The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

[zeek]

Frankly, I was shocked when people actually started listening to me. I thought for sure after the earlier discussion that I couldn't have pulled anything like this off.

This is you trolling.

Also, for all of those that are declaring not to trust me and that I'm the one that caused everything this past lynch, think twice. My one vote wouldn't have done anything. And plenty of people that listened to me. Honestly, I was just trying to find non-recruit baddies.

So there are recruited baddies? Good to know.

[zeek]

On my phone and I fucked up that quote.
Timmer didn't say that, MP did.

[Tangrowth]

Also, timmer, you should reconsider your narrow-minded approach to DH and Snowy.

Didn't Rox say she was sick earlier? So how would her vote for Snowy on D6 have anything to do with that?

Are you suggesting that Roxy died of a poisoning or something?

When asked about her death comment, she replied:

"elaborate that I am sick? Ok. I have the flu and been running a high fever there was talk of the hospital but I promised my doc I would take a couple of days off which I have. "

I think Roxy was just sick, and that her vote for Snowy very well may have had something to do with her death. Call me narrow-minded if you want, but everyone knows what you're up to, my man. Snowy is bad fucking news.

I am. I find it odd she said something about death and then commented like that. Maybe she wasn't supposed to talk about it.

But who knows? Maybe you're right.

Everyone knows what I'm up to? You sure about that? I think the opposite, really.

You know, certain people are going to try to antagonize me after that last lynch and say I'm "on the baddies' side", but as I've explained already, that's impossible. The only side I'm on is neutral. And I haven't lied throughout the entire game. If I feel like helping the civilians, I will, just like I tried to this past lynch.

Just because the sudden lynchtrain on LC was shady as fuck doesn't mean LC ISN'T bad.

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Also, I was thinking about this past lynch, and I came up with a theory:

What if timmer and LC are baddie teammates?

Think about it. timmer has been going on and on about LC and Daisy being bad for more than a cycle now. He then drops it and doesn't mention it again once he fears he doesn't have support for it, saying instead he could vote for DH. Then he echoes the indignant rage of LC (justified), saying that we had 48 hours and all these cases were made, but then LC was voted for out of nowhere.

While that may be true, look at how timmer progressed throughout the day:

I've still got my eye on Long Con and Spacedaisy. I'll have more to say tomorrow, I've got the morning off.

Okay, so this game is starting to make my head spin, but here goes.

I think LC is bad for many of the reasons DH has set out. the Day 1 vote against rey was very weird, but more weird (and more important) were his responses regarding it all afterwards which DH has just covered. That said, DH is fucking on FIRE right now, and when he's on fire he can pretty much convince me to buy a bridge to nowhere, so I may be getting a bit swayed here, BUT, I've been eyeing Long Con for much of the game so DH's posts are essentially bolstering what I already believed.

As to SpaceDaisy. MP, I would like you to go into DETAIL about why you are thinking civ here. Obviously you have an agenda, and the fact that you are outed and playing an ostensibly pro-civ game doesn't change that. You DO have an agenda to see your recruits survive. So when I see you defend someone as civ at this point in the game, if you want me to listen to you, you will need to DEMONSTRATE your reasons. I don't think anyone, outside of your recruits, will just simply trust you. At least, they shouldn't. So I'm willing to listen, how is SD civ?

As to SVS, she's a brilliant player and I could see her being bad always. Essentially, I've seen her flip bad and had my jaw drop enough that I'm not taking anything for granted. But I would like someone to summarize their case there.

And MP, I'll read back on your Bea case later today, I'll admit I don't think i've read it yet!

So MP says he thinks Long Con is civ, and Long Con says it's good not to lynch MP. Hmm. And MP also thinks SD is civ, who I think is tied to LC. Hmm. This doesn't help.

Because the next post is pretty long and is the case about Daisy, mostly being linked to LC, I'll just link it:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p107518

I tend to get blinded by DH being DH. Basically, I look at the now epic-length back and forth between him and Long Con, and I feel like LC is the one who started out in the wrong, all the way back to his Day 1 vote for rey, which I believe DH called him on. And that's where the tie to SD started as well. Since then, DH has been fairly consistent in his posting about LC, and so since I feel like there is a good chance LC is bad, I feel that it makes a bigger chance DH isn't.

