properties get to kill tonight instead?

What's the difference really in who gets to kill? I don't see any difference between WW and the Beatdowns as far as killing someone - the "who" may be different but I don't know how to determine who WW would kill versus the Beatdowns. Why is it that you feel the Beatdowns are more dangerous?

Because the Beatdowns aren't going to NK anyone on their team while WW might. And with an NK the Beatdowns might start to feel confident in running the lynches. Especially if they have extra votes.

Ok, I see what you are saying TH, thanks for responding.

And i forgot to say earlier welcome back MP and Bass, unless one of you is bad.

Turnip Head wrote:Because the Beatdowns aren't going to NK anyone on their team while WW might. And with an NK the Beatdowns might start to feel confident in running the lynches. Especially if they have extra votes.

I know you've discounted juliets' thoughts, but I'd still lean more towards her view. WW has killed 3 times now, and acquired at least 4 properties as a result. What if MP and/or Bass manage to team up with WW? He still has the ability to learn roles too. Both factions would be dangerous with the kill.

My understanding is that you nor any teammates you might have own the Beatdown role. Which player do you think acquired the beatdown (if any)?

Also TH, why were you so keen to lynch SVS when you thought she was WW (and she wasn't), but now you are redirecting us from hunting for WW?

I'm not against lynching WW, it needs to be done at some point. But on the priority list of people who need to die, WW might be on the lower end for me right now.

I was for lynching SVS because that was the best case I had anyone. We don't currently have a case on Water Works.

I think Epi would likely encourage his team to acquire the Beatdown. I could also see LC wanting it; he hasn't bid on anything in quite a while, he may have paid a pretty penny for it. Lorab's on my radar, she hasn't bid on much or said much. Anyone I say here would be nothing more than a wild guess.

Basically, I think a color group that was established early is most likely to have bid high for it. So probably the reds or the baby blues.

Would you mind making a list of who you think we should kill, as long or short as you like, even if it's just by player role?

Even if we lynch DF today, the beatdown would still get his kill tomorrow, if he is B&O.

Linki: I don't think LC bought it. If he did, there is definitely not a chance he and Epig could have afforded hotels, no matter who their other parter was. I originally thought SVS had bought it since she had asked questions about it, but she turned out to be a RR instead. And I know I don't have it.

Linki 2: Yes, the baby blues are a possibility. Here are our options then.


1) We search for and lynch the baddies, and see if anyone else starts killing. Then we adjust accordingly.

2) We focus on breaking down color groups (that puts you on this list TH) and let the baddies continue to kill.

If you are right, and the beatdown will become prevalent, then the sooner we found out who has it, the better. Lynching color groups probably won't tell us who has it; we can only hope that we lynched the right person.

Sure, here's my personal priority list:

Long Con (+5 votes, LMS, possibly Beatdown)
DFaraday (nearly airtight case for being RR)
Water Works
Metalmarsh (+5 votes, likely LMS)
Reds (BR?)
Everyone else (LMS), Bass, MP? Idk
Turnip Head (all by himself, broke as fuck)

TH, since there is an almost airtight case against DF why would you go for LC first? Is it because you believe he has the beatdown? Is there anything in particular that leads you to that conclusion (sorry if I missed it if you already explained).

And I think Zeek was either red or baby blue. If he was a red and you're right about BR, then Epi and LC were not teammates.

Linki: I'm worried that LC bought Beatdown and that he has enough votes to run lynches, yes. He's also been gunning for me all game, mostly because he thought I was WW. Maybe he was hoping that was the case so he could get his grubby Canadian hands all over the NK.

hahahaha "his grubby canadian hands", good one TH, and thanks for the explanation.

Turnip Head wrote:And I think Zeek was either red or baby blue. If he was a red and you're right about BR, then Epi and LC were not teammates.

Linki: I'm worried that LC bought Beatdown and that he has enough votes to run lynches, yes. He's also been gunning for me all game, mostly because he thought I was WW. Maybe he was hoping that was the case so he could get his grubby Canadian hands all over the NK.

