The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:32 pm**

I think I trust Golden and sig, because they're my teammates.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:34 pm**

I'd prefer to lynch Eloh between the two, I'm not as confident in Epi being bad as I am Eloh.

linki: MP, what would you say if I said I believed that entirely

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:34 pm**

I finally have time to respond this:

Quin wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Hey Quin

Sorry for saying I'd ignore you. I realized that's a jerk thing to do. No point in that.

Please link three posts from you/anyone else you want me to respond. No more than that. I will not respond everything people asked me in the entire game, don't bother.
I don't know what value I can get out of talking to you about things that have already happened, because my question to you in all cases would just be 'What was your thought process?'

But for the sake of it, talk about these behaviours as best you can (not quoting posts, I've got enough tabs open already):

1) You were a significant player in the Day 0/1 discussion about Snow Dog's not reading his role shtick. I think you took it too literally (though admittedly I'm projecting my own Monkey Island experience on you here), and your proposition to policy lynch/vig him was concerning. Golden made a point that I agreed with in that you were quick to assume that he wouldn't be scum-hunting even if he hadn't read his role. I also find it interesting that you didn't seem to be open to considering the possibility that he was joking, although that possibility had already been discussed.

2) I feel like you abandoned a discussion that we were having where you accused me of being non-committal to a sprityo lynch. I don't know where your thoughts are now, so I'm bringing it up again so you can provide them.

Ideally I'd just like to see you engage in discussions concerning yourself more. I just don't think you've been inquisitive enough for me to trust you. I feel strongly enough that you're not on sprityo's team, so maybe I'll back off for a phase and explore some other options.

1- I wanted to policy lynch SD for saying he didn't read his role and I'd do it again, in my view that's refusal to play the game and it puts you on the bottom of civ usefulness. I stopped caring after it was revealed to be just a joke, a possibility I didn't consider at first. I still suspected SD for a long time after that, though.

2- I made my point, you rebutted, we reached some kind of consensus (I think you refuted some accusation I made that was based on my lack of proper research) and I had nothing left to say. I didn't keep that in mind for a long time after that. Day 1 accusations are usually based on stuff I know will not last long as arguments, unless something new and more incriminating comes later.

As of where I'm standing (600 posts behind), I have no idea how to read you. There is a side of me that wants you dead, and another part that thinks you are playing too risky to be bad. Then again, it seems "too risky" is your fefault playing style, so I don't know what to believe anymore.

Well, on to some hardcore catching up. I'll try not to quote things this time.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:34 pm**

Quin wrote:I'd prefer to lynch Eloh between the two, I'm not as confident in Epi being bad as I am Eloh.

linki: MP, what would you say if I said I believed that entirely

I would say you're probably bad.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:35 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:I'd prefer to lynch Eloh between the two, I'm not as confident in Epi being bad as I am Eloh.

linki: MP, what would you say if I said I believed that entirely
I would say you're probably bad.

You need to say better things.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:35 pm**

Ok screw that, I'm skipping the rest of Day 4/Night 4. This is a game, not a job, and I won't lose sleep today because of it.

Starting on Day 5.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:36 pm**

Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:I'd prefer to lynch Eloh between the two, I'm not as confident in Epi being bad as I am Eloh.

linki: MP, what would you say if I said I believed that entirely
I would say you're probably bad.
You need to say better things.

Like what?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:37 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Ok screw that, I'm skipping the rest of Day 4/Night 4. This is a game, not a job, and I won't lose sleep today because of it.

Starting on Day 5.

What are your thoughts on Epi and Eloh?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:38 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:I'd prefer to lynch Eloh between the two, I'm not as confident in Epi being bad as I am Eloh.

linki: MP, what would you say if I said I believed that entirely
I would say you're probably bad.
You need to say better things.
Like what?

Know any limericks?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:42 pm**

Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:I'd prefer to lynch Eloh between the two, I'm not as confident in Epi being bad as I am Eloh.

linki: MP, what would you say if I said I believed that entirely
I would say you're probably bad.
You need to say better things.
Like what?
Know any limericks?

There once was a man from Brisbane...