That said, I could definitely see an indy DH here. I'm just not seeing a baddie DH, but like I said at the start, I'm not very good at reading through his game.

And I swear I will read up on Bea, I'm going to cover it on my supper break.

Here's his case on bea:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 61#p107661

Most importantly, he says:

I can see Bea being bad, and if I don't have support for my ideas re: Daisy and Long Con, I'll pursue a vote in Bea's direction.

Backing off of Daisy and LC, only to...

And I agree with Zeek, people discussing voting for absent players is not helpful and makes no sense when those of us who ARE posting are discussing suspicions. And in my experience absent players are more often civ or bored indy anyway. Anyone pushing an absent player vote will get an increasing amount of from me the more they push it.

Linki LC, Im fine with DH today as well at this point.

THEN say he's "fine with DH today" after he made more than a few posts earlier in the same day and throughout the game believing him to be more likely civilian. Where's the logic in that?

Now the full shift:

I'm only voting Snowy or DH today, Daisy. The you and LC thing has moved more to the mdidle of the spectrum for me, as in there is less meat to that than what I'm seeing in Snowy/DH.

You are hinting at reasons that these lynch ideas are bad but without explaining them. I can't see anyone backing down from their vote without you providing at least a bit of an idea of why people should? I'm at work and certainly don't have time to find a random little thing a million pages ago, etc. But please shout out of you've seen soemthing??

It didn't come out of the blue, at least. He made a case on Snowy and started seeing how everyone was tied to DH, so that it made sense that DH should be lynched:

Made, DH is at least directly tied to my case on Snowy. I can't very well prove Snowy was bailing DH out if I don't know if DH is bad, right? But every is using DH to add suspicion to their cases, all over the place. It seems clear to me that a TON of people think DH is bad, but that he hasn't stepped out of line directly enough to make an easy case. Well then, my vote is better off on DH than Snowy. But at this point, this day has boggled my mind.

But can't it just be the case that everyone is connected to DH because he has the most posts in the thread and because he almost died D1 due to suspicion AND because he's a very enigmatic player? I believe Made responded and illustrated a point similar to this.

Now although timmer has every right to be upset about the way the lynch occurred, because it WAS without a proper case -- but to be fair, it was the last 30 minutes of the lynch and Daisy had come in with information that could highly suggest that Russ (and DH by association) are civilian roles. So what would you have done in any of our positions?

I can't believe this lynch. This is Champion play? I get barely mentioned, and then bandwagon slammed at the last minute?

This has been really shameful. There's no way in hell I deserved that with so many actual suspects out there.

Last thing: DH, you guys. Open your eyes, even if it's for the first time this game.

I'm with you, buddy. That was awful. All these fucking cases, over 48 fucking hours, and we get a bunch of low posters create a lynch out of nothing. I'm not really feeling "civ" from you tbh, but I'm not feeling bad either, so I wasn't prepared to vote you no matter what. At least not without a fucking case from SOMEONE>????

But how is that true? He's been going on about voting LC and Daisy for multiple cycles now.

I don't think the lynch was switched LC, I think Hedge wasn't draining people each night and thus accumulated enough votes to die.

And I'm not even going to get distracted by DH, SNOWY YOU GET MY VOTE FOREVER UNTIL YOU DIE.

Now of course, the thread is going to head in this direction, and I can assure you we will very likely see at least one civilian lynch (DH), and one probably civilian lynch (Snowy), because to be frank I'm not convinced that Snowy is acting anything other than genuine, and that he's getting burned for his indecisiveness like he has in the past. I could be wrong there, but that's just me.

I will seriously consider voting for timmer tomorrow, honestly.

[Tangrowth]

But zeek, I don't know the alignments of my recruits. So it's possible I have recruited a baddie, sure, but I hope I haven't.

[Tangrowth]

I know people don't trust me, but please read what I found in timmer's posts. He's a genius player, just like LC and DH. I find it most odd he said he had no intention of voting LC yet he has been fixated on LC and Daisy being teammates for a while now.

