The Syndicate

Boomslang wrote:

Epignosis wrote:That won't happen Boomslang. I have three other people pegged as Yotsuba. I will not talk about them.

I completely understand you not wanting to reveal all your cards, especially when indicating people who might eventually get a kill. The claim that you've got three other Yotsuba suspects is at least interesting new intel. I don't expect you to name names, but can you say if you suspect them for the same reasons as you suspected LC? Would give us something to look for in possible rereads.

I firmly believe juliets is Yotsuba.

She'll deny it, and I refuse to give my reasoning, but I think I'm right.

Turnip Head wrote:Epi you literally have 2 votes. Yesterday 26 people voted. Why give up now?

I gave up? Fuck.

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Epi you literally have 2 votes. Yesterday 26 people voted. Why give up now?

I gave up? Fuck.

I know man it was annoying for me too

Epignosis wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Epignosis wrote:That won't happen Boomslang. I have three other people pegged as Yotsuba. I will not talk about them.

I completely understand you not wanting to reveal all your cards, especially when indicating people who might eventually get a kill. The claim that you've got three other Yotsuba suspects is at least interesting new intel. I don't expect you to name names, but can you say if you suspect them for the same reasons as you suspected LC? Would give us something to look for in possible rereads.

I firmly believe juliets is Yotsuba.

She'll deny it, and I refuse to give my reasoning, but I think I'm right.

That's good enough for people to do a compare/contrast of her and LC. Thanks, and I guess I have some reading to do.

Also, decided to suck it up and actually watch this show. Hang on to your butts...

I also predict that the detectives will lose.

Tomorrow I will be posting my thoughts on everyone, but I'm way too tired tonight.

Right before the night post, Epig made the remark that he didn't think he'd be nk'd. I didn't make too much of it at the time, still don't, but taking the day off, and such? sounds like he isn't worried about the lynch either. You are so tricky, sir.

Matahari wrote:Right before the night post, Epig made the remark that he didn't think he'd be nk'd. I didn't make too much of it at the time, still don't, but taking the day off, and such? sounds like he isn't worried about the lynch either. You are so tricky, sir.

I said early on I didn't care if I was lynched. Just that I'd be unhappy about it.

lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.

juliets wrote:lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.

If you are Yotsuba, you have no need to defend yourself. Unless you are Kira.

Epignosis wrote:I also predict that the detectives will lose.

Well thank Christ you're doing everything you can to prevent that.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also predict that the detectives will lose.

Well thank Christ you're doing everything you can to prevent that.

I have been trying, but (no thanks to you either) I am a suspect.

Catching Kira is luck-based. Lots of people don't want to act like it is but it is.

Good luck catching Kira.

*act like it isn't

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also predict that the detectives will lose.

Well thank Christ you're doing everything you can to prevent that.

I have been trying, but (no thanks to you either) I am a suspect.

Catching Kira is luck-based. Lots of people don't want to act like it is but it is.

Good luck catching Kira.

Everyone is a suspect.

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.

If you are Yotsuba, you have no need to defend yourself. Unless you are Kira.

It seems that most people believe the Yotsubas are like independents except for the Kira one and that independents are as bad or almost as bad as being baddies. From that perspective I feel like I need to defend myself. There's nothing to work with yet though so I'll wait.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also predict that the detectives will lose.

Well thank Christ you're doing everything you can to prevent that.

I have been trying, but (no thanks to you either) I am a suspect.

Catching Kira is luck-based. Lots of people don't want to act like it is but it is.

Good luck catching Kira.

Everyone is a suspect.

Yes...and?

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also predict that the detectives will lose.

Well thank Christ you're doing everything you can to prevent that.

I have been trying, but (no thanks to you either) I am a suspect.

Catching Kira is luck-based. Lots of people don't want to act like it is but it is.

Good luck catching Kira.

Everyone is a suspect.

Yes...and?

"I am a suspect" is therefore not an excuse for anything.

As a side note, We are at best looking at 45% of players who have a vested public interest in not lynching detectives. Thats *best* case scenario.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also predict that the detectives will lose.

Well thank Christ you're doing everything you can to prevent that.

I have been trying, but (no thanks to you either) I am a suspect.

Catching Kira is luck-based. Lots of people don't want to act like it is but it is.

Good luck catching Kira.

Everyone is a suspect.

Yes...and?

"I am a suspect" is therefore not an excuse for anything.

As a side note, We are at best looking at 45% of players who have a vested public interest in not lynching detectives. Thats *best* case scenario.

Good luck with that.

I'm going to bed now.

I'm a 45%er

Catching Kira is luck-based. Lots of people don't want to act like it is but it is.

Epi probably won't like me saying it, but there is a civ role that cannot be lynched or NK'd (as far as we know right now). It is possible that he is good. Weird, but good. I am still going to vote Snowman.

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.

If you are Yotsuba, you have no need to defend yourself. Unless you are Kira.

