Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Esooa town Wilgy mafia imoNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:48 pmThis already is more reads than I expected from Wilgy, and I don't like the departure from his typical behavior.
Great. Keep your vote on someone you trust. You selected Falcon, I see.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:29 pm I am quite confident Wilgy is a hit reviewing his ISO over and over. He seems to be antispewing from post 1 tho.
I think the optimal play is to leave just one person with 0 votes (and to have that person not covering anyone else), so we should try to do that, if possible. That way, if the mafia want to tie the vote to save the person at 0, they have to out one of their own.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:23 pm What we need is a list of trustworthy individuals. People who under no circumstances should be killed today.
If you nominate someone, you need to be able to show why you believe that person is a civilian.
Than all that's required is we coordinate votes accordingly and make mafia shoot among the elimination pool.
That's hard to organize. I get it at face value, but I'd rather play it a little differently.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:31 pmI think the optimal play is to leave just one person with 0 votes (and to have that person not covering anyone else), so we should try to do that, if possible. That way, if the mafia want to tie the vote to save the person at 0, they have to out one of their own.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:23 pm What we need is a list of trustworthy individuals. People who under no circumstances should be killed today.
If you nominate someone, you need to be able to show why you believe that person is a civilian.
Than all that's required is we coordinate votes accordingly and make mafia shoot among the elimination pool.
The day is long sir.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:31 pmGreat. Keep your vote on someone you trust. You selected Falcon, I see.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:29 pm I am quite confident Wilgy is a hit reviewing his ISO over and over. He seems to be antispewing from post 1 tho.
Why is Falcon the civilian's best asset that hasn't been voted for yet?
Our reads are almost exactly the same.
See above.
Either Jack put me deep in his pocket yesterday or we were melding really well on how we were seeing the game. I don't think he was making posts designed to pocket me, but he was making posts that I thought were really good things to say.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:34 pm @Long Con
You are voting to save dunya. Why?
(I'm skipping people voting for me, but I would ask @Justplayingitcool to vote elsewhere).
@MacDougall
You are voting to save Falcon. Why?
@hollowkatt
You are voting to save JackofHearts2005. Why?
@Urist
You are voting to save MacDougall. Why?
Another read we disagree on that looks like TMI.Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:53 pmi think LC is town, i liked his interactions with me early d1, and the fact that he didn't bite at the easy ted vote at that point
you literally agreed with me mac.
This is demonstrably false.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:56 amGuillo commented that Epi's earlier treatment of him felt like buddying, maybe this was reinforcement of that? Or maybe he's Epi's only town read.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:51 amSwap is the wrong word, from what you and he said it was one way, not a swap. My bad.Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:41 amDefine “swap” because that word implies things i dont like.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:33 amEpi.Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:47 am Oh sorry falcon I forgot to remove that, didn't explicitly need a response from you.
I'm not going to suggest a shot outright, but I think you'd have an idea of whom I'd shoot if given the chance.
Btw, I do think that Jack is town this game. I think he's another easy vote that will result in another town flip, just like Made.
@falcon45ca which of your scumreads do you think would be the most difficult to execute today?
How does the 6 mana swap w/ Guillo sit with you? I asked Epi, he could give no reason as to why he gave that much mana to Guillo. I see it as possible w/w interaction to try and establish a mutual town clear.
How do you our interaction as w/w?
I see it as possible that 2 wolves would set up the mana gifting charade as a way to show the town "See? We're town, I received mana from unknown source, he's claiming to be the mana donor!"
I asked Epi if there was something that led him to believe that you needed mana for your artifact, he said no. Why does he give you the mana, what do you think he did that for?
Me agreeing that Ted and JPIC seem like misses is not an argument against you having TMI. I know that I don't.
Mhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.
And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.
"They react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state."Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:05 pm Im gonna let Dunya catch up. Notice scum do similar shit, they react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state.
Once she finishes up all those little posts im gonna multiquote them and reply.
I agree with this.
Stop it before they say I'm buddying you.
So your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:46 pmMhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.
And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.
No.
I have minor concerns. Not a Day 3 lynch.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:00 pm So I'm reading through Dunyas ISO and her D0 questions and comments are like nothing I'd expect to see from a wolf, even one that doesn't know the first thing about MTG, and they're questions that I don't even think get asked looking for town cred for being derpy about the setup.
I kinda wanna just lock her town and move on with my day.
Thoughts?
That's fair. I'm still reading.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:02 pmI have minor concerns. Not a Day 3 lynch.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:00 pm So I'm reading through Dunyas ISO and her D0 questions and comments are like nothing I'd expect to see from a wolf, even one that doesn't know the first thing about MTG, and they're questions that I don't even think get asked looking for town cred for being derpy about the setup.
I kinda wanna just lock her town and move on with my day.
Thoughts?
ted was clearly town near the end of the day due not only to the terrible pushes on him (like hk, who is probably just mafia), but also his willingness to get back into the game eventually instead of just slanking / defending himself. His interaction with dunya where he reversed his read after a misunderstanding was also very town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:43 pmMe agreeing that Ted and JPIC seem like misses is not an argument against you having TMI. I know that I don't.
As you've quoted here I didn't want to kill Epi. I wanted to kill LC. But nobody wanted to go there.
You are making a lot of overtly accurate reads but I have very little idea how you've arrived at them. And I've played with you before. Town Urist is more likely to be wrong than right.
Are you deliberately being obtuse?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:54 pmSo your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:46 pmMhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.
And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.
Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.
Youre correct on me and have unusual town reads on JPIC and LC.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:06 pmted was clearly town near the end of the day due not only to the terrible pushes on him (like hk, who is probably just mafia), but also his willingness to get back into the game eventually instead of just slanking / defending himself. His interaction with dunya where he reversed his read after a misunderstanding was also very town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:43 pmMe agreeing that Ted and JPIC seem like misses is not an argument against you having TMI. I know that I don't.
