The Syndicate

Well, I'm here and Gible. Gonna catch up soon but I saw too many votes on me for me to not immediately claim to have the cutest Pokémon on the list.

Let me rephrase it, how strong is your read on Timmer? If it was day 4 would your read on him be lynchable?

There's 3 ways non-mechanically to evaluate people. Vote interactions, In-thread contents, and interactions with characters who have flipped.

Granted a no-poster can come in and create in thread content But we'll never get any reads on any interactions on voting and post flip interactions. Everything is cumulative, leaving us at a disadvantage for the sake of "info", the info we get from keeping them alive is less then we get for "wasting" a lynch on a person we have to deal with anyway.

Holding out hope that they'll come in an contribute when they haven't bothered to post one time to even say that they're busy and I'll be back X to catch up is naive.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:22 pm Day 1 votes are the most WIFOMy lynches ever usually takes like 3 votes anyway. On top of that no posters probably haven't evolved or won't evolve.

So even if they're town, not only will they screw up EOD, we're gonna spend most of the game underpowered.

Also, DDL, your answer avoided the question. I said who, not theoretically who. Who do you wish to lynch, Boo Wilgy, Jack, or LC, and what do you think theIR flip will tell you in day 2?

I don't know that answer. Would depend on who votes to whom.

Wait, I saw a post about claiming not being allowed. So mod kill me probably :P.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:23 pm Or what does a Timmer lynch flip tell you?

Will depend on how he defends himself, who defends him, who attacks him, how they attack him.

There is a whole argument that can sprinkle from a Timmer lynch since he's here to defend himself. And there are people who may have read his posts and read him as town, or want to pretend to read him as town.

With an inactive, there is no argument. We just lynch our inactive of choice, and go home peacefully.

Oops.

Among the four you listed I'd lynch LC, because the other three I feel good about right now.

Ok what's up with this load of questions? Geez.

The read is as strong as I said it was.

Is the day almost over already? Oh golly

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:00 pm I'm voting Jack for literally no reason. Sue me.

22 minutes left.

I'm voting jack for realistically no reason. Please give me $8000

Hey guys Tony claimed it. Epi is gonna modkill him but let's not do Epi's job for him. Lynch someone else.

Would you agree that most d1 reads are flimsy at best?

I know you think there's information gleaned, I used to agree with the assessment. Most often day 1 mislynch can create frame fuel as well.

There is some to be gathered yes, but the information we lose by keeping an inactive alive outweighs it.


Then again there's always the potential that I'm spewing this to insulate myself against a Jack flip.

Frankly I am at a point of a crossroads on the inactive issue. I used to be rather against them because they teach us nothing. I've seen so many games ruined, not just because of late game mislynch possibility, but also because it just drains the fun of the game, It's hard to find out if someone is lying to you if they're not talking to you. I just think there has to be an early game happy medium between the two.

Besides he claimed what is probably the strongest pokemon in town. At least videogame-wise.

Now at least I have a good defense: don't kill me, I'm already dead.

I mean TSP could replace in since he is the first one lynched. Unless that's a no go

Isn't cute subjective? Is that really considered claiming? Not a lot of experience with no role claim games, so it's a legit question, not a lawyering question.

Isn't cute subjective? Is that really considered claiming? Not a lot of experience with no role claim games, so it's a legit question, not a lawyering question.

I like lynch drama.

My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.

lol oh Gible...I had no idea that was a claim, I thought it was a typo (Gen 1 purist)

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm Isn't cute subjective? Is that really considered claiming? Not a lot of experience with no role claim games, so it's a legit question, not a lawyering question.

He literally named the pokemon. It's Gible. It evolves into this cute thing:

What a cutie

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.

I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:58 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.

I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.

So you're arguing Epi will just choose not to replace them?

I'm voting timmer to force a random lynch. Because I don't want to vote for Jack for no apparent reason.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:56 pm

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm Isn't cute subjective? Is that really considered claiming? Not a lot of experience with no role claim games, so it's a legit question, not a lawyering question.

He literally named the pokemon. It's Gible. It evolves into this cute thing:

... Is that things back end a second pokemon that it consumed and is in the process of giving some terrifiying birth to? Yikes.

Also another thing I've forgotten to mention: lurker lynches on d1 are incredibly rare.

People like to lynch people they actually suspect.

@Boo

Nah it's just a shark.

Pokemon is a game for all the family.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:59 pm

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:58 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.

I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.

So you're arguing Epi will just choose not to replace them?

I tend not to talk about mod activity, it's viewed as bad form at other places, so as a policy I try to avoid it and just depend on our ability to solve the game ourselves. But, as a mod, I know how hard it is to find a replacement.

Changed my vote, sinc eI don't feel like being dead just yet.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:01 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:59 pm

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:58 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.

I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.

So you're arguing Epi will just choose not to replace them?

I tend not to talk about mod activity, it's viewed as bad form at other places, so as a policy I try to avoid it and just depend on our ability to solve the game ourselves. But, as a mod, I know how hard it is to find a replacement.

I am too. I've hosted 9 games.