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:43 pm**

But to seriously answer you MP, I've got sig nice and comfortable on my list as Ishmael. And I don't doubt that sig would be interested in recruiting difficult lynches like yourself (in this game anyway) and Golden.

linki:

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:45 pm**

Going out soon, so I've gotta go get ready. I'll be back soon.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:54 pm**

Dom wrote:I didn't have bad posts because I wasn't bad. Your framing of it that way is very... eye opening. I was not responsible for my lynch. You people were for not even bothering to wait to see me defend. It's sad and shitty civilian play by you all.

You continue to misinform people on the reasons I ssuspect quin. Why?

Everybody is responsible for their lynch in one way or another.

You spent a day attacking Glorf and then before you left you made a vote against the person with the most votes after Glorf. Your lynch was a result of basic vote analysis. It was textbook distancing followed by trying to save a teammate.

Sure, you were a civ so you couldn't have known. But from our perspective, you were uber-scum. And when you could have saved yourself by defending yourself, you didn't.

That doesn't mean I think you made a bad decision. You spent a day with your family. That's awesome. We should all spend more time with our families instead of playing mafia. But part of the responsibility for the lynch still lies on you. You made a choice, and reaped the consequences of it. The good ones and the bad ones.

You are not guilty, but you are still responsible.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:56 pm**

Quin wrote:But to seriously answer you MP, I've got sig nice and comfortable on my list as Ishmael. And I don't doubt that sig would be interested in recruiting difficult lynches like yourself (in this game anyway) and Golden.

linki:

Ishmael never recruited me so I want him dead, after Esme and her crew, but before Olaf and his gang.

@MP Why quin? I've been low key thinking he was scum, but never really pursued it.

@DDL What do you think of my MM case? @EPI same to you.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:06 pm**

Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I can vouch for Epi here. Food items, Calling someone Sir, and uh....oh yeah, having someone say "as a baddie". Epi can do better than that. Sorry to whoever is coming up with those curses. But those are pretty lame. I mean, I guess the Sir one was pretty clever, but other than that.

If Epi is bad, he is on the baddie team without the Sir, I would think. But then if he were on that team, he wouldn't have voted Glor/Sprit, I would think.

*sigh* - still not sure what to think of Epi. I will need to see more of him and his votes before I can understand him better.
Can you point out anything in here that you wouldn't say if you were on a baddie team with Epi?

That's 100% my problem with the whole post restriction discussion.

It's truly WIFOM pretending to be anything but.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:07 pm**

Eloh being super judgemental of Dom because he won't catch up is uncanny.

I don't think I've ever seen Eloh care about that.

Specially since I don't think I've ever seen Eloh be caught up in any game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:08 pm**

Sorry for the possible insult, Eloh. But I needed to point that out.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:20 pm**

Dom wrote:I never had a drumstick of info on Quin, if that's what you're trying to get at.

Dom wrote:THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THAT POST YA VEAL~!

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:20 pm**

Dom wrote:I also feel it is very unfair for me to talk about that past life. That is a turkey of another feather.

Wait wut

You have been doing that nonstop.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:25 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think I trust Golden and sig, because they're my teammates.

Woohoo, townies together.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:26 pm**

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If I get lynched, I hope Golden gets 95% of the votes tomorrow for his narrow-minded appraisal.
Why is my appraisal narrow-minded?
Because it is.
Well put.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:Oh, in the mean time, if you think I'm bad, as you've claimed since day one, why have you still never voted for me... why don't you just get a move on and put your money where your mouth is?
I think lots of people are bad. I can't lynch them all at once, now can I? I just posted something substantial about Eloh and I want to hear what she has to say. Voting you early without hearing the cases on other people and weighing the evidence that comes in is so...well, narrow-minded.
So I've been bad since day one, but others just keep getting in the way first. Yeah. Five days of suspecting me, but still never enough for a vote... despite saying things like this:

Epignosis wrote:You are evil. I am coming for you.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:I see no reason to hope I get lynched AFTER you die instead of before it, if you actually think I'm bad...
Just out of spite for your poor Day 5 performance.
This from the guy who said this about me:

Epignosis wrote:Some civilian you are if you are one.

Well here's something for you to add to how calculating I've been:

I no longer think you're bad. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I know your precise role.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:27 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm cool with voting Epi or Elo. I don't trust them one bit. I agree completely with Golden about Epi's play this game consistently having an "angle".

