The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:49 am Yes, please. Talk about that.

Well the whole “literally” argument could have just been a distraction ploy from somebody nefarious. You’re the participant who I’d find the likeliest to actively conspire to do a thing like that.

Then there was your general dismissiveness to my attempts to engage you afterwards. It seemed like you were, again, actively conspiring not to talk about reads. That’s something I consider to be bad. I could see you as a baddie trying to take advantage of the thread’s general lack of activity by throwing shade on a player or players who are trying to kickstart actual gameplay. I can see you doing that again in your response to my vote. You don’t seem to object to the vote itself, or at all concerned with my mindset when I made it. You’re just picking at the semantics of my post. I don’t think that’s what’s important about my post. If we’re going to talk about it, we should talk about why my “making things happen” statement is indicative of chocolate.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:03 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:49 am Yes, please. Talk about that.

Well the whole “literally” argument could have just been a distraction ploy from somebody nefarious. You’re the participant who I’d find the likeliest to actively conspire to do a thing like that.

Could have been. Might have been. Was it a ploy?

Was there any serious Day 1 discussion I was fucking up? Did my linguistic debate really foil the civilian plan to thwart mafia right out of the gate?

Get out of the city.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:03 am Then there was your general dismissiveness to my attempts to engage you afterwards. It seemed like you were, again, actively conspiring not to talk about reads. That’s something I consider to be bad. I could see you as a baddie trying to take advantage of the thread’s general lack of activity by throwing shade on a player or players who are trying to kickstart actual gameplay. I can see you doing that again in your response to my vote. You don’t seem to object to the vote itself, or at all concerned with my mindset when I made it. You’re just picking at the semantics of my post. I don’t think that’s what’s important about my post. If we’re going to talk about it, we should talk about why my “making things happen” statement is indicative of chocolate.

Conspiring not to talk about reads? I didn't talk about them because I didn't have any.

You asked me specifically about my JJJ vote.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:58 pm What have I done?

Literally destroyed the thread.

I'm done. I won't talk any further about any of this shit.

What would you like to talk about?

I think you called Jay bad earlier. What’s the deal with that?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:08 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:54 pm
Number three: I'm voting for JaggedJimmyJay.

Let us know why, when you have time. I’m going to cook dinner and take stock of everything after the kids are in bed. You know, because we have that wonderful extra 24 hours to utilize.

No reason.

I quoted myself: No reason.

It was a place to put a vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:16 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:03 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:24 pm What do we all think of sprityo then? He’s the one person who’d done something actually worth talking about in a mafia context.

What'd he do? Make a joke?

Fuck outta here.

I give this answer an F.

Here I asked you a question and you gave my "answer" a thumbs down. I wasn't answering anything.

Then you called me chocolate ice cream or something.

You are bad. I would bet my spoon on it.

The debate about literally kept more serious discussions from emerging.

I asked you about reads and you said nothing and told me to “Fuck outta here.”

You got any reads now that don’t involve me?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:21 am The debate about literally kept more serious discussions from emerging.

I asked you about reads and you said nothing and told me to “Fuck outta here.”

You got any reads now that don’t involve me?

No.

Nutella and Jay voted for Eloh with me. Do you have thoughts on their votes?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:27 am Nutella and Jay voted for Eloh with me. Do you have thoughts on their votes?

They didn't vote Eloh with you. They voted, and you saved your butt and tried to make it sound like you had a plan to get some extra mileage out of it. Baloney ice cream.

It was Day 1. I don't fault people for making the crappy votes they did. When I see a spurious reason for that vote, that's when I get going.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:27 am Nutella and Jay voted for Eloh with me. Do you have thoughts on their votes?

They didn't vote Eloh with you. They voted, and you saved your butt and tried to make it sound like you had a plan to get some extra mileage out of it. Baloney ice cream.

It was Day 1. I don't fault people for making the crappy votes they did. When I see a spurious reason for that vote, that's when I get going.

What plan did I have?

Epi has big dick man disease

It’s the weekend so I’m gonna do vote analysis tomorrow (well technically today)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

RIP Eloh! I had no service at the game so wasnt really able to check in.
I didnt really get where the eloh votes were coming from exactly. It's weird going from such a huge game to such a small game only 3 votes can get someone lynched. I'll have to look more closely at the eloh voters. What was it that led people to vote her? Looks like slooneis reasoning was mostly because he had votes and had to make sure someone else got lynched.

Anyone else have thoughts on the sloonei vs epi debate? Its so early in the game. I was initially inclined to think epi was bad and I remember last game sloonei just throws random accusations around to get some kind of discussion going or reaction from people. Voting to save yourself without a lot of reasoning though is meh especially when they flip civ. Was that an honest mistake or intentionally disguised as a mistake?

Is that just how reywas always interacts? Did I miss something?

So the thread isn't locked at night?

had gotten use to that. Nice to know.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

that's why you gotta force people to talk. or else mafia will coast by on inactive town

cite source: JJJ in Phenon: Origins

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

+ what sorts of things do you look for in scum?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:04 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

that's why you gotta force people to talk. or else mafia will coast by on inactive town

cite source: JJJ in Phenon: Origins

that was my goal by stirring up an argument

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:38 pm + what sorts of things do you look for in scum?

im not really sure
lots of my reads i make are tonebased

so with lots of this offtopic stuff, im lost on reads

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

nutella is a bit iffy rn

neutral -1 i think you guys call it

so during the night we are absolutely allowed to talk about reads and even make them?
thats a big change than what im used to

Also could be dangerous. If you are on then you become a target. I wish my home site locked the thread at night.(thats not a complaint just have gotten use to it playing other places.)

im gonna fully read nutella cus why not

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:17 pm Also could be dangerous. If you are on then you become a target. I wish my home site locked the thread at night.(thats not a complaint just have gotten use to it playing other places.)

i aint afraid

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:14 pm so during the night we are absolutely allowed to talk about reads and even make them?
thats a big change than what im used to

The only rule is no biting!

