The Syndicate

Eh you guys can try to win without me helping you if you want, but I don't think you'll get far.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:03 pmCongrats.

Thanks. Too bad I spent most of the day whining instead =p

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:04 pm [VOTE: Screen] aubergine

Good vote, Einstein. Where'd you learn how to play mafia, the sandpit?

Also it's srceen. Get it right.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:02 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:59 pm Actually if someone about to be yeeted *does* claim mafia I vow to leave them for last so mac can win

I mean, town can do this too, and then we end up accidentally hitting the mafia while trying to get a win for Mac lolol

Unless we all as town swear not to do it, or else you'll get chopped next day.

Also, trying to get a win for a 3p was how we lost GoC 2020.

So maybe just care about our own wincon? Wild idea, I know

Nooo town needs to never do this for it to work. If you claim maf please be actual maf, otherwise we're just saving you for the 3 way.

As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:04 pm [VOTE: Screen] aubergine

Good vote, Einstein. Where'd you learn how to play mafia, the sandpit?

I'd roleplay a response but I don't know who I am.

I for one hope we vote out someone like Porscha and they flip as Scrooge, that'd be pretty funny

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:07 pm As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

I mean....if Mac is the wolf, we loses the second we misyeet the actual 3P or the second the real 3P gets the coin and CCs.

Like...you don't win by making this play if you're w!Mac. Ergo, Mac is telling the truth without even reading any of his protown play all game.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:07 pm As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

Be Mac.

Kill a pack wolf.
Shield the other town 3p. They die anyway.
Kill the maf 3p.
Claim town 3p uncc'd.

"This claim has mafia equity".

My thought is since mac is a player you'll be playing with again, the mafia will want to be gracious and allow him to come out with a win since they're guaranteed to lose either way. So we need to make sure we confirm our hammer before we actually make it then follow through

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:08 pm I for one hope we vote out someone like Porscha and they flip as Scrooge, that'd be pretty funny

I mean yes, I am the last mafia.

I guess the big deterrent for a wolf claiming town 3p banking on the real town 3p not having the coin and being cool about it would be if someone gets voted out and they flip Scrooge

I claim last wolf, I think we should spare me for long enough for Mac to find the coin.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:07 pm As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

Not anymore since there's only 1 wolf and 1 town 3p left. Claiming 3p as maf ensures the town 3p knows who you are and just outs with 1 ML remaining for autowin

Lag with the mech fail. He must be the last mafia lol.

I'll tinfoil whomever I want and you can't stop me

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:11 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:07 pm As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

Not anymore since there's only 1 wolf and 1 town 3p left. Claiming 3p as maf ensures the town 3p knows who you are and just outs with 1 ML remaining for autowin

Unless town 3p doesn't have coin yet, in which case they might not out because they're losing either way

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pmUnless town 3p doesn't have coin yet, in which case they might not out because they're losing either way

Then they could just cc, and we would sleep until they had the coin, and then win.

But Mac's claim is true, so moot.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:11 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:07 pm As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

Not anymore since there's only 1 wolf and 1 town 3p left. Claiming 3p as maf ensures the town 3p knows who you are and just outs with 1 ML remaining for autowin

Unless town 3p doesn't have coin yet, in which case they might not out because they're losing either way

Yeh true, especially since they could still have a chance to win if they get the coin the next night and win in the 3 way. There's something else at play though that I don't want to mention.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:16 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pmUnless town 3p doesn't have coin yet, in which case they might not out because they're losing either way

Then they could just cc, and we would sleep until they had the coin, and then win.

But Mac's claim is true, so moot.

True

Wait @mac does the coin rand to a new player before or after your nightly ability?

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:16 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:11 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:07 pm As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

Not anymore since there's only 1 wolf and 1 town 3p left. Claiming 3p as maf ensures the town 3p knows who you are and just outs with 1 ML remaining for autowin

Unless town 3p doesn't have coin yet, in which case they might not out because they're losing either way

Yeh true, especially since they could still have a chance to win if they get the coin the next night and win in the 3 way. There's something else at play though that I don't want to mention.

