The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:ALSO even more importantly: we know a Nanman is still alive (only 3 of 5 are confirmed dead) and active enough to be submitting kills. So that handy little list that Golden posted of people not active in the past 10 days is looking good that they have a terrible chance of being Nanman.

Scotty wrote:Day 8 looks the best, but it only give me slight pause. Even a bad person votes for teammates at some point.

Golden wrote:Even if I'm wrong about Zuo Ci being Jay, I think he is most likely a representative of the collective dead and in this sense I'd call the role inherently town leaning.

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:ALSO even more importantly: we know a Nanman is still alive (only 3 of 5 are confirmed dead) and active enough to be submitting kills. So that handy little list that Golden posted of people not active in the past 10 days is looking good that they have a terrible chance of being Nanman.

How would that logic have worked on the inh front? There is still every possibility that a Nanman or a Yellow Turban could be included in that list.

In any event - I didn't say 'lets lynch all these people' - I just wanted to sort out who they were. I don't know what I want to do about it right now.

As for you being bitter about people voting for you - you've gone something like more than a week and you manage to say things in the thread but one thing you just can't do is actually address the suspicion on you, so you deserve the votes you've gotten.

Scotty wrote:Tell me, if I am bad, which team am I on and why?

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:Tell me, if I am bad, which team am I on and why?

One of the bad ones, because it's the PM epi sent you.

I'm not all up in the theory of the game so much this time, and really I'm just looking for things that look bad. But I'd probably guess the Turbans is slightly more likely. Maybe you are continuing MP's vendetta.

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:Tell me, if I am bad, which team am I on and why?

One of the bad ones, because it's the PM epi sent you.

I'm not all up in the theory of the game so much this time, and really I'm just looking for things that look bad. But I'd probably guess the Turbans is slightly more likely. Maybe you are continuing MP's vendetta.

See, I could understand the YT. So far, the only revealed player is Mp, and I hardcore thought he was civ.

I've been all over INH since like Day 4, so I would find it incredibly dumb objectively to label me as his teammate. Even less likely than Nutella being MP's teammate.

Thanks for the snark, but my question of "why" was a serious one.

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:Tell me, if I am bad, which team am I on and why?

One of the bad ones, because it's the PM epi sent you.

I'm not all up in the theory of the game so much this time, and really I'm just looking for things that look bad. But I'd probably guess the Turbans is slightly more likely. Maybe you are continuing MP's vendetta.

See, I could understand the YT. So far, the only revealed player is Mp, and I hardcore thought he was civ.

I've been all over INH since like Day 4, so I would find it incredibly dumb objectively to label me as his teammate. Even less likely than Nutella being MP's teammate.

Thanks for the snark, but my question of "why" was a serious one.

My response was also a serious one. I am judging you based on your behaviour that I find suspicious, not my 'theory of the game', so I don't have a theory about why you are on a specific team.

I do, however, agree with you that YT is more likely (as I noted)... the fact you admit it is... interesting. Maybe a slightly good look on you.

Golden wrote:Am I correct in labelling the following people as absent (as in, not posting or voting for at least ten days)

Bullzeye
Dunny
Jan
Leetic
Nerolunar
sig
Spacedaisy

Golden wrote:I'm not sure, exactly, but I think so. Zuo Ci has some posts from before we revealed Jay's identity, which I think were possibly Epignosis. Did you notice that it was Zuo Ci who revealed Jay's role, not Epignosis? And that this created a change from speaking in normal type to Italics. It's someone who has enough flair to roleplay - someone whose suspects align to those of Jay - and someone who specifically called out my 'disdain for prefects', which I think was done intentionally (by Jay) to make me realise the real identity.

Of course, this is just my opinion, but I currently think that Zuo Ci is Jay. I don't know if it's Jay come back to take part in the game on his own account though. It's possible that he represents the dead generally and that (for instance) the people he voted for yesterday were those who got the most votes from among the dead.