That's a really good point. I'll think about it.

LC did back off of you after I posted my case that you're pink, and he also has become very interested in lynching DF. Then again, that's not an isolated behavior. I and others have also switched trains of thought.

juliets wrote:Thanks MP - boo will you tell us who replaced who? My spreadsheet will be all goofed up if I have to guess.

I am willing to put a vote on Faraday today because I believe the role block story. I'll think about whether I want to force others to use their +5 votes - do we have evidence they are bad or are we just trying to get rid of the ability now while we can so it can't be used later? I'm a little confused about that point.

Well it wasn't a straight out replace, SD and DP just left since they weren't actually playing so MP and bass would have a property to start with. I just put them both back in where they were for my SS and changed the necessary stuff.

Sale:
The 10 houses that cost $100 each and do not have to be used immediately after buying can be purchased now via PM. You can buy as many as you want, but they cost an additional $25 for each one you buy after 1. You can buy them for the next 2 hours.

10 extra lynch votes are for sale. They cost $50 each and it's 2 max per player. They will stop being sold (if they aren't sold out) in 5 hours.

What a twist

Turnip Head wrote:Sure, here's my personal priority list:

Long Con (+5 votes, LMS, possibly Beatdown)
DFaraday (nearly airtight case for being RR)
Water Works
Metalmarsh (+5 votes, likely LMS)
Reds (BR?)
Everyone else (LMS), Bass, MP? Idk
Turnip Head (all by himself, broke as fuck)

You're quite the sweet talker. I'm not buying what you're selling. I think you are much more powerful than you are letting on. I also think you may be low on money but you have more tricks up your sleeve. There is no way you mortgaged that sweet property you just picked up that will make you much more powerful.

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Sure, here's my personal priority list:

Long Con (+5 votes, LMS, possibly Beatdown)
DFaraday (nearly airtight case for being RR)
Water Works
Metalmarsh (+5 votes, likely LMS)
Reds (BR?)
Everyone else (LMS), Bass, MP? Idk
Turnip Head (all by himself, broke as fuck)

You're quite the sweet talker. I'm not buying what you're selling. I think you are much more powerful than you are letting on. I also think you may be low on money but you have more tricks up your sleeve. There is no way you mortgaged that sweet property you just picked up that will make you much more powerful.

BR, given what boo said about assessing TH's resources (paraphrasing) I can't imagine what he meant if not looking to see what can be mortgaged to give him enough cash to live. boo didn't make that kind of comment about anyone else who landed on a hotel. So if you believe he didn't mortgage the property how do you think he got enough money to pay the hotel rent? Or have I misunderstood what you said?

I literally had to mortgage them or I would die, it's that simple. I can get them back if I get more money later.

I had one trick up my sleeve, the +5 votes, and I was already forced to use it. Long Con and Metalmarsh have that same trick still, guaranteed. And if they have any amount of money at all, they probably just bought a couple more.

12 alive. If LC has the 5 votes, plus his own, plus 2 more from today, plus maybe 1 or 2 from the contest at the beginning of the game... that's a possible 9 or 10 votes. More if he's got teammates willing to vote with him.

There will probably be 10 players left alive in 48 hours.

Scary stuff people.

I don't have the Beatdown. For all I know, you have it TH, you're the one so broke you had to mortgage, right? I'm going after Water Works, and I'm going after Railroads, because they're baddies. It's not speculation, like "LC is a red" (no, I'm not), it's a fact. An accompanying fact is that every time they kill, they get a great deal more powerful by lining up properties.

It is no surprise that I'm on top of your list, TH, considering I've been completely hounding you all game. It's truly nothing personal, and if Metalmarsh is right and you're a pink, then I've been very wrong and wasted my time and more in coming after you. How airtight is MM's case on you being a pink? I need to look over it again.

Again, I don't have the Beatdown. And it's funny that you'd mention how I have backed off bidding lately, because I've been intending to bid at the end of the night/day for certain things, and a couple of times forgetfulness has cost me so much. $1 for Indiana with a hotel?? Seriously, I looked at the clock four minutes after bidding closed, and swore. I would have gladly taken that juicy red moneymaker.