[timmer]

I'm not even going to bother replying to that, MP. Troll away.

[Long Con]

But zeek, I don't know the alignments of my recruits. So it's possible I have recruited a baddie, sure, but I hope I haven't.

Argh, what a liar! You know their roles. Why lie like that?

[Tangrowth]

I'm not even going to bother replying to that, MP. Troll away.

But why did you say you didn't having intent to vote LC when you clearly did earlier?

But zeek, I don't know the alignments of my recruits. So it's possible I have recruited a baddie, sure, but I hope I haven't.

Argh, what a liar! You know their roles. Why lie like that?

I'm not lying. I swear.

I wish I knew their roles. That would make my win condition much easier. As it is, it's relatively difficult, actually.

[Long Con]

Tyler Durden– On Day 0, Tyler Durden chooses one player to be The Narrator. He will learn that player’s role. If that person dies, he dies. Durden recruits someone into Project Mayhem each Night. Recruits do not change roles or alignments. Tyler Durden must have more recruits alive than non-recruits at the end to win. If he is targeted by two or more people in the same Night, he will force them to fight, and only those people will be on the poll the next Day. *Secrets*

Why are you making me do this?

[Long Con]

Oh shit. Sorry. My bad. I was confused.

[Tangrowth]

Yeah, I've admitted that I know Narrator's role. Which is a civilian. But sadly I don't learn the roles of my recruits. This is why I explained my theory behind it being most advantageous for me to play a civilian-friendly game as much as I could, obviously while still protecting my own interests.

[Tangrowth]

Also, since I never stated, I want to fight myself.

Since I have the most practice fighting myself, it seems only reasonable to do so. :P

[Long Con]

Fight Club Host got to be Tyler Durden. Any other correlations anyone has noticed?

[Tangrowth]

Fight Club Host got to be Tyler Durden. Any other correlations anyone has noticed?

DF hosted WWE and he was Vince McMahon.

[Long Con]

Who hosted Harry Potter?

[Tangrowth]

AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.

[DharmaHelper]

AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.

LMAO

[Tangrowth]

AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.

LMAO

LOL why is this so funny?

Is Lizzy Voldemort?

[DharmaHelper]

AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.

LMAO

LOL why is this so funny?

Is Lizzy Voldemort?

The "is playing" part slayed me.

[Tangrowth]

AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.

LMAO

LOL why is this so funny?

Is Lizzy Voldemort?

The "is playing" part slayed me.

Oh, yes.

She "is playing".

[Tangrowth]

I'm not even going to bother replying to that, MP. Troll away.

This is bothering me, timmer. But why?

Revealing who Tyler is helps the baddies as much as it helps the civvies, LC.

I think the strongest takeaway was that it helps Tyler, but I'm not sure what you mean here. It helps the Civvies in that we'd know someone who isn't a baddie, who the baddies won't kill. We can further assume that Tyler would likely try to act Civvie and find and lynch baddies... I think that's a reasonable assumption. I guess Tyler could somehow decide to side with a baddie team, but he wouldn't really have any info to go on to do that.

It helps the targeting Civvies and baddies equally, because both sides would avoid targeting him.

It narrows the baddies down... one more person they can't falsely pin baddieness on. I don't think the reverse applies to Civvieness.

You were obviously in a hurry there Timmer, so don't worry if you can't clarify your viewpoint. Ultimately, I don't expect Tyler to be revealed. I just thought it was good to discuss. Could come in handy later, when the survivor of this lynch is like "I really don't think we need to lynch ______", we could all be like "ah, maybe that person is Tyler!" and not waste a lynch.

Have I not done this?

Just because I voted LC yesterday when it was revealed that Russ and DH could both be civilian doesn't mean I had nefarious intentions in doing so. I have every intention of assisting the civilians this game. Of course, I do have a vested interest to keep my recruits alive, but if I can afford sacrificing one of them and I TRULY believe one of them is bad, so be it. Have I done that so far? Well, probably not, right? But as the game goes on, who knows?