Lol come on all the cards on the table please.

Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:19 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:16 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:11 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:07 pm As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

Not anymore since there's only 1 wolf and 1 town 3p left. Claiming 3p as maf ensures the town 3p knows who you are and just outs with 1 ML remaining for autowin

Unless town 3p doesn't have coin yet, in which case they might not out because they're losing either way

Yeh true, especially since they could still have a chance to win if they get the coin the next night and win in the 3 way. There's something else at play though that I don't want to mention.

Lol come on all the cards on the table please.

Me hiding it is in your interest

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

I don't think it works that way

Also if someone wants to CC 3p, today is the day to do it as pointed out by dizzy. We can just sleep until you get the coin but if you don't CC then you're losing anyway since Mac won't die without a CC - and if you do CC after today then we policy kill you before Mac every time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:12 pm Lag with the mech fail. He must be the last mafia lol.

Having an abundance of caution is not a fail, remember GoC 2020?

I highly doubt that mac would bet on the actual 3p playing into his fake claim strat if he was maf. Like maf!mac doesn't even know if the town 3p has the coin yet or not, and can probably assume correctly that unless 3p is me or you Lag, he's probably fked in the end either way

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:12 pm Lag with the mech fail. He must be the last mafia lol.

Although I guess if you're 3p, you're playing to your win con in trying to ice out any mech talk which could result in an unfavorable outcome for you. But in this case it sounds like you're fine

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:27 pm I highly doubt that mac would bet on the actual 3p playing into his fake claim strat if he was maf. Like maf!mac doesn't even know if the town 3p has the coin yet or not, and can probably assume correctly that unless 3p is me or you Lag, he's probably fked in the end either way

Also fair

IT IS SNOWING IN MID APRIL THIS SUCKS

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Like, it's not our wincon. Mac did lovely work for town. But he also forgot to search for the coin 2/3 times. If he gets it and wins with us, that's great. But us winning is the only priority, for me at least.

We should just try to hit mafia.

I want to hear from DDL and Porscha. And then I don't mind an early hammer.

But like, if there is a mechanical safe way with no drawbacks for town, then go ahead. =p

I like the one where mafia just claims.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:37 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Like, it's not our wincon. Mac did lovely work for town. But he also forgot to search for the coin 2/3 times. If he gets it and wins with us, that's great. But us winning is the only priority, for me at least.

We should just try to hit mafia.

I want to hear from DDL and Porscha. And then I don't mind an early hammer.

Our wincon does take priority but all this can be done without harming town's wincon at all, and goodwill goes a long way, we don't want mac actively playing against us because he doesn't think we'll help him. Plus I just can't resist extra mechanics :>

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:37 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Like, it's not our wincon. Mac did lovely work for town. But he also forgot to search for the coin 2/3 times. If he gets it and wins with us, that's great. But us winning is the only priority, for me at least.

We should just try to hit mafia.

I want to hear from DDL and Porscha. And then I don't mind an early hammer.

Our wincon does take priority but all this can be done without harming town's wincon at all, and goodwill goes a long way, we don't want mac actively playing against us because he doesn't think we'll help him. Plus I just can't resist extra mechanics :>

As long as Mac does not have the coin, his win con is to kill town. He's already going to be playing against us in that sense

I claim lost wolf, I think we should spare me for long enough for Mac to find the coin.

I claim town

Anyways i still want to know why ddl is spewed town because i keep trying to see it and don't

porscha, ddl, and srceen are my poe I suppose.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:59 pm I claim town

I HARD claim town

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:50 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:37 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Like, it's not our wincon. Mac did lovely work for town. But he also forgot to search for the coin 2/3 times. If he gets it and wins with us, that's great. But us winning is the only priority, for me at least.

We should just try to hit mafia.

I want to hear from DDL and Porscha. And then I don't mind an early hammer.