It seems that most people believe the Yotsubas are like independents except for the Kira one and that independents are as bad or almost as bad as being baddies. From that perspective I feel like I need to defend myself. There's nothing to work with yet though so I'll wait.

Who are these "most people" you refer to? I feel like almost everyone has agreed with Epi that lynching them is not a priority. It is only the fact that he keeps repeating it thta makes it seem like people are arguing with him.

Zomberella12 wrote:Epi probably won't like me saying it, but there is a civ role that cannot be lynched or NK'd (as far as we know right now). It is possible that he is good. Weird, but good. I am still going to vote Snowman.

I thought you said you wanted to talk to me about it first.

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:Epi probably won't like me saying it, but there is a civ role that cannot be lynched or NK'd (as far as we know right now). It is possible that he is good. Weird, but good. I am still going to vote Snowman.

I thought you said you wanted to talk to me about it first.

I thought you were gonna talk about SVS.

Zomberella12 wrote:Epi probably won't like me saying it, but there is a civ role that cannot be lynched or NK'd (as far as we know right now). It is possible that he is good. Weird, but good. I am still going to vote Snowman.

Or maybe Epi just wants us to think he is Near - his I don't care if I'm lynched attitude appeared after the rest of the role was revealed.

*votes Snowman*

For anyone who feels like asking me why - I have already said in a very detailed post - but the gist is, I know him, no one else does. You all seem to put stock into determining each others' civ-game and baddie-game. Snowman is playing his baddie-game.

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:Epi probably won't like me saying it, but there is a civ role that cannot be lynched or NK'd (as far as we know right now). It is possible that he is good. Weird, but good. I am still going to vote Snowman.

I thought you said you wanted to talk to me about it first.

Oh yeah. I do want to talk to you! Maybe not first. But I'm sorry that I doubted you. You were right. Hail Llama's deductive powers.

Turnip Head wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:Epi probably won't like me saying it, but there is a civ role that cannot be lynched or NK'd (as far as we know right now). It is possible that he is good. Weird, but good. I am still going to vote Snowman.

I thought you said you wanted to talk to me about it first.

I thought you were gonna talk about SVS.

Later.

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:Epi probably won't like me saying it, but there is a civ role that cannot be lynched or NK'd (as far as we know right now). It is possible that he is good. Weird, but good. I am still going to vote Snowman.

I thought you said you wanted to talk to me about it first.

Oh yeah. I do want to talk to you! Maybe not first. But I'm sorry that I doubted you. You were right. Hail Llama's deductive powers.

So our last lynch was pretty good. Lets get another baddie today.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.

If you are Yotsuba, you have no need to defend yourself. Unless you are Kira.

It seems that most people believe the Yotsubas are like independents except for the Kira one and that independents are as bad or almost as bad as being baddies. From that perspective I feel like I need to defend myself. There's nothing to work with yet though so I'll wait.

Who are these "most people" you refer to? I feel like almost everyone has agreed with Epi that lynching them is not a priority. It is only the fact that he keeps repeating it thta makes it seem like people are arguing with him.

Ok, maybe your'e right and my perception is skewed.

Zomberella12 wrote: So our last lynch was pretty good. Lets get another baddie today.

I can't wait for Epig to see this.

Zomberella12 wrote:

So our last lynch was pretty good. Lets get another baddie today.

That's clearly a demon-possessed llama. Therefore, we should kill llama.

Also, I saw Zomberella with the devil-llama.

Doing my readthroughs of Juliets and Long Con. A few things of note:

1. The two don't agree on the normal lynch issue, but they both mention the possible fun of the L/Light mechanic.

2. Juliets is "intrigued' by Epig's Russ suspicion in her fourth post, while Long Con's literally third post contains the following sentence:

Long Con wrote:Maybe Epig is on the yellow team and is afraid his team is getting ripped off.

3. LC later joins in on the examination of Epig for Russ:

Long Con wrote: Isn't Epig anti-speculation? And now he has voted for Russ with a very speculative reason? Maybe Russ has posted sicne then and it's all moot, I don't know yet. Epig, I assume your speculation crumbles if he posts, and you will not believe in your vote any longer?

4. Both of them feel ambivalent about Snowman, or at least felt that way when LC died.

I'm not sure how this makes them Yotsuba, other than LC's possible misdirection by referencing the yellow team in association with Epi. But it does suggest a similar way of thinking/playstyle for the two.

linki: The powers of the thellama are strong indeed :P
linki 2 (Electric Boogaloo): Watch that apostrophe placement, juliets :P
linki 3: IT'S 11 ON A SUNDAY! DON'T YOU KIDS HAVE SCHOOL?!

boo wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

So our last lynch was pretty good. Lets get another baddie today.

That's clearly a demon-possessed llama. Therefore, we should kill llama.

Also, I saw Zomberella with the devil-llama.

No you didn't. Quit exaggerating.

Why are you spending so much time looking for Yotsubas, Boomslang?