Go back to being busy. You haven't even read the thread.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:28 pm**

sig wrote:
Quin wrote:But to seriously answer you MP, I've got sig nice and comfortable on my list as Ishmael. And I don't doubt that sig would be interested in recruiting difficult lynches like yourself (in this game anyway) and Golden.

linki:
Ishmael never recruited me so I want him dead, after Esme and her crew, but before Olaf and his gang.

@MP Why quin? I've been low key thinking he was scum, but never really pursued it.

@DDL What do you think of my MM case? @EPI same to you.

I've explained my reasoning to place you in one of three indy roles (or a Violet-given vest). But the first thing you talked about after checking in was a discussion about how much of a threat Ishmael is and how important it is to kill him. I could pull all 5/6 posts, but they all seemed out of place. So I don't think Ishmael recruited you, I think you are Ishmael.

And this is the first I'm hearing of you suspecting me. Only two days ago you said you thought that my argument with DDL was civ/civ. What changed?

I think you just want me dead because I've outted you, sig. But I have no intention of lynching someone who can win with town, so you can drop it.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:28 pm**

Ps - DDL, I do now think you are town. There is still that tinfoil part of my brain... but mostly, you look good to me.

I might have already said that, but I forget.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:30 pm**

sig wrote:
@DDL What do you think of my MM case? @EPI same to you.

I don't quite follow it. I'll have to try reading it again.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:32 pm**

Ishmael should recruit me tbqh.

But if sig is Ishmael, I ain't on his team. At this point.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:35 pm**

Golden wrote:Ishmael should recruit me tbqh.

But if sig is Ishmael, I ain't on his team. At this point.

This post makes me think otherwise:

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Mr. Poe is on fire.
He made a good choice today I think! That takes care of that one.
I'd like your insight on my thoughts about sig, if you have time.
Just did so! I agree with your assessment that there is no reason to assume he isn't Indy, but if so he seems to be trying to help the town.

You were trying to set me at ease, weren't you Golden?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:36 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:But seriously, I just finished a Day 0 to Night 1 and only found posts that could be lie detected if Quin was partners with Snow or DDL and DFarady was feeling nice.

Stuff like "I think Snow's partner could be DDL."

Knowing Snow was not scum buddies with Quin, Quin can only be a LIE DETECTED scummer if DDL is his partner.

If DDL and Quin have been scum buddies this whole game, I will eat a walrus.

Someone kill me and then have me replace zebra/Sorsha on the off chance they are partnered with Quin plz.

Or maybe cult me if Quin is at the cult. Cults count as scum, right?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:38 pm**

Gotta go out. Don't let this cult thing dominate the discussion, okie?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:39 pm**

Quin, I have absolutely no reason to lie about being recruited by Ishmael. As you pointed out, no-one needs Ishmael's team dead - if anything, it would benefit me to imply I was on that team.

But I'm not. I don't tend to get recruited. No-one needs the guy who generally gets NKed in the first couple of days. Plus I still have a reputation (from baddie recruiting abilities), that you don't want to recruit me lest I stay loyal to the civs and sink your game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:40 pm**

Sorsha wrote:Here is my post from yesterday. Nothing has changed for me. It seems from what I have read today that others are seeing Epi as bad too. I'll likely vote for Eloh or Epi today.

Sorsha wrote:I feel like there's something up between Epi and Eloh, I commented on this last night too but I'll go through it again.

Epi called out Golden, Quin and Eloh as bad. Talked about wanting to lynch Eloh even. Then night happened. Quin and Golden aren't lynch options and so Epi backs off the Eloh suspicion today. Sorry I'm on my phone right now or I'd pull quotes for this.

But I think it's a weird situation.

I could vote for either Epi or Eloh and probably will.

Why should anything change for you? You haven't done anything here today.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:42 pm**

Golden wrote:I don't tend to get recruited.

I'm not surprised. You'd probably end up lynching the people you're supposed to win with.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:43 pm**

The posts. They won't end. Godanmit I wanna go watch Narcos.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:44 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:I don't tend to get recruited.
I'm not surprised. You'd probably end up lynching the people you're supposed to win with.

