Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[MacDougall]

Fetch, shock, tap blood crypt for Thoughtseize.

Bolas revealed scum.

Jack revealed scum.

Hk town.

LC town.

Falcon town.

Guillotine for some reason mulled to 0 so no data.

This already is more reads than I expected from Wilgy, and I don't like the departure from his typical behavior.

Esooa town Wilgy mafia imo

[MacDougall]

I am quite confident Wilgy is a hit reviewing his ISO over and over. He seems to be antispewing from post 1 tho.

[Epignosis]

I am quite confident Wilgy is a hit reviewing his ISO over and over. He seems to be antispewing from post 1 tho.

Great. Keep your vote on someone you trust. You selected Falcon, I see.

Why is Falcon the civilian's best asset that hasn't been voted for yet?

[Urist]

What we need is a list of trustworthy individuals. People who under no circumstances should be killed today.

If you nominate someone, you need to be able to show why you believe that person is a civilian.

Than all that's required is we coordinate votes accordingly and make mafia shoot among the elimination pool.

I think the optimal play is to leave just one person with 0 votes (and to have that person not covering anyone else), so we should try to do that, if possible. That way, if the mafia want to tie the vote to save the person at 0, they have to out one of their own.

[Epignosis]

What we need is a list of trustworthy individuals. People who under no circumstances should be killed today.

If you nominate someone, you need to be able to show why you believe that person is a civilian.

Than all that's required is we coordinate votes accordingly and make mafia shoot among the elimination pool.

I think the optimal play is to leave just one person with 0 votes (and to have that person not covering anyone else), so we should try to do that, if possible. That way, if the mafia want to tie the vote to save the person at 0, they have to out one of their own.

That's hard to organize. I get it at face value, but I'd rather play it a little differently.

[MacDougall]

I am quite confident Wilgy is a hit reviewing his ISO over and over. He seems to be antispewing from post 1 tho.

Great. Keep your vote on someone you trust. You selected Falcon, I see.

Why is Falcon the civilian's best asset that hasn't been voted for yet?

The day is long sir.

[MacDougall]

I kinda think Urist is mafia with TMI.

[Epignosis]

@Long Con

You are voting to save dunya. Why?

(I'm skipping people voting for me, but I would ask @Justplayingitcool to vote elsewhere).

@MacDougall

You are voting to save Falcon. Why?

@hollowkatt

You are voting to save JackofHearts2005. Why?

@Urist

You are voting to save MacDougall. Why?

[Urist]

I kinda think Urist is mafia with TMI.

Our reads are almost exactly the same.

@Urist

You are voting to save MacDougall. Why?

See above.

[hollowkatt]

@Long Con

You are voting to save dunya. Why?

(I'm skipping people voting for me, but I would ask @Justplayingitcool to vote elsewhere).

@MacDougall

You are voting to save Falcon. Why?

@hollowkatt

You are voting to save JackofHearts2005. Why?

@Urist

You are voting to save MacDougall. Why?

Either Jack put me deep in his pocket yesterday or we were melding really well on how we were seeing the game. I don't think he was making posts designed to pocket me, but he was making posts that I thought were really good things to say.
I'm comfortable calling Jack town.

[MacDougall]

I kinda think Urist is mafia with TMI.

Our reads are almost exactly the same.

@Urist

You are voting to save MacDougall. Why?

See above.

Thats not really true tho.

[MacDougall]

Wilgy is just overtly mafia tho.

How? PoE?

For instance this is our most recent discussion and our read is clearly not the same.

[MacDougall]

ted is a miss too

A read we disagreed on. Possible TMI.

[MacDougall]

jpic seems like a miss.

A read we somewhat agree on. Plausibly TMI or teammates.

[MacDougall]

ted is a miss too

I agree with both your takes.

I want to kill LC.

i think LC is town, i liked his interactions with me early d1, and the fact that he didn't bite at the easy ted vote at that point

Another read we disagree on that looks like TMI.

[Urist]

ted is a miss too

I agree with both your takes.

I want to kill LC.

you literally agreed with me mac.

