The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:09 pm wait actually maybe martin killed alison to be like “look, now you have to sheep her read.” is that a thing?

it could be yeah. it could also be someone else hoping we think that lol i hate nka/wifom


on that note i don't know how to read into sloonei's antispew of his last scumteam "theory" post in the grasslands and how he put martin as the "maybe" but probably the answer is to just not read into it at all bc lol

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:11 pm im surprised people still think i’m clear after how hard i tried to save sloonei and get alison eliminated instead lol

because you are completely genuine, I can just tell you're uninformed and just saying what you really think and your reaction to the flip was organic

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:11 pm im surprised people still think i’m clear after how hard i tried to save sloonei and get alison eliminated instead lol

You're just not acting like your scum self. I did move you down a tier in clearness but I feel like your general attitude and posting style is way different than your scum game, and I don't think you'd respond to my suspicion on you in the same way if you were scum. It would be a little evil.

man i wish i trusted my initial read that sloonei was scummier than alison. weh

it’s probably just martin lololol

nut/spf/thunal/hally has reached full mindmeld voltron mode

i honestly don’t think its tutuu? and nook seems like his town self and also casted deciding votes for both mafia eliminations

idk gotta reread stuff but gth it’s... probably just martin because i think he is probably the only person who might think he’d benefit from killing alison? it seems like a martin thing to do idk

Yeah I'm inclined that way as well.

that made my entire day

a question that's immediately on my mind is this: do we think that the mafia would have tried to bus sloonei? is it more likely that they would have thrown shade or distance from sloonei at the end of the day instead of protecting him? my gut tells me yes

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:24 pm a question that's immediately on my mind is this: do we think that the mafia would have tried to bus sloonei? is it more likely that they would have thrown shade or distance from sloonei at the end of the day instead of protecting him? my gut tells me yes

I'm thinking distance rather than protect too, although they might have had to awkwardly switch positions on Sloonei at some point.

the verdict is in

Can I have the tree house link?

I’ve never been less happy about a scum death kek

Idk maybe it is just tutu but this game now has the feel of “game that nanook loses at f3.”

But my reads have been pretty good so far so idk maybe my reads are just good this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:42 pm I’ve never been less happy about a scum death kek

Idk maybe it is just tutu but this game now has the feel of “game that nanook loses at f3.”

But my reads have been pretty good so far so idk maybe my reads are just good this game.

wait what? why would you think you'd lose in f3? that could only happen if it's like spf or something

and assuming you'll be in f3 is a weird look man

why don't you think it's martin? I think it's just martin

ok tbh if there is an f3 nanook is probably in it so maybe take back that part but. assuming it gets there at all is.... idk

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:49 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:42 pm I’ve never been less happy about a scum death kek

Idk maybe it is just tutu but this game now has the feel of “game that nanook loses at f3.”

But my reads have been pretty good so far so idk maybe my reads are just good this game.

wait what? why would you think you'd lose in f3? that could only happen if it's like spf or something

and assuming you'll be in f3 is a weird look man

why don't you think it's martin? I think it's just martin

Why the fuck would I not be in an f3 ?? You think I’m more clear than anyone not named tutu ???

it's more that there would be an f3 at all


like why isn't it just martin and we end the game lol

I mean unless it’s just tutu I have a misclear somewhere

Cause my POE was alison/sloonei/tutu...alison being NKed points towards me potentially having a misclear somewhere

I don’t really believe martin is mafia so

ok but why not


you wouldnt even acknowledge he existed until i asked you twice


why is he so clear to you

I’ve had a townread on him since D1?

I also think alison is generally pretty accurate when she makes confident reads that she hard pushes so I’m loathe to kill someone she super defended through most of the game

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:09 pm wait actually maybe martin killed alison to be like “look, now you have to sheep her read.” is that a thing?

We still have got 2 ML's.

I don't mind being one of the eliminations today, especially since Alison's slot is already resolved and if it will assuage any paranoid concerns about me.

Not that I'm advocating that I'm the optimal elimination here, obviously. Only that I'm open to it if enough people disbelieve my theory.

I'm still sticking to my 3 suspects theory, which is now that the last scum is in Tutuu/Nook, and its prob Tutuu imo.

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

In fact I don't really see a reason in not-voting myself, no point in me being the doc save.