I just won't be sacrificing my Narrator, ever, since that person is civilian.

All the more reason that everyone shouldn't just IGNORE me completely, but that they should read what I have to say and consider it, even if they decide it's hogwash. That's all I'm asking.

I think I should be treated as what I really am, a neutral. Not a baddie.

[DharmaHelper]

Good thing I checked the dang poll.

[timmer]

Ugh. I'm tuning out for the day, I'm still tired after yesterday.

But I found a good case yesterday on Snowy, a case I liked better than the various thoughts on Long Con, Daisy, Bea, take your pick. Snowy was the case I liked and I planned to stick to it.

And frankly, the thread then went apeshit. Everyone ran around like chickens with their heads cut off. OMG maybe Russ? OMG maybe Long Con?

Even though I've found reason to eye Long Con in this game, and have previously suggested he could be bad (and still could be), there was NO WAY I was going to abandon my case against Snowy that I had built up, to jump on a ridiculous last-second push that was clearly being pushed by YOU, Tyler Durden, and was being driven by a bunch of people who hadn't even been paying attention in the game. It was an AWFUL series of events, and I still can't believe what happened yesterday.

And now you want to call me bad for NOT jumping onto the crazy train yesterday? For sticking with my own case, LOL?

That's awesome. Like I said, keep on trollin'.

[Tangrowth]

Fair enough, timmer. Thanks for the response. I'll consider it.

I'm curious then: What do people think of juliets, Blooper, zeek, Daisy, Elo, and Russ? Those were the later voters in the stages of yesterday, and most of them voted for LC, but not all of them.

I'll be busier today, but I'll be back probably before D7 starts. If people want to wait until then to discuss, that's fine too.

[DharmaHelper]

Fair enough, timmer. Thanks for the response. I'll consider it.

I'm curious then: What do people think of juliets, Blooper, zeek, Daisy, Elo, and Russ? Those were the later voters in the stages of yesterday, and most of them voted for LC, but not all of them.

I'll be busier today, but I'll be back probably before D7 starts. If people want to wait until then to discuss, that's fine too.

Study the DF lynch and the Dom/Bass Lynch, and I think you'll see a number of those names also come up.

[zeek]

Study the DF lynch and the Dom/Bass Lynch, and I think you'll see a number of those names also come up.

Yep. My name is on that list. Shame I didn't do what you did and lynch neither Suit

[bea]

RIP Rox. I had good feels about you.

The end of that lynch. Wow. I just can't even.... Definately need to spend some time re-reading and thinking to see how that went down.

I went with Rey for the fight thingie.

[S~V~S]

Ugh I said this AM I was gonna vote sabie, but forgot to actually vote, and someone else picked her. So in order to maintain one per thing we got going on I went with rey instead. I maintain that he fights like a girl anyhow

[S~V~S]

Oh no Lol. Well I voted first this time lol

[Elohcin]

There are several choices of people to vote for Day 7. MP, even though I don't trust you atm, I do think your case on Timmer was good. But, I think Timmer defended himself genuinely. I'll let you all know my top picks for tomorrow's lynch when the day begins.

[Mongoose]

Some really excellent defenses today. Y'all are really in it to win it. I didn't really read anyone as trolling though?

I think Day 7 is definitely going to be a doozy.

[zeek]

I'm signing off for a bit I'm afraid. Tomorrow is the big day! I'll check to see whether I'm dead in the morning but I won't really have time to post. Won't really be around after that until the last 10 hours or so of Day 7. I may have a lot of catching up to do.

[bea]

Lots.of.luck and.warm thoughts.to you zeeky!

[Mongoose]

Ditto! I'm pleased as punch for you.

[Mongoose]

In light of Hedgeowl's death, how do we feel about the Tea Party Theorem?

[DharmaHelper]

In light of Hedgeowl's death, how do we feel about the Tea Party Theorem?

Its wrong, evidently. And now I'm sad :P

[nijuukyugou]

I am awake now. I slept for 9 hours and it was glorious. I might sleep for 9 more tonight Here comes a novel.