[Epignosis]

Oh sorry falcon I forgot to remove that, didn't explicitly need a response from you.

I'm not going to suggest a shot outright, but I think you'd have an idea of whom I'd shoot if given the chance.

Btw, I do think that Jack is town this game. I think he's another easy vote that will result in another town flip, just like Made.

@falcon45ca which of your scumreads do you think would be the most difficult to execute today?

Epi.


How does the 6 mana swap w/ Guillo sit with you? I asked Epi, he could give no reason as to why he gave that much mana to Guillo. I see it as possible w/w interaction to try and establish a mutual town clear.

Define “swap” because that word implies things i dont like.

How do you our interaction as w/w?

Swap is the wrong word, from what you and he said it was one way, not a swap. My bad.


I see it as possible that 2 wolves would set up the mana gifting charade as a way to show the town "See? We're town, I received mana from unknown source, he's claiming to be the mana donor!"


I asked Epi if there was something that led him to believe that you needed mana for your artifact, he said no. Why does he give you the mana, what do you think he did that for?

Guillo commented that Epi's earlier treatment of him felt like buddying, maybe this was reinforcement of that? Or maybe he's Epi's only town read.

This is demonstrably false.

People I won't be voting for today:

dunya
Guillotine
Marmot
Kylemii

[MacDougall]

Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.

And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.

[MacDougall]

ted is a miss too

I agree with both your takes.

I want to kill LC.

you literally agreed with me mac.

Me agreeing that Ted and JPIC seem like misses is not an argument against you having TMI. I know that I don't.

As you've quoted here I didn't want to kill Epi. I wanted to kill LC. But nobody wanted to go there.

You are making a lot of overtly accurate reads but I have very little idea how you've arrived at them. And I've played with you before. Town Urist is more likely to be wrong than right.

[MacDougall]

Lets not overlook the fact that I just waged war on the one player who was shielding me when considering reasons to read me.

[112]

Sorry for not posting. It was a bad day.

[Urist]

Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.

And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.

Mhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.

[112]

Who needs mana and is bold enough to ask me to give them mine?

[MacDougall]

Who needs mana and is bold enough to ask me to give them mine?

Got red?

[Epignosis]

Im gonna let Dunya catch up. Notice scum do similar shit, they react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state.
Once she finishes up all those little posts im gonna multiquote them and reply.

"They react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state."

No my friend, that's called having a job, spouse, kids, and other responsibilities.

Being busy isn't a tell.

[Epignosis]

I mean look at me right now. I'm confirmed civilian and I'm catching up in the thread hoping to create chaos.

[Epignosis]

actually, i'm a hedgy bitch

[VOTE: justplayingitcool] aubergine

now that GoC is over (and everyone else is spoiled too) and i can talk about it, this is not town goc JPIC at all. @Justplayingitcool can u link me to a scum game in your past pls

I agree with this.

Epi and Guillo are both outed mafia I guess.

My guess is you need to be put out of your misery.

Stop signing up for shit you can't keep up with.

LOL i love u

Stop it before they say I'm buddying you.

[MacDougall]

Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.

And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.

Mhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.

So your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?

Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.

[112]

Who needs mana and is bold enough to ask me to give them mine?

Got red?

No.

[112]

I have colourless.

[112]

Jack/Jpic thunderdome???

[Epignosis]

Jack/Jpic thunderdome???

Pick someone you trust and tell me why. Vote that person.

[hollowkatt]

So I'm reading through Dunyas ISO and her D0 questions and comments are like nothing I'd expect to see from a wolf, even one that doesn't know the first thing about MTG, and they're questions that I don't even think get asked looking for town cred for being derpy about the setup.

I kinda wanna just lock her town and move on with my day.
Thoughts?

[Epignosis]

So I'm reading through Dunyas ISO and her D0 questions and comments are like nothing I'd expect to see from a wolf, even one that doesn't know the first thing about MTG, and they're questions that I don't even think get asked looking for town cred for being derpy about the setup.

I kinda wanna just lock her town and move on with my day.
Thoughts?

