The Syndicate

I suppose I can switch to Lavender even if my gut wants 1612 gone, hehe. 15 minutes.

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:45 pm The only thing that I don't get what Lavendar said and what he saw is how he viewed MP7 and Michelle as a team. That to me was strange but everything else for me was in boundaries indicating that he was town. I really wish he was here right now

I also really wish he were here.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:45 pmWell, even still 1612 is hard defending Lavender, so there would be various strategies employed.

Good cop/bad cop. If they assumed Lav was getting lynched today, and then have 1612 hard defending and Michelle hard distancing. I mean, this is a lot of assumptions, but I don't think it's out of the question at all

If emotion didn't exist, mafia would not be fun in my opinion haha

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:45 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:41 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:40 pm Sorry about if I am making the game unenjoyable for you guys, just trying my best to defend here. You're right, I'll try not to say those types of words in my future games here/mafia.gg in general

Not at all, you're fine. I understand the frustration regardless of alignment. Alison is allergic to emotion, hehe.

I'm not allergic to emotion. In an ideal world mafia would be played solely without emotion, but we do not live in an ideal world, and it is even more irrational to pretend emotion doesn't exist and to not use it to help you get better reads. I often use emotion to read people even if I don't have much myself. I am just saying that it is incorrect to express this particular kind of emotion regardless of alignment, and that it negatively affects town members.

No, see, I disagree with that so bolded/underlined sentiment vehemently, and in fact I couldn't disagree more, but that's what makes playing so much fun -- different perspectives.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:46 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:45 pmWell, even still 1612 is hard defending Lavender, so there would be various strategies employed.

Good cop/bad cop. If they assumed Lav was getting lynched today, and then have 1612 hard defending and Michelle hard distancing. I mean, this is a lot of assumptions, but I don't think it's out of the question at all

Absolutely.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:38 pm Imagine Lav/1612/Michelle, is that possible?

I don't think so. What wolf team comes into the game with 4 town flips, one of which was a modkill that was very bad for town, and two replacements, and goes "hm, I think we should start bussing each other"?

A lot of the players are not pushable. Tutu cleared you and herself, semi-cleared Urist. They can't push me without looking bad and lol I'd like to see them try. What else are they going to do?

Push jeraldo, push cobbler, shoot the towncore. Maybe push Urist to set him up for a fall in FX. It's what I'd do.

Whoever of you, MP and Alison moves your vote, ping me, and I'll do intent to hammer and boombyescum

Anyone can express any emotion they want, and they should, so long as they are trying to be respectful to their fellow players. 1612 has been a joy to play with, he seems like a good person regardless of his alignment.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:47 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:40 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:38 pm Imagine Lav/1612/Michelle, is that possible?

I don't think so. What wolf team comes into the game with 4 town flips, one of which was a modkill that was very bad for town, and two replacements, and goes "hm, I think we should start bussing each other"?

A lot of the players are not pushable. Tutu cleared you and herself, semi-cleared Urist. They can't push me without looking bad and lol I'd like to see them try. What else are they going to do?

Push jeraldo, push cobbler, shoot the towncore. Maybe push Urist to set him up for a fall in FX. It's what I'd do.

1612 is pushing Cobbler and jeraldo though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:48 pm Whoever of you, MP and Alison moves your vote, ping me, and I'll do intent to hammer and boombyescum

Got it.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:47 pmPush jeraldo, push cobbler, shoot the towncore. Maybe push Urist to set him up for a fall in FX. It's what I'd do.

Yeah, I guess that's what I'd do as well. But I'm me. =p I don't know, I was just considering it. We still have game to play and time to solve. We'll get a flip now, and hopefully it's red so we can work off of it

Yeah I get it Alison, I don't think gameplay where you have to town read people who guilt trip is good gameplay. I've seen it happen and it makes a poor ending for the game. Leaves a really bad taste not just for myself when I am mafia but for others who are town and tricked. But sometimes reading the emotion gets you some reads which is why I have such strong opinions on Lavender.