Our wincon does take priority but all this can be done without harming town's wincon at all, and goodwill goes a long way, we don't want mac actively playing against us because he doesn't think we'll help him. Plus I just can't resist extra mechanics :>

As long as Mac does not have the coin, his win con is to kill town. He's already going to be playing against us in that sense

We can voluntarily set a lot more stuff up that helps him than any benefit he could derive from tricking us, so I think his wincon is best served by convincing us he's helping us which I think he currently is.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:00 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:50 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:37 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Like, it's not our wincon. Mac did lovely work for town. But he also forgot to search for the coin 2/3 times. If he gets it and wins with us, that's great. But us winning is the only priority, for me at least.

We should just try to hit mafia.

I want to hear from DDL and Porscha. And then I don't mind an early hammer.

Our wincon does take priority but all this can be done without harming town's wincon at all, and goodwill goes a long way, we don't want mac actively playing against us because he doesn't think we'll help him. Plus I just can't resist extra mechanics :>

As long as Mac does not have the coin, his win con is to kill town. He's already going to be playing against us in that sense

We can voluntarily set a lot more stuff up that helps him than any benefit he could derive from tricking us, so I think his wincon is best served by convincing us he's helping us which I think he currently is.

What can we set up? The coin gives its holder a beloved modifier, it doesn't remove the holders vote power

EOD3 vote count has been updated.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:02 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:00 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:50 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:37 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Like, it's not our wincon. Mac did lovely work for town. But he also forgot to search for the coin 2/3 times. If he gets it and wins with us, that's great. But us winning is the only priority, for me at least.

We should just try to hit mafia.

I want to hear from DDL and Porscha. And then I don't mind an early hammer.

Our wincon does take priority but all this can be done without harming town's wincon at all, and goodwill goes a long way, we don't want mac actively playing against us because he doesn't think we'll help him. Plus I just can't resist extra mechanics :>

As long as Mac does not have the coin, his win con is to kill town. He's already going to be playing against us in that sense

We can voluntarily set a lot more stuff up that helps him than any benefit he could derive from tricking us, so I think his wincon is best served by convincing us he's helping us which I think he currently is.

What can we set up? The coin gives its holder a beloved modifier, it doesn't remove the holders vote power

Should say it's a loved modifier since beloved is technically something different.

If 5 people are voting for the holder, then the holder in effect only has 4 votes on them

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:02 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:00 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:50 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:37 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Like, it's not our wincon. Mac did lovely work for town. But he also forgot to search for the coin 2/3 times. If he gets it and wins with us, that's great. But us winning is the only priority, for me at least.

We should just try to hit mafia.

I want to hear from DDL and Porscha. And then I don't mind an early hammer.

Our wincon does take priority but all this can be done without harming town's wincon at all, and goodwill goes a long way, we don't want mac actively playing against us because he doesn't think we'll help him. Plus I just can't resist extra mechanics :>

As long as Mac does not have the coin, his win con is to kill town. He's already going to be playing against us in that sense

We can voluntarily set a lot more stuff up that helps him than any benefit he could derive from tricking us, so I think his wincon is best served by convincing us he's helping us which I think he currently is.

What can we set up? The coin gives its holder a beloved modifier, it doesn't remove the holders vote power

Well the preferring to yeet his townreads all else being equal for us is one thing, then setting up the policy to leave anyone claiming maf for last and giving people being yeeted the opportunity to make that claim to let him win, then so ok..

.. if the coin assignment randed after the steal (which you mentioned it probably doesn't so this is probably moot) we could split votes between 2 scumreads and if one of them has the coin the other one gets eliminated at EoD timer. Not sure if NANOOK would announce a rand, even if he doesn't it still increases the probability that the person who wasn't randed to has the coin a la monty hall problem. If NANOOK does announce rand then we know neither has the coin.

I was told I get the coin whether the person had it before or after rand

so arcbell plan works?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:15 pm I was told I get the coin whether the person had it before or after rand

YESS

Okay we can do it then we just need to split votes between 2 scumreads and wait out the timer for a free coin check or fuzzy coin check