I have minor concerns. Not a Day 3 lynch.

[hollowkatt]

So I'm reading through Dunyas ISO and her D0 questions and comments are like nothing I'd expect to see from a wolf, even one that doesn't know the first thing about MTG, and they're questions that I don't even think get asked looking for town cred for being derpy about the setup.

I kinda wanna just lock her town and move on with my day.
Thoughts?

I have minor concerns. Not a Day 3 lynch.

That's fair. I'm still reading.

[Urist]

ted is a miss too

I agree with both your takes.

I want to kill LC.

you literally agreed with me mac.

Me agreeing that Ted and JPIC seem like misses is not an argument against you having TMI. I know that I don't.

As you've quoted here I didn't want to kill Epi. I wanted to kill LC. But nobody wanted to go there.

You are making a lot of overtly accurate reads but I have very little idea how you've arrived at them. And I've played with you before. Town Urist is more likely to be wrong than right.

ted was clearly town near the end of the day due not only to the terrible pushes on him (like hk, who is probably just mafia), but also his willingness to get back into the game eventually instead of just slanking / defending himself. His interaction with dunya where he reversed his read after a misunderstanding was also very town.

Also, you definitely have pointed out that I was wrong on my top scumread yesterday (Epi). I was also wrong on my second-top scumread (Marmot). I don't see how you would think your last point is applicable at all. Not to toot my own horn or anything but I've been correct basically once this game, on ted.

[Urist]

Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.

And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.

Mhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.

So your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?

Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

[MacDougall]

ted is a miss too

I agree with both your takes.

I want to kill LC.

you literally agreed with me mac.

Me agreeing that Ted and JPIC seem like misses is not an argument against you having TMI. I know that I don't.

As you've quoted here I didn't want to kill Epi. I wanted to kill LC. But nobody wanted to go there.

You are making a lot of overtly accurate reads but I have very little idea how you've arrived at them. And I've played with you before. Town Urist is more likely to be wrong than right.

ted was clearly town near the end of the day due not only to the terrible pushes on him (like hk, who is probably just mafia), but also his willingness to get back into the game eventually instead of just slanking / defending himself. His interaction with dunya where he reversed his read after a misunderstanding was also very town.

Also, you definitely have pointed out that I was wrong on my top scumread yesterday (Epi). I was also wrong on my second-top scumread (Marmot). I don't see how you would think your last point is applicable at all. Not to toot my own horn or anything but I've been correct basically once this game, on ted.

Youre correct on me and have unusual town reads on JPIC and LC.

Just because you've pushed some town doesn't mean other townreads don't have TMI to them. It doesn't work that way. You still have to kill town when ur mafia.

[MacDougall]

Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.

And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.

Mhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.

So your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?

Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

I would say my comment is the entire opposite of obtuse.

[Urist]

Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.

And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.

Mhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.

So your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?

Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

I would say my comment is the entire opposite of obtuse.

I disagree, it's not acute comment at all.

[Urist]

ted is a miss too

I agree with both your takes.

I want to kill LC.

you literally agreed with me mac.

Me agreeing that Ted and JPIC seem like misses is not an argument against you having TMI. I know that I don't.

As you've quoted here I didn't want to kill Epi. I wanted to kill LC. But nobody wanted to go there.

You are making a lot of overtly accurate reads but I have very little idea how you've arrived at them. And I've played with you before. Town Urist is more likely to be wrong than right.

ted was clearly town near the end of the day due not only to the terrible pushes on him (like hk, who is probably just mafia), but also his willingness to get back into the game eventually instead of just slanking / defending himself. His interaction with dunya where he reversed his read after a misunderstanding was also very town.

Also, you definitely have pointed out that I was wrong on my top scumread yesterday (Epi). I was also wrong on my second-top scumread (Marmot). I don't see how you would think your last point is applicable at all. Not to toot my own horn or anything but I've been correct basically once this game, on ted.

Youre correct on me and have unusual town reads on JPIC and LC.

Just because you've pushed some town doesn't mean other townreads don't have TMI to them. It doesn't work that way. You still have to kill town when ur mafia.