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

okay so I can be swayed to tutuu today

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:11 pm im surprised people still think i’m clear after how hard i tried to save sloonei and get alison eliminated instead lol

I don't think a scum Hally would do this in a single day phase:

-Strongly suggest Martin is mafia early on
-Fear the Sloonei is 100% town and that Martin's theory is wrong
-Push Alison over her being possible scum

And finally

-Night kill Alison

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:57 pm -Fear the Sloonei slot is 100% town and that Martin's theory is wrong

ebwop

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:34 pm Can I have the tree house link?

https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/2KApnxpVdQq

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:54 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:09 pm wait actually maybe martin killed alison to be like “look, now you have to sheep her read.” is that a thing?

We still have got 2 ML's.

I don't mind being one of the eliminations today, especially since Alison's slot is already resolved and if it will assuage any paranoid concerns about me.

Not that I'm advocating that I'm the optimal elimination here, obviously. Only that I'm open to it if enough people disbelieve my theory.

I'm still sticking to my 3 suspects theory, which is now that the last scum is in Tutuu/Nook, and its prob Tutuu imo.

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

In fact I don't really see a reason in not-voting myself, no point in me being the doc save.

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

that's a pretty quick vote - why is it tutuu over nook? why that specific poe? how confident do u feel?

I’m just clearing Hally/spf at this point, if one of them faked the mindmeld stuff then lolme. Would almost always look for deep scum in Martin/nutes/thun first

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:02 pm that's a pretty quick vote - why is it tutuu over nook? why that specific poe? how confident do u feel?

Well tbh the only thing separating the two is the vote on Long Con by Nook, which I immediately investigated early D3. I think it was a good-enough town indicator for Nook.

And that Tutuu decided to be sheep-y on D3, and her first reads list on D1 which proclaimed TRing everyone...and preety much her 3 scum were just "idk I tr them but one of them have to be scum" or something like that.

I mentioned these stuffs (and other things) a few times in the past.

And its not necessarily how confident I feel in my reads of them, but how confident I am in my theory or solve of where the last scum were.

My theory is already partially proven by Sloonei's red flip. Now its time to find the last scum in Nook/Tutuu (I think Tutuu).

thanks for treehouse link. I think I'm leaning a bit more toward martin town and tutuu scum at the moment but they're very close in my mind and I could go for either first

sloonei didn’t even put the titanic pic in the grasslands

i feel so betrayed

I'm thinking Martin is town for a possibly dumb reason, and that's that he thought he would get NKed. I know I've been caught into the "I've played so well all my reads are probably right so I'll totally die" mode as town even when it's unrealistic that I'll actually die even if my reads are right. My solid takes right now are that I have no solid takes, I need to do some Sloonei interaction analysis first.

nooks entrance this day is towny because if he was scum he would probably fake being happy about sloonei’s flip or be all self-congratulatory but instead he’s like “i hate this because now i feel like im gonna blow the game in f3.” that’s a towny fear

I'm a The Mark!

iirc martin also advocated for her own elimination in his scum game? [mention]MartinGG99[/mention] can you confirm?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 pm nooks entrance this day is towny because if he was scum he would probably fake being happy about sloonei’s flip or be all self-congratulatory but instead he’s like “i hate this because now i feel like im gonna blow the game in f3.” that’s a towny fear

I also don't think scum!nook would be bold enough at the start of D3 to say he's clear with such confidence.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 pm I'm thinking Martin is town for a possibly dumb reason, and that's that he thought he would get NKed. I know I've been caught into the "I've played so well all my reads are probably right so I'll totally die" mode as town even when it's unrealistic that I'll actually die even if my reads are right. My solid takes right now are that I have no solid takes, I need to do some Sloonei interaction analysis first.

I don't view that in particular as a plus because I see mafia say that all the time, and he was never a likely kill here as hally said so I find it hard to believe he really thought that and it's possible he just wanted you to have that very thought. But I kinda feel like his solving is just legit and he can be town anyway. But he's also done little things I've seen as scumtells so I just keep waffling back and forth

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:18 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 pm nooks entrance this day is towny because if he was scum he would probably fake being happy about sloonei’s flip or be all self-congratulatory but instead he’s like “i hate this because now i feel like im gonna blow the game in f3.” that’s a towny fear

I also don't think scum!nook would be bold enough at the start of D3 to say he's clear with such confidence.

oh, that he definitely would do lol

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 pm nooks entrance this day is towny because if he was scum he would probably fake being happy about sloonei’s flip or be all self-congratulatory but instead he’s like “i hate this because now i feel like im gonna blow the game in f3.” that’s a towny fear

that was my thought as well. I also think his treehouse posts look towny

yeah rn I think it's tutuu lol.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:21 pm growing up and changing urself is fun. i keep alternating beween scumread sux townread rox but now i have no townreads and wanna do a scummie

i wanna say i lightly scumread u sloonei boyo

(i was about to begin my next line with butter my biscuits but then i googled it and its actually something sexual WTF????? i have used it before in a completely innocent way, cuz that unit from starcraft 1 says it, the marine i think, wtf?)