Regardless of what happens, efforts have been poured into this game, and I appreciate them. I think we've at least collectively tried to give ourselves a decent shot at maximizing win chances.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:48 pm Anyone can express any emotion they want, and they should, so long as they are trying to be respectful to their fellow players. 1612 has been a joy to play with, he seems like a good person regardless of his alignment.

I second this!

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:46 pm No, see, I disagree with that so bolded/underlined sentiment vehemently, and in fact I couldn't disagree more, but that's what makes playing so much fun -- different perspectives.

Maybe I should post that in the "most unpopular opinions about mafia" thread on MU. In any case, I acknowledge it's not how most people like to play and I don't seek to deny them their fun - which is why I don't try to excise the emotion from the game. I prefer to use it to my advantage instead. I am just pointing out that is the world in which I'd enjoy mafia the most.

Alison, I assume you won't budge so it'll almost certainly have to be me, yeah?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:51 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:46 pm No, see, I disagree with that so bolded/underlined sentiment vehemently, and in fact I couldn't disagree more, but that's what makes playing so much fun -- different perspectives.

Maybe I should post that in the "most unpopular opinions about mafia" thread on MU. In any case, I acknowledge it's not how most people like to play and I don't seek to deny them their fun - which is why I don't try to excise the emotion from the game. I prefer to use it to my advantage instead. I am just pointing out that is the world in which I'd enjoy mafia the most.

And that's okay! I find it fascinating.

Yeah, I like seeing different approaches to the game. The human differences is what makes mafia such a fascinating and living game to me.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:48 pm 1612 is pushing Cobbler and jeraldo though.

Hmm.

This is some pretty elaborate theater if it's 1612/Lavender/Michelle.

Despite my current level of confidence, I still think there's a decent enough chance 1612 and/or Lavender are town. Let's try to keep in mind that anything is possible and do our best to figure everything out. I think we've done a good job of that. Let's power through. I think we can still win no matter what!

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:52 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:48 pm 1612 is pushing Cobbler and jeraldo though.

Hmm.

This is some pretty elaborate theater if it's 1612/Lavender/Michelle.

What else could they do though? Theater would be a legitimate strategy to employ to maximize win odds.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:52 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:48 pm 1612 is pushing Cobbler and jeraldo though.

Hmm.

This is some pretty elaborate theater if it's 1612/Lavender/Michelle.

What else could they do though? Theater would be a legitimate strategy to employ to maximize win odds.

That's what makes POE so valuable if it's used in a context to crunch the wolf team with strong town play. Hopefully that's what we've done here.

I'm giving mp7 the benefit of the doubt today and voting 1612... if 1612 does flip town then a mp7/lav universe seems probable.
Like i know people are saying "omg she's so solvy" but the reality is that her reads and vote aren't actually changing so it could all easily be surface-level jibberjabber

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:51 pm Alison, I assume you won't budge so it'll almost certainly have to be me, yeah?

I won't budge. I don't move votes around close to EOD unless I have a very compelling reason, and I'm not seeing it.

Also obligatory 7pm is terrible for me post goes here

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:54 pm I'm giving mp7 the benefit of the doubt today and voting 1612... if 1612 does flip town then a mp7/lav universe seems probable.
Like i know people are saying "omg she's so solvy" but the reality is that her reads and vote aren't actually changing so it could all easily be surface-level jibberjabber

Excuse me? You know what though, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, hehe.

Dizzy can you just place your vote now jesus

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:54 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:51 pm Alison, I assume you won't budge so it'll almost certainly have to be me, yeah?

I won't budge. I don't move votes around close to EOD unless I have a very compelling reason, and I'm not seeing it.

Well, I would prefer 1612, but I suppose it's a moot point.

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]

[VOTE: LAVENDER] aubergine

But I wanted to hammer omg fine

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:54 pm I'm giving mp7 the benefit of the doubt today and voting 1612... if 1612 does flip town then a mp7/lav universe seems probable.
Like i know people are saying "omg she's so solvy" but the reality is that her reads and vote aren't actually changing so it could all easily be surface-level jibberjabber

Excuse me? You know what though, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, hehe.

I'm doing less than skimming the thread so take that opinion with a grain of salt tbh tbh

OOOHH

BOOMBYESCUM!