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:Am I correct in labelling the following people as absent (as in, not posting or voting for at least ten days)

Bullzeye
Dunny
Jan
Leetic
Nerolunar
sig
Spacedaisy

What's your point?

Golden wrote:In this game nutella has lynched every successfully lynched member of the nanmans, and only one looks like a potential bus (the rest she seems on quite early). MP of the yellow turbans was out for her blood from the start until his death.

So why should we be out to get her? Doesn't that look like someone who is the definition of most likely not to be bad?

So? She voted for Wilgy Day 1. So did MM. I think Wilgy was looking to fight because he was a warrior.
Day 2, she votes right before the deadline as the useless 10th vote on Mm. She had no part in the creation of that lynch. Even if she had voted for Russ, with 8 votes, Mm would still have dueled. So that vote alone does nothing for Cred.
Day 3 is a wash because IIRC almost all the people with more than 3 votes have been revealed to be civ. So she could have voted for Stalin and we wouldn't have lynched him.
Day 4- now this is the one I go back and forth on. She votes Bass and Russ, to push votes ahead of MP, essentially giving Mp 2 more outs to not duel. From a perspective of Nutella being on YT, this vote is a save for sure. But you are correct that it is far unliklier that MP would throw her under the bus that early. This is the second day in a row that he votes for her, but at the end of the day, she didn't vote him. So... I think the case is still there that Mp WOULD do something like that but who really knows. I'd expect her to be a Nanman right now over YT.
Day 5- she votes in the middle of the pack on DP (a mislynch I started, unfortunately) and Caps. No info there.
Day 6- she basically saves Bass (who I don't think is bad) and votes DDL to tie the vote and pushes ahead Caps. Both are confirmed good now. Since I don't think Bass is bad, I don't see this vote as damning at all, since both of the forementioned players had reasonable suspicion I guess..
Day 7- but then doubles back and votes early for Bass and DDL. I thought she had not suspected Bass, or was she would have voted him yesterday, right? Or did I miss something? I haven't reread her reasoning on voting bass day 4, saving him on day 6 and doubling back on day 7. It's as if she's more carefree with her votes there
Day 8- now that's a risky vote if she is Nanman. 2nd vote on a low-voting day for INH. She also voted early, so it would be hard to save if need be. This does look like a positive look for her, so I'll give you that. It's not unheard of to bus a teammate if they look to be garnering attention, but she wasn't really. I'll ponder this one.
Day 9- she is the 5th vote on INH, and honestly does nothing for me. No one else had but 1 vote at the time of her voting, and INH was a foregone conclusion to be dueling with the amount of participation we've been having.

Also she's voted me like 3 times which I'm not bitter about....

Day 8 looks the best, but it only give me slight pause. Even a bad person votes for teammates at some point.

Scotty wrote:Oh, and for a change of pace...

I think LoRab's vote yesterday looks weak as hell. She had not mentioned INH before placing her pile-on vote.

What say you, Golden?

MacDougall wrote:Humour me. If I am bad, am I a Nanman or a Turban? Am I teammates with the guy I voted on day 1 who got lynched and did I fake being silenced for an entire day or am I teammates with the guy who I called out early game and who had an aneurysm about my needling him?

Scotty wrote:Oh, and for a change of pace...

I think LoRab's vote yesterday looks weak as hell. She had not mentioned INH before placing her pile-on vote.

What say you, Golden?

Zuo Ci wrote:Four souls yet breathe who have declared fealty to the nameless one. Nature quakes in anticipation for their testimony. Let loose the guilt within, and I will listen. I am compassionate to your folly.

Boomslang, dear child, your fealty was to the nameless one and also his rodent spirit animal. You must let your words free.

Boomslang wrote:

Zuo Ci wrote:Four souls yet breathe who have declared fealty to the nameless one. Nature quakes in anticipation for their testimony. Let loose the guilt within, and I will listen. I am compassionate to your folly.

Boomslang, dear child, your fealty was to the nameless one and also his rodent spirit animal. You must let your words free.