Boomslang wrote: I'm not sure how this makes them Yotsuba, other than LC's possible misdirection by referencing the yellow team in association with Epi. But it does suggest a similar way of thinking/playstyle for the two.

Also, there is no yellow team since Yotsuba is clearly orange.

An excellent point Llama. I'm glad I didn't vote for you today.

Ooooh. Errrr. Ooops. I didn't see the devil eyes. Oh well, you all get the idea.

Turnip Head wrote:An excellent point Llama. I'm glad I didn't vote for you today.

I'm so happy we are friends again.

Turnip Head wrote:Why are you spending so much time looking for Yotsubas, Boomslang?

I'm not so much interested in Yotsuba for their own sake as I am in their usefulness to determining Epig's reasoning. I'm trying to figure out if his calling out of Long Con and Juliets was legitimate or diversionary, because both of those players have gone after him pretty hard.

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.

If you are Yotsuba, you have no need to defend yourself. Unless you are Kira.

It seems that most people believe the Yotsubas are like independents except for the Kira one and that independents are as bad or almost as bad as being baddies. From that perspective I feel like I need to defend myself. There's nothing to work with yet though so I'll wait.

Who are these "most people" you refer to? I feel like almost everyone has agreed with Epi that lynching them is not a priority. It is only the fact that he keeps repeating it thta makes it seem like people are arguing with him.

Ok, maybe your'e right and my perception is skewed.

Not really. I have no great trust for yotsubas, but more importantly, how are we supposed to determine yotsubas from anyone else, anyhow, if we did trust them? Just take someone's word for it? Feels like a red herring or something, a distractor.

Anyway, I don't see a case on you yet.

Hey DP! Anything to say?

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:He's got a lot of posts... anything I should be looking for?

Just logic. Any detective in his or her right MIND would be trying to come off as Yotsuba. If Kira don't need Yotsuba dead to win, and detectives don't need Yotsuba dead to win, then it makes the most sense to pretend to be Yotsuba, doesn't it?

You guys.

I never said I think you're Yotsuba. There's a reason I never said that.

By the way, I'm having so much fun this game.

Boomslang wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think Epi might be Kira posing as Yotsuba so that we don't view him as a threat. I also think he might have killed LC.

More importantly, if Epi is Kira, why would he have killed LC, whom he suspected as Yotsuba? From what I understand, Epi views the Yotsuba as a fairly independent team, and if he were Kira, he'd want to focus his fire on detectives. It'd be nice if he could explain his reasoning behind the judgment of LC as Yotsuba, though.

If Epi was Kira, why would anything he says in thread be inherently true?

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.

If you are Yotsuba, you have no need to defend yourself. Unless you are Kira.

It seems that most people believe the Yotsubas are like independents except for the Kira one and that independents are as bad or almost as bad as being baddies. From that perspective I feel like I need to defend myself. There's nothing to work with yet though so I'll wait.

This is what I think, and I'm sure it's pretty correct.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The way I see it, the Yotsuba are a dormant group of neutral players right now.

boo wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

So our last lynch was pretty good. Lets get another baddie today.

That's clearly a demon-possessed llama. Therefore, we should kill llama.

Also, I saw Zomberella with the devil-llama.

Oh dear god, not Bridget again.

Boomslang wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Why are you spending so much time looking for Yotsubas, Boomslang?

I'm not so much interested in Yotsuba for their own sake as I am in their usefulness to determining Epig's reasoning. I'm trying to figure out if his calling out of Long Con and Juliets was legitimate or diversionary, because both of those players have gone after him pretty hard.

Booms, I don't think I have gone after Epi at all. Are you maybe thinking of someone else?

Boomslang wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Why are you spending so much time looking for Yotsubas, Boomslang?

I'm not so much interested in Yotsuba for their own sake as I am in their usefulness to determining Epig's reasoning. I'm trying to figure out if his calling out of Long Con and Juliets was legitimate or diversionary, because both of those players have gone after him pretty hard.

Diversionary how?

Metalmarsh89 wrote: This is what I think, and I'm sure it's pretty correct.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The way I see it, the Yotsuba are a dormant group of neutral players right now.

Just remember, Yotsuba Group, that dormant is only two letters away from doormat. Don't let 'em push you around just because of your ambiguous win conditions and lack of role powers.

I know Epi has gone to bed, but how did he go from this.

Epignosis wrote:That won't happen Boomslang. I have three other people pegged as Yotsuba. I will not talk about them.

To this?

Epignosis wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Epignosis wrote:That won't happen Boomslang. I have three other people pegged as Yotsuba. I will not talk about them.

I completely understand you not wanting to reveal all your cards, especially when indicating people who might eventually get a kill. The claim that you've got three other Yotsuba suspects is at least interesting new intel. I don't expect you to name names, but can you say if you suspect them for the same reasons as you suspected LC? Would give us something to look for in possible rereads.

I firmly believe juliets is Yotsuba.

She'll deny it, and I refuse to give my reasoning, but I think I'm right.