2 replacements is doable.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:59 pm

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:58 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.

I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.

So you're arguing Epi will just choose not to replace them?

You're making replacing people sound way easier than it actually is. Especially in a speed game.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:02 pm Changed my vote, sinc eI don't feel like being dead just yet.

I voted for you Day 0, timmer, so I'd rather not vote for you now just to tie it up. I'd hate for you to be a civvie and discover that I wasted a vote on someone who died early.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:27 pm @Fred/LC

Can you explain why that is pingy?

Sure, boo thought about the baddies stacking their votes on each other, which, in some small way, makes me think that he's looking at it from a baddie mindset.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:05 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:02 pm Changed my vote, sinc eI don't feel like being dead just yet.

I voted for you Day 0, timmer, so I'd rather not vote for you now just to tie it up. I'd hate for you to be a civvie and discover that I wasted a vote on someone who died early.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:27 pm @Fred/LC

Can you explain why that is pingy?

Sure, boo thought about the baddies stacking their votes on each other, which, in some small way, makes me think that he's looking at it from a baddie mindset.

That's a terrible excuse coming from you, seeing as you do the same thing.

On top the fact that of course civs look at things from a baddie mindset. How else would they catch them?

It looks like I got lynched, which I guess means I'm double dead.

IT'S TIME TO D-D-D-D DDDDDIE

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:11 pm IT'S TIME TO D-D-D-D DDDDDIE

Inferior card game. Far inferior video game.

Better tv show though.

Feeling better about DDL.

Hate the votes for no reason.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:17 pm Feeling better about DDL.

Hate the votes for no reason.

Your reputation precedes you, Jack

*jazz hands*

Let's see if I can put together something from this fairly straightforward day 1 during tonight.

Can people post their votes on thread? Helps the town imo.

Also helps the mod since no time stamps on votes.

boo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:09 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:27 pm @Fred/LC

Can you explain why that is pingy?

Sure, boo thought about the baddies stacking their votes on each other, which, in some small way, makes me think that he's looking at it from a baddie mindset.

That's a terrible excuse coming from you, seeing as you do the same thing.

On top the fact that of course civs look at things from a baddie mindset. How else would they catch them?

Your defensive OMGUS about it makes me way more suspicious of you, boo. You know what I do when I get a single, near-meaningless vote on Day 1, while others are in the lead? Nothing. I shut up about it. I realize it's not a big deal, and if it becomes a big deal, I take confidence in the fact that I could shut that weak crap down if it comes to it.

You are getting way too upset about it. And calling it a "terrible excuse" actually put you into a real suspicion for me. There is a difference between a "terrible excuse" and a "weak reason". Your use of the former is too forced.

Who isn't the very best like no one ever was?

Poll ended at Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:10 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

boo
1
6%


Voters: Long Con

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dyslexicon
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dom
0
No votes


Voters: None

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
0
No votes


Voters: None

Fredwood
0
No votes


Voters: None

G-Man
0
No votes


Voters: None

Jackofhearts2005
3
17%


Voters: sprityo, Dyslexicon, G-Man

Long Con
1
6%


Voters: boo

MacDougall
1
6%


Voters: Jackofhearts2005

Neverwhere
0
No votes


Voters: None

nutella
1
6%


Voters: Neverwhere

speedchuck
0
No votes


Voters: None

sprityo
0
No votes


Voters: None

timmer
3
17%


Voters: Fredwood, Dragon D. Luffy, TonyStarkPrime

Tink
0
No votes


Voters: None

TonyStarkPrime
4
22%


Voters: Elohcin, DFaraday, timmer, Tink

Ash (The Hosts, the Non, the Dead)
4
22%


Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, nijuukyugou, Epignosis, Simon


Total votes: 18

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:17 pm Feeling better about DDL.

Hate the votes for no reason.

Your reputation precedes you, Jack

*jazz hands*

Sprityo, I just want to be the very best, like no one ever was.

Is that such a crime?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:21 pm

boo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:09 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:27 pm @Fred/LC

Can you explain why that is pingy?

Sure, boo thought about the baddies stacking their votes on each other, which, in some small way, makes me think that he's looking at it from a baddie mindset.

That's a terrible excuse coming from you, seeing as you do the same thing.

On top the fact that of course civs look at things from a baddie mindset. How else would they catch them?

Your defensive OMGUS about it makes me way more suspicious of you, boo. You know what I do when I get a single, near-meaningless vote on Day 1, while others are in the lead? Nothing. I shut up about it. I realize it's not a big deal, and if it becomes a big deal, I take confidence in the fact that I could shut that weak crap down if it comes to it.

You are getting way too upset about it. And calling it a "terrible excuse" actually put you into a real suspicion for me. There is a difference between a "terrible excuse" and a "weak reason". Your use of the former is too forced.

There was a question you ignored. It wasn't rhetorical.

It isn't a weak reason, it is a terrible excuse. A weak reason isn't hypocritical, a terrible excuse is. What you did is hypocritical, and therefore labelling it a weak excuse would be dishonest.

If you wanna call me a hypocrite, then I want you to back it up with an example.