So you deleted the bit where I said what you said from my quote, and then said it again, just so you could have another snark at me?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:53 pm**

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:I don't tend to get recruited.
I'm not surprised. You'd probably end up lynching the people you're supposed to win with.
So you deleted the bit where I said what you said from my quote, and then said it again, just so you could have another snark at me?

Yep.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:55 pm**

I mean golly- that must be some serious angling going on there.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:56 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:I don't tend to get recruited.
I'm not surprised. You'd probably end up lynching the people you're supposed to win with.
So you deleted the bit where I said what you said from my quote, and then said it again, just so you could have another snark at me?
Yep.

Just so everyone knows, there is a big smile on my face right now. I love playing this game with epi, even when I want him lynched.

Just about to do a more full description of my case on epi, so people can judge it for what it is.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:00 pm**

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:I don't tend to get recruited.
I'm not surprised. You'd probably end up lynching the people you're supposed to win with.
So you deleted the bit where I said what you said from my quote, and then said it again, just so you could have another snark at me?
Yep.

Just so everyone knows, there is a big smile on my face right now. I love playing this game with epi, even when I want him lynched.

Just about to do a more full description of my case on epi, so people can judge it for what it is.

Right back at you (even though I don't want you lynched).

And I'll be here to remind everyone how you're as arrogant as you are delusional.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:02 pm**

Top suspects:
Epi (Golden is my spirit poster, obv buddies with Eloh, framing and reframing but he can't change what actually happened, distancing, gets rude/vague when losing arguments)

Eloh (obv buddies w/Epi, lots of nonsensical "Oh, me and Epi wouldn't do that if we are scum so therefore we aren't" and suspected by most the players I trust)

MM (Sig's case looks decent....but the follow up lynch is potentially me and I'm not teamed with the marmot. In fact, if MM is a Trouper, I can't be on his team, along with DDL and INH. Anyway, I feel an Epi/Eloh lynch tells us more and I suspect them more and their scum team would theoretically have more members left alive. If Epi and Eloh are dead tomorrow or one flips not mafia, I'm happy to string up MM next.)

Want more from Sorsha but she doesn't make the list yet.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:05 pm**

Hey, I could see a world in which Elo is bad and you are not. I could see a world in which you are bad and she is not. Saying 95% was 95% hyperbole.

I'm also seriously considering the possibility you are an indy. Something you said made me think...

But anyway, I'm setting out my case on you for now, and I think it's pretty good at showing what I mean by you being all angles and no thought.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:05 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Top suspects:
Epi (Golden is my spirit poster, obv buddies with Eloh, framing and reframing but he can't change what actually happened, distancing, gets rude/vague when losing arguments)

Eloh (obv buddies w/Epi, lots of nonsensical "Oh, me and Epi wouldn't do that if we are scum so therefore we aren't" and suspected by most the players I trust)

MM (Sig's case looks decent....but the follow up lynch is potentially me and I'm not teamed with the marmot. In fact, if MM is a Trouper, I can't be on his team, along with DDL and INH. Anyway, I feel an Epi/Eloh lynch tells us more and I suspect them more and their scum team would theoretically have more members left alive. If Epi and Eloh are dead tomorrow or one flips not mafia, I'm happy to string up MM next.)

Want more from Sorsha but she doesn't make the list yet.

I'm not on a team with my wife. We've been bad together before. We're better than this.

And I'm not losing any arguments.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:06 pm**

Golden wrote:Hey, I could see a world in which Elo is bad and you are not. I could see a world in which you are bad and she is not. Saying 95% was 95% hyperbole.

I'm also seriously considering the possibility you are an indy. Something you said made me think...

But anyway, I'm setting out my case on you for now, and I think it's pretty good at showing what I mean by you being all angles and no thought.

No thought.

God help us if people think I'm not putting any thought into this.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:07 pm**

Epignosis wrote:God help us if people think I'm not putting any thought into this.

A lot of effort, sure. But the apparent "thought" all seems very false to me.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:10 pm**

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:God help us if people think I'm not putting any thought into this.
A lot of effort, sure. But the apparent "thought" all seems very false to me.

If you are a civilian, you are wasting your evening gathering the masses in my direction.

And if I get lynched, and you see my role, I want you to look back over my posts and see how you didn't do any damn thinking.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:10 pm**

Damn it, Eloh hurry up with that laundry and bathing those kids!