ANYWAY.

SLOONEI.

do NOT butter my biscuits

but i wanna say i lightly scumread u cuz

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:54 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:32 pm can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

why do u tr nutella for that post?

She’s not letting her reads be influenced by the question. Her original statement re:sloonei was ambiguojs and she didn’t let it be construed as something that it wasn’t. That seems like a good strong nutella-town mindset.

i think this read is a stretch. nutella corrected my misunerstanding thats all. ur townreading her cuz ur assuming wolf!nutella would just go along with my misunderstanding? and she would now pretend she townreads sloonei when she originally didnt want to fake that, all cuz i misunderstood her? u wot mate?

i don’t think tutuu is mafia

why is that one post so clearing to you? that was super early before sloonei was a consensus sr sure but i feel like that's exactly the kind of early distancing read scum makes just so you'll find it later like this lol

or maybe i'm confbiasing but


i don't have the reaction you have to it *at all*

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 pm I know I've been caught into the "I've played so well all my reads are probably right so I'll totally die" mode as town even when it's unrealistic that I'll actually die even if my reads are right.

I never said I was going to 100% be the kill. Just probable.

Anyways I've had my reasons for discussing the NK's. If my theory was in any shape or form wrong (the three suspects) then any sort of NKA would be also wrong...because that theory assumes everyone outside of the three suspects is 100% town.

If my theory did apply, then well we have a free mischop outside of that theory to use to test it if we want as I've said. Presumably that may have meant an Alison mischop on D4 if I was shot. Then presumably everyone here would believe in my theory again because at that hypothetical point both me and Alison would've flipped green.

And if my theory didn't apply (because its wrong), then the NKA has little to no relevance what-so-ever.

I don't believe I have a great way to word it.... but basically I saw very little to no harm in discussing my theory. And if I was dying that night, then it would be best to emphasize that theory as my legacy read because I felt very confident in it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:00 pm @Alison's body was found in the grass below the tree house. At least parts of it.

She was a seeker (town).

gonna do some interaction analysis but my initial reaction is that im probably never going to vote nutella/hally in this game and im fine with giving them the win if they finessed me so badly

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:19 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:17 pm I'm thinking Martin is town for a possibly dumb reason, and that's that he thought he would get NKed. I know I've been caught into the "I've played so well all my reads are probably right so I'll totally die" mode as town even when it's unrealistic that I'll actually die even if my reads are right. My solid takes right now are that I have no solid takes, I need to do some Sloonei interaction analysis first.

I don't view that in particular as a plus because I see mafia say that all the time, and he was never a likely kill here as hally said so I find it hard to believe he really thought that and it's possible he just wanted you to have that very thought. But I kinda feel like his solving is just legit and he can be town anyway. But he's also done little things I've seen as scumtells so I just keep waffling back and forth

What do you see as scumtells from him? Also, why is Tutuu suspicious? I feel like people are suspecting Tutuu just because she hasn't cleared herself but I feel like we need to think more than that.

i also dont think that "im worried im going to be voted at the end of the game" is an angle that maf would be taking coming into today - this is literally the perfect time for maf to get their fake towncred and act ~~excited~~, and nanook being self-conscious and worried about the game state feels like it's coming from a sincere place

i know hally already said something similar, but that stood out to me

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:18 pm iirc martin also advocated for her own elimination in his scum game? @MartinGG99 can you confirm?

Its funny that I got reffered to as a "her", lol.
(It's not a big deal! Doesn't really matter to me)

I definitely did on my Newbies Paradise (#3 I think?) game on MU, before the mod-bot error. I was trying to force a clear of me because my scum-buddy might be eliminated soon and it was looking like a policy elimination of me in the F3.

i think the only thing that concerns me about martin's entrance is that he feels a little rushed? i dont know. i understand how he could formulate the POE he has as town, but i also feel like he has the sense that he "needs" to assert his reads in the thread immediately without really showing the same consideration/paranoia that a lot of us are showing. i dunno. i'll think about it