The Syndicate

Snow Dog wrote:Yeah it sucks a bit when you run out of things to say

Each night, can check a player's sanity level and PM that info to one person

Can talk to Tony each night.

Mongoose wrote:.gnillet gnieb pu dedne sesnopser eht tub ,teews os saw tI .dab era yeht if enoyreve ksa ot emag siht ni nomiS dah ew hsiw I .noos ni etov ym teg ot gniog ma I os ,rekaerb-eit eht eb ot tnaw t'nod yllaer I ,lleW

I'm here Mongoose! Are you Duncan? If so, I'd like to shunt with you at the narrow gague railway - at the shunting yards.

Nevinera wrote: Who is "Tony"?

Nevinera wrote:Rereading the roles and I noticed this one:

Each night, can check a player's sanity level and PM that info to one person

Anyone at all concerned about that implication?

Simon wrote:

Mongoose wrote:.gnillet gnieb pu dedne sesnopser eht tub ,teews os saw tI .dab era yeht if enoyreve ksa ot emag siht ni nomiS dah ew hsiw I .noos ni etov ym teg ot gniog ma I os ,rekaerb-eit eht eb ot tnaw t'nod yllaer I ,lleW

I'm here Mongoose! Are you Duncan? If so, I'd like to shunt with you at the narrow gague railway - at the shunting yards.

S~V~S wrote:Well, I think that jacks insanity, for instance, would have ratcheted up once he met up with Grady. I am guessing they were potentially set to become the baddie team, perhaps. Again, I think this may be an affinity check.

You seemed to imply that you thought this was a negative power, and I am not sure why that would be. Can you tell me what I am missing?

Mongoose wrote:

Simon wrote:

Mongoose wrote:.gnillet gnieb pu dedne sesnopser eht tub ,teews os saw tI .dab era yeht if enoyreve ksa ot emag siht ni nomiS dah ew hsiw I .noos ni etov ym teg ot gniog ma I os ,rekaerb-eit eht eb ot tnaw t'nod yllaer I ,lleW

I'm here Mongoose! Are you Duncan? If so, I'd like to shunt with you at the narrow gague railway - at the shunting yards.

Hiya Simon! I wasn't Duncan, I was Thomas himself! Glad to see you are still around.

I was Duncan, I died like Night One and am also glad to see you, Simon~

Kate wrote:It seems we have to find Stephen King first and foremost (or at least that should be our first goal). How to do that, I have no idea, but that seems the way to attack this game, no?

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Just in case I get killed tonight (wouldn't surprise me, people like to kill me off, and my discussion is probably not to someone's liking), I want to voice some other thoughts, while I actually have time to do so. I won't get home until after Night 1 is over.

I found Snow Dog's self-vote weird. Why would any civvie be willing to tie himself up for the lead to die? Not sure what this tells me about his alignment at all, but I find it interesting... maybe Snow Dog could be the role who cannot be lynched?

The way yesterday's lynch went down felt kind of strange to me. I realize it's Day 1, and even I had no solid reasoning against anyone, but some people just came on and voted for no reason (Epig, Kate) or for bizarre ones (Vomps). Bullz additionally elucidated that he felt the "case" on Epig was strongest, so I'm curious if he could elaborate on that front, because in terms of actual valid reasons for voting, I hardly saw any yesterday, myself included.

This is not intended to point fingers at anyone (still being cautious on that front, I don't really feel overwhelmingly one person is baddie or anything, though I do have a few people I want to watch in particular), but rather to stimulate discussion.

'Case' was probably too strong of a term. I didn't want to vote for someone else who didn't have a vote given there was a three-way tie, and Epi was the only person in that tie for whom I could see anything resembling a reason to vote.

thellama73 wrote:Everyone has voted and sent in their PMs (except for some optional ones that I doubt will be used today is optional.) Is everyone okay with me ending the Night a little early so I can go out?

Sure.

Zany Dex wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Zany Dex wrote:I think we are looking for someone who is being blendy. Looking at the lowest posters after BWT,

Nevinera 7
Bullzeye 8
vompetti 9

All have twice as many posts than BWT though.

There's a difference between low posting and being blendy IMO. Being blendy means to go along with others and not put yourself out there at all while low posting is just not having much to say.

Yeah I agree,

I did notice MP do a complete 180 on epig when I called him about the grammar nazi comment, that's all I've noticed ATM though.

Nevinera wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, I think that jacks insanity, for instance, would have ratcheted up once he met up with Grady. I am guessing they were potentially set to become the baddie team, perhaps. Again, I think this may be an affinity check.