Well, and everything else in the rules already. But yeah, smoke 'em if you got 'em.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:14 pm so during the night we are absolutely allowed to talk about reads and even make them?
thats a big change than what im used to

Yup. No posting restrictions whatsoever. It's generally quieter at night, but we're not limited in any way.

linki: yeah what the host said

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:32 am And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

*Playing mafia with me is like...

I get a C-.

nutella -
my only scumread rn
do what you want with it if i die

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:22 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

starts here

its a weak scumread but what else can i pull from these few pages lmao

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:28 pm its a weak scumread but what else can i pull from these few pages lmao

/nod

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:22 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

oh and i completely missed the last part

i feel mafia would choose to just step down from whatever argument theyre in rather than push thru it
see (my nutella read)

Looking through the ISO list in alphabetical order. I see literally nothing in Epi’s ISO that makes me want to vote for him Day 2. I am liable to getting snookered by him though, so I’ll make this game a case study in reading him.

Little to read in Jay’s ISO. I’d like him to explain his switch from “sprityo is bad” to “sprityo is good.”

I called out his low-quality post that served as his justification for an Eloh vote before the deadline and it still reads like sloppy work. I see no reason to trust him yet.

Looks like we need to fix MafiaMenace’s ISO link in the OP. Otherwise I won’t be able to read him until I can sit down at a computer.

there is a much easier way to make isos lol

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/phpbb/ ... 00&t={game #}&author={user}

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:56 pm http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... afiaMenace

Lovely. Thank you very much!

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:57 pm there is a much easier way to make isos lol

Code: Select all

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/phpbb/search.php?f=100&t={game #}&author={user}

ebwop

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:22 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:20 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm

was anyone towny? Has anyone been scummy now?

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

oh and i completely missed the last part

i feel mafia would choose to just step down from whatever argument theyre in rather than push thru it
see (my nutella read)

Epignosis is definitely not the type to play a soft or passive scum game. He's a very crafty baddie. He'd stick to his guns.
for whatever that's worth. I'm not saying you need to read him as scum, just that I wouldn't plant a town read on him specifically for that reason.

Let's take a look at all of the posts in which Epignosis tells people they are wrong or acts dismissive of things that they've said (sticking to game-relevant content):
#1
#2
#3
#4
#5
#6
#7
#8
#9
#10
#11
#12
#13
#14
#15


Some of these are fair questions that I don't object to. This also is not a comprehensive list, as I left out some posts that were just continuations of conversations started in other posts on the list. The point I am trying to make, which I've been trying to make for a little while now, is that Epi's general tone in this game is antagonistic. I don't view him as being constructive with his questions or his input. I think this type of content serves to inflame the thread and keep the civilians from forming a cohesive and productive atmosphere. I think Epi is doing this intentionally. I think that's how he would play in a game like this when he's bad. I don't think it's how he would play in a game like this when he'd good. By "a game like this", I mean one that is relatively quiet, lacking on content or power roles, in which the town's success will depend on its ability to work together and eliminate the small team of baddies using nothing but in-thread evidence. By keeping the thread unstable, he makes it that much more difficult for us to do those things.

Lots of culture clash and a sprinkling of excuses through the first half of MafiaMenace’s ISO. Then he gets hung up on the semantics of trustworthiness. His big-dog attitude reminds me of the aggressive nature that others came to this site with when wandering into our bohemian culture from site’s more akin to players strutting around like young bucks. The more he produces game-relevant content, the better I’ll get a feel for him. For now though his ISO leaves him as a tough egg to crack.

Lynching Nutella tomorrow is still on the table for me. Her ISO paints a better picture than some of her individual posts. I’ll let that soak for the rest of the day and see what else happens. Here’s what sits ill with me:

-She overreacted to my literal/not-a-good-look post at Sloonei in a big way. Had she claimed her vote on me was a form of reaction fishing, I might have believed her. Rather, she seemed to go all in, as if she sensed opportunity.

-Asking for the stats on sprityo being bad based on self-voting is also opportunistic. It provides and easy way in or out of working a sprityo train into the mix. It’s not original thought. That kind of data is arbitrary anyway. Nothing ever came of it but it still smells of opportunism.

-After Jay voted for Eloh, Nutella echoed his poor reasonings, thereby generating what appears to be justification for a later Eloh vote.

-Sure enough, Nutella goes back to the low-hanging fruit and votes for Eloh. A sloppy vote built on a foundation of sand.

-She even says she is often wrong about Eloh, preemptively excusing her role in a mislynch.

Look, I get why some may be skeptical of reywaS. What he’s doing is weird and cumbersome to understand at times, which makes it borderline unhelpful in a game this small.

The thing is, though, that I lived this. One of my first games here I posted only in pictures. Granted, I had a reason for it, but I did it as a civvie. There’s no reason to do this kind of thing as a baddie, because, once you do, you can never expect to receive the benefit of the doubt ever again.

While inferring meaning from his posts is difficult, I can find it in some. He disliked Jay’s vote for Eloh and threw shade at Nutella for doing the same.

He’s not a strong civvie read, but as long as he can inject meaningful commentary on the game through his gimmick, he’s not an outright liability. I realize that “I did this sort of thing once and he seems to agree with me on a few player reads” sounds like weaksauce justification for even a low-degree civvie read, but that’s my reality.