Well holy shit. That was a ridiculous lynch, and not just the result. However, with all of the switching going on last night, I'm not particularly surprised that it turned crazily. LC, even though I voted for you, I can totally understand your frustration at that mess.

Woo hoo! I'm being mentioned and noticed! I find that because I'm a quiet player and can only mostly post after conversations have happened (rarely during), I get lost with the big guys. Sometimes works to my advantage, and sometimes gets a bit lonely Aaaanyway...

I hope Blooper explains her vote, since she was the first one to vote LC. Then Russ moved over, and it seemed like LC was the only viable NON-DH and NON-Russ candidate.

First of all, I was not the first to vote LC - DH was. Yeah, I voted LC mostly because of the Rey thing from Day 1 and I've been seeing him in a baddie light since. I also read DH's case against him and, perhaps with my bias (LC and DH were back and forth), found it sound and had no qualms voting for him, especially since so many people were all over the place yesterday without much consistency. I've mentioned before, perhaps on more than one occasion, that I don't think DH is bad. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But my gut feelings have been working for me this game (and for some reason, work pretty well in most games I play, I've found), and I haven't been seeing the baddie vibes others seem to see.

Dammit dammit dammit my stupid post got lost...let's try to remember it, even though it was a jumbled mess of tired thoughts

Okay. So I've been reading the thread in spurts as I was able tonight (multitasking and whatnot). The main thing that I noticed was how many times the suspicions/majority votes seemed to change. Interesting theories on quiet/inactive players, and some nastiness along the way which was unfortunate. I am running on 2-3 hours of sleep from last night and I have been fighting the urge to fall asleep where I am all day. That being said, while I see some interesting cases, and I'd like to check the validity of this sudden popular vote on Russ, I am far too tired to do so, and I am not comfortable voting without checking. So at the risk of spreading the vote/looking like whatever, I'm going to vote LC, because my opinion on him hasn't changed. Might look at the whole changing aspect of people's opinions/votes tonight when I'm more awake, might not. Sleep will tell. Sleeeeeep.

So good night, good luck, and I hope the outcome is favorable. And I hope I made some semblance of sense above

Uh, at the risk of spreading the vote, you voted for the guy with 1 vote at the time (Mine) and spread the vote?

Yes. At the time I voted, there were a decent number of votes on Russ and people are always getting flak for "spreading the vote," even when the majority vote seems kinda ridiculous. I believe in my tired state that I was going along the lines of "well, even if my vote doesn't count towards the lynch going on, I'm going to vote by conviction." That's not to say I didn't want my vote to go through - I stand by what I thought - but hell, that mentality sure went down the toilet with the result.

Okay, and LC, you said this in your justifiable indignation during the craziness of last night:

I'm obviously not a suit, they killed BR night 1. I'm not a sorcerer, I was after Dom in that lynch.

Please think people!!!

Can you explain this defense a little more, if you're up for it? I'm a bit confused as to how this clears you up, but I'm certainly willing to understand.

Did I miss anything? Anything else need addressing?

Oh, and I'mma fight Eloh, because I want to steal delicious cakes, provided I don't get killed in the fight

[Tangrowth]

Thanks for elaborating, Blooper.

Do you have any other suspects besides LC?

[nijuukyugou]

Thanks for elaborating, Blooper.

Do you have any other suspects besides LC?

I find it quite unsound about Roxy's mysterious death and her vote for SD, so that's somewhere I'm looking. He was mentioned for a while yesterday but it fell flat with many at the end. I was also interested to see what more people would say about Made - there was a lot of suspicion of him in the beginning of this game for the whole Hatter thing, which at the time I did not follow/agree with (the suspicion, that is - I didn't think he was lying as others did and, therefore, didn't suspect him because of it), but after that suspicion died, so did his participation. Perhaps that's real life stuff, but that's pretty un-Made like behavior. Or, rather, un-Civ like Made behavior

[nijuukyugou]

Oh, I made my 500 posts! Hooray! Thought I'd never get there

[Tangrowth]

You do have a point re: Made; I would like to hear what he has to say. Surely he must have some suspicions.