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:17 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Top suspects:
Epi (Golden is my spirit poster, obv buddies with Eloh, framing and reframing but he can't change what actually happened, distancing, gets rude/vague when losing arguments)

Eloh (obv buddies w/Epi, lots of nonsensical "Oh, me and Epi wouldn't do that if we are scum so therefore we aren't" and suspected by most the players I trust)

MM (Sig's case looks decent....but the follow up lynch is potentially me and I'm not teamed with the marmot. In fact, if MM is a Trouper, I can't be on his team, along with DDL and INH. Anyway, I feel an Epi/Eloh lynch tells us more and I suspect them more and their scum team would theoretically have more members left alive. If Epi and Eloh are dead tomorrow or one flips not mafia, I'm happy to string up MM next.)

Want more from Sorsha but she doesn't make the list yet.
I'm not on a team with my wife. We've been bad together before. We're better than this.

And I'm not losing any arguments.

Tell me again about how Dom lie detected Quin.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:19 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Top suspects:
Epi (Golden is my spirit poster, obv buddies with Eloh, framing and reframing but he can't change what actually happened, distancing, gets rude/vague when losing arguments)

Eloh (obv buddies w/Epi, lots of nonsensical "Oh, me and Epi wouldn't do that if we are scum so therefore we aren't" and suspected by most the players I trust)

MM (Sig's case looks decent....but the follow up lynch is potentially me and I'm not teamed with the marmot. In fact, if MM is a Trouper, I can't be on his team, along with DDL and INH. Anyway, I feel an Epi/Eloh lynch tells us more and I suspect them more and their scum team would theoretically have more members left alive. If Epi and Eloh are dead tomorrow or one flips not mafia, I'm happy to string up MM next.)

Want more from Sorsha but she doesn't make the list yet.
I'm not on a team with my wife. We've been bad together before. We're better than this.

And I'm not losing any arguments.
Tell me again about how Dom lie detected Quin.

I'm not allowed to talk about that anymore.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:20 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:God help us if people think I'm not putting any thought into this.
A lot of effort, sure. But the apparent "thought" all seems very false to me.
If you are a civilian, you are wasting your evening gathering the masses in my direction.

And if I get lynched, and you see my role, I want you to look back over my posts and see how you didn't do any damn thinking.

See, here's the thing epi. You keep saying things like this, treating me as a civilian who will see the error of my ways later. But yet you claim you still see me as bad?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:23 pm**

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:God help us if people think I'm not putting any thought into this.
A lot of effort, sure. But the apparent "thought" all seems very false to me.
If you are a civilian, you are wasting your evening gathering the masses in my direction.

And if I get lynched, and you see my role, I want you to look back over my posts and see how you didn't do any damn thinking.
See, here's the thing epi. You keep saying things like this, treating me as a civilian who will see the error of my ways later. But yet you claim you still see me as bad?

Where did I say I still see you as bad? I said the opposite a little while ago. Did you miss it? Here.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:24 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Top suspects:
Epi (Golden is my spirit poster, obv buddies with Eloh, framing and reframing but he can't change what actually happened, distancing, gets rude/vague when losing arguments)

Eloh (obv buddies w/Epi, lots of nonsensical "Oh, me and Epi wouldn't do that if we are scum so therefore we aren't" and suspected by most the players I trust)

MM (Sig's case looks decent....but the follow up lynch is potentially me and I'm not teamed with the marmot. In fact, if MM is a Trouper, I can't be on his team, along with DDL and INH. Anyway, I feel an Epi/Eloh lynch tells us more and I suspect them more and their scum team would theoretically have more members left alive. If Epi and Eloh are dead tomorrow or one flips not mafia, I'm happy to string up MM next.)

Want more from Sorsha but she doesn't make the list yet.
I'm not on a team with my wife. We've been bad together before. We're better than this.

And I'm not losing any arguments.
Tell me again about how Dom lie detected Quin.
I'm not allowed to talk about that anymore.

I wonder how many times I could cover my wrongness by getting the mod to ban the topic of discussion in one game if I really tried.

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Re: A Mafia of Unfortunate Events [DAY 5]

Re: A Mafia of Unfortunate Events [DAY 5]

Re: A Mafia of Unfortunate Events [DAY 5]