If you're going to call me bad and wrong all the time, the more natural conclusion is probably to say that JPIC and LC are scum rather than to call me scum when you allegedly don't know their alignments.

Like I really don't understand this TMI angle you're going for when you supposedly think I'm wrong on LC. That's the opposite of TMI.

[Urist]

Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.

And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.

Mhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.

So your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?

Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

I would say my comment is the entire opposite of obtuse.

If you want a serious response to this, I'm going to need you to clarify your original point because I don't know what you're getting at aside from you accusing me of allowing you to take the blame for the Epi wagon, which is not true at all.

[MacDougall]

Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?

Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.

[MacDougall]

Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.

And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.

Mhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.

So your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?

Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

I would say my comment is the entire opposite of obtuse.

If you want a serious response to this, I'm going to need you to clarify your original point because I don't know what you're getting at aside from you accusing me of allowing you to take the blame for the Epi wagon, which is not true at all.

I feel like you're just talking in circles. I've made my statement. I am not intending to convince you of the fact you have TMI. I am stating my suspicion of it generally. You have chosen to oppose me in a way that has moved me marginally more towards being right than wrong by virtue of choosing to use strawman counterpoints.

My original point is that I think you might be scum and some of your more questionable town reads exhibit hallmarks of TMI.

That I have agreed with some of your reads doesn't mean you don't have TMI. You refuting my point by saying "but we have the same reads" (which is quite an exaggeration fmpov) in no way is an argument against you having TMI.

[Urist]

Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?

Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.

Well my reads this game have probably been ~rand or below rand but apparently even that is too good for poor incapable town Urist. (NB not actually offended by you calling me inaccurate, just pointing out how absurd it is that you're saying I have TMI).

Why wouldn't you just ask me to explain my LC read in more depth / detail though, instead of outright accusing me?

[MacDougall]

At this point our dialogue is not productive unless you can somehow show me how your reads on me, LC and Ted were developed and based on alignment indicative things. Otherwise they just look to me like TMI and will remain so until time immemorial.

[Epignosis]

@Jackofhearts2005 been largely MIA today, where you at boi

Going for the classic LHF I see

[MacDougall]

Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?

Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.

Well my reads this game have probably been ~rand or below rand but apparently even that is too good for poor incapable town Urist. (NB not actually offended by you calling me inaccurate, just pointing out how absurd it is that you're saying I have TMI).

Why wouldn't you just ask me to explain my LC read in more depth / detail though, instead of outright accusing me?

Why wouldn't you just do that?

[MacDougall]

Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?

Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.

Well my reads this game have probably been ~rand or below rand but apparently even that is too good for poor incapable town Urist. (NB not actually offended by you calling me inaccurate, just pointing out how absurd it is that you're saying I have TMI).

Why wouldn't you just ask me to explain my LC read in more depth / detail though, instead of outright accusing me?

Why wouldn't you just do that?

See this isn't good Urist. I have said you have possible TMI in four specific instances and you are now using emotive words like "absurd" to refute it based on some of your other pushes being proven to be town.

As mafia your objective isn't just to be right and pocket town, sometimes you must also kill town.

Yesterday we killed town that you were defending. Okay that alone isn't much. I defended him too a little but my read on him was never town it was a conflicted null read. Your confidence feels misplaced. That you chose to have equal confidence in pushing Epi doesn't make the other read more reasonable. I don't actually know whether you had any reason to be scum reading Epi actually. Your favoured attempts to garner support was to highlight the "purity" of the wagon. Which, again, is plausible TMI on several people. You played yesterday's EOD with confidence I did not share.

[Urist]

Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?

Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.

Well my reads this game have probably been ~rand or below rand but apparently even that is too good for poor incapable town Urist. (NB not actually offended by you calling me inaccurate, just pointing out how absurd it is that you're saying I have TMI).

Why wouldn't you just ask me to explain my LC read in more depth / detail though, instead of outright accusing me?

Why wouldn't you just do that?

I'm doing it now. But I'm posing the question because you had townread me up until that point and it doesn't feel townie for you to reverse your read rather than ask for elabouration.