As you've quoted here I didn't want to kill Epi. I wanted to kill LC. But nobody wanted to go there.
You are making a lot of overtly accurate reads but I have very little idea how you've arrived at them. And I've played with you before. Town Urist is more likely to be wrong than right.
Also, you definitely have pointed out that I was wrong on my top scumread yesterday (Epi). I was also wrong on my second-top scumread (Marmot). I don't see how you would think your last point is applicable at all. Not to toot my own horn or anything but I've been correct basically once this game, on ted.
I would say my comment is the entire opposite of obtuse.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:09 pmAre you deliberately being obtuse?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:54 pmSo your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:46 pmMhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.
And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.
Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.
I disagree, it's not acute comment at all.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:10 pmI would say my comment is the entire opposite of obtuse.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:09 pmAre you deliberately being obtuse?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:54 pmSo your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:46 pmMhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.
And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.
Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.
If you're going to call me bad and wrong all the time, the more natural conclusion is probably to say that JPIC and LC are scum rather than to call me scum when you allegedly don't know their alignments.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:09 pmYoure correct on me and have unusual town reads on JPIC and LC.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:06 pmted was clearly town near the end of the day due not only to the terrible pushes on him (like hk, who is probably just mafia), but also his willingness to get back into the game eventually instead of just slanking / defending himself. His interaction with dunya where he reversed his read after a misunderstanding was also very town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:43 pmMe agreeing that Ted and JPIC seem like misses is not an argument against you having TMI. I know that I don't.
As you've quoted here I didn't want to kill Epi. I wanted to kill LC. But nobody wanted to go there.
You are making a lot of overtly accurate reads but I have very little idea how you've arrived at them. And I've played with you before. Town Urist is more likely to be wrong than right.
Also, you definitely have pointed out that I was wrong on my top scumread yesterday (Epi). I was also wrong on my second-top scumread (Marmot). I don't see how you would think your last point is applicable at all. Not to toot my own horn or anything but I've been correct basically once this game, on ted.
Just because you've pushed some town doesn't mean other townreads don't have TMI to them. It doesn't work that way. You still have to kill town when ur mafia.
If you want a serious response to this, I'm going to need you to clarify your original point because I don't know what you're getting at aside from you accusing me of allowing you to take the blame for the Epi wagon, which is not true at all.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:10 pmI would say my comment is the entire opposite of obtuse.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:09 pmAre you deliberately being obtuse?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:54 pmSo your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:46 pmMhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.
And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.
Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.
I feel like you're just talking in circles. I've made my statement. I am not intending to convince you of the fact you have TMI. I am stating my suspicion of it generally. You have chosen to oppose me in a way that has moved me marginally more towards being right than wrong by virtue of choosing to use strawman counterpoints.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:19 pmIf you want a serious response to this, I'm going to need you to clarify your original point because I don't know what you're getting at aside from you accusing me of allowing you to take the blame for the Epi wagon, which is not true at all.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:10 pmI would say my comment is the entire opposite of obtuse.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:09 pmAre you deliberately being obtuse?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:54 pmSo your argument for why I'm wrong about your reads being TMI is that I have agreed with some of them?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:46 pmMhm and the first thing I did when I saw that Epi was confirmed was defend the people who voted for him (including yourself) because I still think that the wagon was mostly pure. The only person out of { Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall } that I scumread at this point is falcon. And yes, I realize that we disagree on that point as well, but on the whole our reads have been mostly the same.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm Your big push of day 2 is also now confirmed town. Yet I am the one on the receiving end of the blame for it even though I was heavily coerced by you telling me how pure the wagon was.
And given my relative standing in the game your read on me also is possible TMI.
Thats not an argument. Its a nothing.
Well my reads this game have probably been ~rand or below rand but apparently even that is too good for poor incapable town Urist. (NB not actually offended by you calling me inaccurate, just pointing out how absurd it is that you're saying I have TMI).MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:19 pm Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?
Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.
Why wouldn't you just do that?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:24 pmWell my reads this game have probably been ~rand or below rand but apparently even that is too good for poor incapable town Urist. (NB not actually offended by you calling me inaccurate, just pointing out how absurd it is that you're saying I have TMI).MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:19 pm Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?
Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.
Why wouldn't you just ask me to explain my LC read in more depth / detail though, instead of outright accusing me?
See this isn't good Urist. I have said you have possible TMI in four specific instances and you are now using emotive words like "absurd" to refute it based on some of your other pushes being proven to be town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:25 pmWhy wouldn't you just do that?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:24 pmWell my reads this game have probably been ~rand or below rand but apparently even that is too good for poor incapable town Urist. (NB not actually offended by you calling me inaccurate, just pointing out how absurd it is that you're saying I have TMI).MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:19 pm Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?
Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.
Why wouldn't you just ask me to explain my LC read in more depth / detail though, instead of outright accusing me?
I'm doing it now. But I'm posing the question because you had townread me up until that point and it doesn't feel townie for you to reverse your read rather than ask for elabouration.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:25 pmWhy wouldn't you just do that?Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:24 pmWell my reads this game have probably been ~rand or below rand but apparently even that is too good for poor incapable town Urist. (NB not actually offended by you calling me inaccurate, just pointing out how absurd it is that you're saying I have TMI).MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:19 pm Do I call you bad and wrong all the time?
Ok so I have a developing read. As of last significant update I had a personal scumread on LC but your townread on him looks like possible TMI. If I agreed with it I'd be more inclined to not consider it TMI.
Why wouldn't you just ask me to explain my LC read in more depth / detail though, instead of outright accusing me?