[VOTE: Lavender] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:56 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:54 pm I'm giving mp7 the benefit of the doubt today and voting 1612... if 1612 does flip town then a mp7/lav universe seems probable.
Like i know people are saying "omg she's so solvy" but the reality is that her reads and vote aren't actually changing so it could all easily be surface-level jibberjabber

Excuse me? You know what though, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, hehe.

I'm doing less than skimming the thread so take that opinion with a grain of salt tbh tbh

Totally fair!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:56 pm OOOHH

BOOMBYESCUM!

[VOTE: Lavender] aubergine

[mention]dunya[/mention]
[mention]juliets[/mention]

Lol, not a real real hammer considering it's 1 min before deadline hahah

But still =p

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention] , I really hope you don't think I am distancing Michelle but we will cross that bridge when we get there

History has a funny way of repeating itself...

Mufasa decided it was time to hunt rather than be hunted. He set off to Elephant Graveyard in search for Scar. "Scar!" shouted Mufasa, "I know you're here!" His voice echoed, followed by the sound of snickering hyenas. "It's over! Your time ends now!"

"Over?" Came the reply. "I'm the King and I'll be going nowhere!" Scar roared, jumping towards Mufasa from the shadows. They tumbled, Mufasa's anger visible as the light of day.

"Temper, temper," Scar murmured, his voice dangerously calm, as his hyenas all closed in on Mufasa, separating the lions from each other. "Why don't you stay here and watch the show, hmmmm, brother? Watch as I get rid of your family, one by one. The family you exiled me from!"

"No, little brother, please, don't. You're not a murderer!" Mufasa pleaded.

"And how can you be so sure that I'm not, Mufasa?" Scar gave him a lazy grin. "Your time as King is over, it's time for me to take back what was supposed to be mine all along..."

Scar turned his back and started to walk away while his hyenas all closed in on Mufasa, hungry as ever.

"I'd love to stay and chat some more, big brother, but I have a kingdom to rule..."

This filp probably implicates Michelle the most. I'll look at teams involving Michelle during this night phase, before I die. I think she's probably the best execute tomorrow.

Fuck

Sad picture

Uh. Hi, Carot. Welcome to hell if you're town and to whatever if you're scum

I'll come back to the game and try to be in a better mood with it, but this just really sucks. Probably not tonight. I need to do something else. It's just a game though.

If Lavender was town, I'd expect mafia to be pretty comfy during the EOD. So I think this looks good for 1612 actually - he doesn't even have to post during EOD, he could easily have rested on his laurels, come in the next day and collected his towncred for being right about Lavender the next day. The frantic posting from him doesn't look like mafia watching a town get hammered before their eyes. It could be self-pres, but even so, the frustration when it became clear we were going to execute Lavender looks good.

Players who this implicates: speed, ted, Urist. All of them had a laidback attitude throughout the previous day, although replacements might have affected this (it really was a bad time to have replacements, honestly).

Sigh. I'll be back later too. We still can win this, but also I need more emotional energy.

At least I was onto something that Lavender's actions made no sense if he was a wolf. Still aggravating though.

I wasn't considering enough.

We basically already know that Alison is dying, so we can treat this like an effective 48-hour F7 situation.

Let's operate on the assumption that Michelle is scum.

If my point about 1612's emotion during EoD is true, that would indicate that he is not her mafia buddy.

I think MP7 and Dizzy are scum, and the game is narrow enough that I don't have the space to pursue tinfoil reads. So I will simply have to bet the game on the fact that they are town. Therefore, the POE pool is reduced to [speedraldo, cobblertenoid, Urist].

Of these, I am most confident in speedraldo being scum. Their vote on 1612 looks fishy if we walk into it with the idea that 1612 is town and Michelle is scum - it could be a chainsaw defense there. Furthermore, leaving a vote on 1612 near EOD and disappearing from the thread after being explicitly told to consolidate is very bad. It looks like speedraldo didn't want to vote his scum buddy (at the time Michelle was a very possible execute) but also didn't want to get caught on the Lavender wagon.

That leaves cobblertenoid or Urist as the last possible member of the scum team.