[S~V~S]

Several people have said this; what would voting for Snowy have to do with Roxy dying? Was that the only vote Snowy got the whole game? Am I missing something very obvious?

[Tangrowth]

Several people have said this; what would voting for Snowy have to do with Roxy dying? Was that the only vote Snowy got the whole game? Am I missing something very obvious?

Don't worry, I don't get it either.

I think Rox either:
1) Failed a curse by the Hatter (can't remember who said this, but it seems plausible)
2) Died due to her "sickness" she mentioned earlier, but I have no idea what caused that

[nijuukyugou]

Several people have said this; what would voting for Snowy have to do with Roxy dying? Was that the only vote Snowy got the whole game? Am I missing something very obvious?

Looking back at the polls, Roxy is the only person ever to actually vote Snowy in a lynch and end it there. Not saying this is definitive proof, but it's certainly interesting.

[nijuukyugou]

Several people have said this; what would voting for Snowy have to do with Roxy dying? Was that the only vote Snowy got the whole game? Am I missing something very obvious?

Looking back at the polls, Roxy is the only person ever to actually vote Snowy in a lynch and end it there. Not saying this is definitive proof, but it's certainly interesting.

Edit: Keep it there 'til the end. Bad wording.

[Epignosis]

So who you wanna fight?

You may select 1 option

bea
0
No votes

Boomslang
1
Made (7)
6%

DharmaHelper
0
No votes

Elohcin
1
nijuukyugou (17)
6%

juliets
0
No votes

Lizzy
1
juliets (2)
6%

Long Con
1
DharmaHelper (13)
6%

Lorab
1
Elohcin (6)
6%

Made
1
Snow Dog (12)
6%

Mongoose
1
Russtifinko (8)
6%

MovingPictures07
1
MovingPictures07 (9)
6%

nijuukyugou
1
Long Con (5)
6%

reywaS
1
S~V~S (15)
6%

Russtifinko
1
Mongoose (10)
6%

sabie12
1
timmer (4)
6%

Snow Dog
1
bea (14)
6%

spacedaisy
0
No votes

S~V~S
1
zeek (3)
6%

timmer
0
No votes

zeek
0
No votes

Vompatti (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
Epignosis (1), Metalmarsh89 (11), Roxy (16)
18%


Total votes : 17

[Mongoose]

In light of Hedgeowl's death, how do we feel about the Tea Party Theorem?

Its wrong, evidently. And now I'm sad :P

Do we definitively know it's wrong? If it was right, would we even know?

[bea]

Jc.said.she.was.cursed.by hatter and she.is.still posting.....

[Epignosis]

Night 6: We've All Been Raised on Television to Believe That One Day We'd All be Killers- But We Won’t

A spectral presence, dark as a Delaware night, descended from the heavens.

“As I was saying, the final rule is that if it’s your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight. Like you, pissant. You got a name?”

“Tom Riddle,” the presence called.

“Tom Riddle. Good. Solid American name with a hint of enigma. Get it. Ah, he didn’t get it. Mr. Riddle, might I interest you in some soap?”

But the one called Tom Riddle was already moving toward a shirtless timmer. The bout didn’t take long. Soon, timmer’s body was still on the pavement.

His fingertips touched down last.

“Dude tapped out.”

Tom Riddle struck timmer with another blast from his crooked wand.

“The fucks the matter with you? He tapped out! Listen, baldy, you’re breaking the third rule. Man, have you even seen your nose? What did timmer do to you? You need to get that checked out, man. The match is over.”

Tom Riddle stared evilly at the leather-jacketed man. “Avada Kedavra!”

“Gesundheit. Now go on. Kick rocks. Come back tomorrow if you want.”

Tom Riddle hissed and flew away in a plume of smoke.

No one has been killed. It is now Day 7. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

[juliets]

Jc.said.she.was.cursed.by hatter and she.is.still posting.....

I fully complied with my curse. I can't tell you what was in the message about that but I can say that overall if you comply with a curse you don't get any punishment. If you don't comply the punishment can be bad. I'm doubtful that someones curse would last more than just a day or a day and a night.

linki - Ah great no one died!