The prefect votes were eons ago in game time, and I really didn't give them much thought. As I said, I voted MM for out-of-game reasons and INH because his banner looked cool :P You can choose to believe me or not, but that's the truth. You'll also note I was first to vote INH yesterday, which turned out pretty well.

Zuo Ci wrote:I have never known such intense drama as this. It is exhilarating.

Spacedaisy wrote:Seriously folks, I clearly have not been able to even be around, how have I not been lynched yet?

*votes self and the lowest poster aside from herself*

Spacedaisy wrote:LOL, I just find it hard to believe I could be completely absent from the site for like four days and am still alive. But then, not being present in the game means I have no idea what happened and perhaps you found some truly suspicious characters.

Zuo Ci wrote:It is my instinct to believe the testimony of the man Boomslang. I did however report this occurrence to the most esteemed mathematicians in China to satiate my curiosity. Their oracles inform them that an accidental declaration of fealty to two members of a fringe faction would be impressively improbable. I would welcome consideration of this notion, though I freely release myself from such a dialogue. I commune with spirits, not with metaphysical symbols.

Scotty wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:LOL, I just find it hard to believe I could be completely absent from the site for like four days and am still alive. But then, not being present in the game means I have no idea what happened and perhaps you found some truly suspicious characters.

I mean you do a bring up a good point against you:

The YT haven't killed since night 6. That was basically 4 days ago (and 12 RL days). You haven't posted since Day 6.

So...you'll be getting a vote from me today, since you seem eager to do so. It also just makes sense to me that you would be on a baddie team with your husband.

My other vote is going to...Sloonei. Not Nutella

Scotty wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:LOL, I just find it hard to believe I could be completely absent from the site for like four days and am still alive. But then, not being present in the game means I have no idea what happened and perhaps you found some truly suspicious characters.

I mean you do a bring up a good point against you:

The YT haven't killed since night 6. That was basically 4 days ago (and 12 RL days). You haven't posted since Day 6.

So...you'll be getting a vote from me today, since you seem eager to do so. It also just makes sense to me that you would be on a baddie team with your husband.

My other vote is going to...Sloonei. Not Nutella

Quin wrote:The daisy vote seems to be coming from the mindset that the YT's are inactive as opposed to dead, which I'm not too fond of but I'm not going to fault it.

I'm okay with a sig vote, but what's the case against Dunny?

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:The daisy vote seems to be coming from the mindset that the YT's are inactive as opposed to dead, which I'm not too fond of but I'm not going to fault it.

I'm okay with a sig vote, but what's the case against Dunny?

I'm not fond of it either, and look with suspicion upon the person pushing it, who mostly seems to be Scotty, who I already didn't trust. I think Scotty is YT.

Even when we had known YT's alive, their kill rate was low. I think there is some pre-condition to be met for their kill to go through.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:The daisy vote seems to be coming from the mindset that the YT's are inactive as opposed to dead, which I'm not too fond of but I'm not going to fault it.

I'm okay with a sig vote, but what's the case against Dunny?

I'm not fond of it either, and look with suspicion upon the person pushing it, who mostly seems to be Scotty, who I already didn't trust. I think Scotty is YT.

Even when we had known YT's alive, their kill rate was low. I think there is some pre-condition to be met for their kill to go through.

DFaraday wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:The daisy vote seems to be coming from the mindset that the YT's are inactive as opposed to dead, which I'm not too fond of but I'm not going to fault it.

I'm okay with a sig vote, but what's the case against Dunny?

I'm not fond of it either, and look with suspicion upon the person pushing it, who mostly seems to be Scotty, who I already didn't trust. I think Scotty is YT.

Even when we had known YT's alive, their kill rate was low. I think there is some pre-condition to be met for their kill to go through.

The Turbans are already at a numbers disadvantage to begin with, I doubt they'd have a prerec on top of that. I think it's more likely they just haven't been sending them in. I'm going to go ahead and vote Lorab and Daisy.