Did you bid on Beatdown, LC?

And you would have had to bid $202 to win that hotel. Because you didn't vote for SVS like you should have.

I didn't bid on the Beatdown. It was pretty much a sure thing that the Reds would make sure they got it.

Long Con wrote:I didn't bid on the Beatdown. It was pretty much a sure thing that the Reds would make sure they got it.

If you aren't red who do you think is ?

I think the reds are all dead, and in the hands of the Railroad, the Utility, and Turnip Head.

Long Con wrote:I think the reds are all dead, and in the hands of the Railroad, the Utility, and Turnip Head.

What makes you think TH has a red property? (he landed on one of their hotels and clearly had to pay so the chance he has a red one is already deminished by 33%)

Well, first of all, TH bid $1 and got Indiana Avenue (with a hotel) after it was taken from S~V~S' lynched corpse, so yes... he has one.

Second, even if TH had a red, and landed on a red, it would still show up as him paying them, even if he were paying himself.

Just want to add, TH would have to pay for landing on Illinois, because he just has Indiana. I believe his payment was quite real, and that he's not a native red.

Long Con wrote:I think the reds are all dead, and in the hands of the Railroad, the Utility, and Turnip Head.

I think you're correct.

I went ahead and voted DFaraday. It just makes the most sense to me to get rid of the proper mafia right now, and he's the only one whose role seems 99% certain to me.

Even if, as you assume, I am a railroad, I think everyone should think about who the real threats are. At this point, everyone who is not your color is your enemy, and I'm not one of the guys who've been hoarding special abilities. I have no tricks, no allegiance, and let's face it, no real strategy (I'm really off my mark this entire game).

But one thing you do have DF that we don't is a kill. I'm sorry but I have to vote for you too.

I'm voting DF.

I still think we should force LC to lynch DFaraday by himself, but I understand that a more straightforward approach is more popular. But don't say I didn't warn you guys about his voting power.

I guess we'll see if anyone inherits the kill. I don't know if I believe LC when he says he didn't bid on Beatdown. The reds spent a lot of money on houses, hotels, and Epi's Chance card, while the baby blues were frugal with their house purchases. These were the two established teams when Beatdown was put up for auction. Smart money says the blues at least tried to get the power.

There were extra votes for sale yesterday, how come nobody bought any?

How do you know nobody bought them? I didn't because I don't have any money, but I definitely would have bought some if I was able.

Turnip Head wrote:How do you know nobody bought them? I didn't because I don't have any money, but I definitely would have bought some if I was able.

I wasn't around, but it said houses were available for sale via pm, but not for the votes.

boo wrote:Sale:
The 10 houses that cost $100 each and do not have to be used immediately after buying can be purchased now via PM. You can buy as many as you want, but they cost an additional $25 for each one you buy after 1. You can buy them for the next 2 hours.

10 extra lynch votes are for sale. They cost $50 each and it's 2 max per player. They will stop being sold (if they aren't sold out) in 5 hours.

Hmmm it looks like you're right. Boo didn't say that the votes were sold via PM like the houses.

And I'm pretty sure I saw you online reading the thread when the announcement went up.

Looks like all the houses are still on the front page, too.

Turnip Head wrote:

boo wrote:Sale:
The 10 houses that cost $100 each and do not have to be used immediately after buying can be purchased now via PM. You can buy as many as you want, but they cost an additional $25 for each one you buy after 1. You can buy them for the next 2 hours.

10 extra lynch votes are for sale. They cost $50 each and it's 2 max per player. They will stop being sold (if they aren't sold out) in 5 hours.

Hmmm it looks like you're right. Boo didn't say that the votes were sold via PM like the houses.

And I'm pretty sure I saw you online reading the thread when the announcement went up.

I did check in briefly on my phone on the bus. I also tend to leave my browser open when I'm not home. Like how some players hide their online status, I do the opposite.