You seemed to imply that you thought this was a negative power, and I am not sure why that would be. Can you tell me what I am missing?

No, no, not a negative power. I think its existence implies a negative mechanic in the game - 'insanity level' reads to me like a form of accumulating value, not a characterization.
I think that people can, in various ways, get 'insanity points', and that with enough of them we start being forced to do things at night, or join the baddie team (by changing wincon), or something else.
I think that power is intended to be useless at the beginning and get more important later.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Nevinera wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, I think that jacks insanity, for instance, would have ratcheted up once he met up with Grady. I am guessing they were potentially set to become the baddie team, perhaps. Again, I think this may be an affinity check.

You seemed to imply that you thought this was a negative power, and I am not sure why that would be. Can you tell me what I am missing?

No, no, not a negative power. I think its existence implies a negative mechanic in the game - 'insanity level' reads to me like a form of accumulating value, not a characterization.
I think that people can, in various ways, get 'insanity points', and that with enough of them we start being forced to do things at night, or join the baddie team (by changing wincon), or something else.
I think that power is intended to be useless at the beginning and get more important later.

Maybe something like posting backwards is part of the insanification. Certain things that happen to us in the game that we can't control perhaps? I do wonder if this will happen to someone else or if these types of things will be different every day.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I hope someone comes around soon to talk to me about stuff because I'm going to have to make a decision here at some point. I guess I can wait until morning but that doesn't give me much time.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I hope someone comes around soon to talk to me about stuff because I'm going to have to make a decision here at some point. I guess I can wait until morning but that doesn't give me much time.

I am here! You can talk to me!

Zany Dex wrote:I hope if peopl consider voting a 'low poster'. They look at the field of green on the previous page (if you have it set o default)

Zany Dex wrote:I think we are looking for someone who is being blendy. Looking at the lowest posters after BWT,

Nevinera 7
Bullzeye 8
vompetti 9

All have twice as many posts than BWT though.

Vompatti wrote:i vote MP cos i liek grammer

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I hope someone comes around soon to talk to me about stuff because I'm going to have to make a decision here at some point. I guess I can wait until morning but that doesn't give me much time.

I am here! You can talk to me!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Crap. Sorry for all the posts. But I need to go to bed, gotta be up early. Sigh. Hopefully there's more to go off of before I get up. I'm going to sleep on everything as well. Pretty much everyone just seems to be acting like their normal selves, so nothing to write home about, honestly.

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I hope someone comes around soon to talk to me about stuff because I'm going to have to make a decision here at some point. I guess I can wait until morning but that doesn't give me much time.

I am here! You can talk to me!

How was the museum?

Mongoose wrote:Maybe I was voting Zany Dex in the wrong game. Vomps may have voted for you for a nonsense reason, but I don't think it's necessarily incriminating. We were all pretty much flying by the seat of our pants.

Zany Dex, are you bad?

Kate wrote:Llama, shall we lynch the grammar police for you? :P

Mongoose wrote:Oh lordy. Voting time. I sure hope no one votes for him/herself, especially in a game that Llama is hosting!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will be voting for the first person to self-vote.

If that doesn't happen, I'm tempted to vote for Epig for trying too hard to act like the grammar police, but I'm not sure I'll actually act on that desire. I'm sure something better will emerge... I hope.

S~V~S wrote:Death to Nazis, lol~ grammar or otherwise

But srsly GNs are annoying, but not necessarily bad. Also if the host is irked with him, he is less likely to be irked with someone else, like me.

I will not vote for a low poster, or for myself, but I would consider a vote for someone who intentionally does not vote, or who self votes.

Nevinera wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd much rather vote for the lowest poster than for Epig being a grammar Nazi, even though it is annoying. :P

Not sure I'll do that though. However, I will have to vote either tonight or tomorrow morning before work, as I won't be back in time.

Sigh. That's probably me.. I'm just really busy lately!

I'll be extremely overly free in a couple of days when my family goes to Texas for a week;
I'm sure you'll get tired of me posting then!

I'm not really sure what I should be saying though.
I never really know what to do or think until after someone's been lynched -
how people vote on things with no obvious outcome, and how they talk on day 0
just doesn't seem to have much to do with their alignment :-\

You can lynch me if you want though.
I'll probably try to get myself lynched in a few days anyway :-P

Nevinera wrote:From the book (I've seen the movie, but don't remember it clearly), I suspect that the hotel has an ugly win-condition.
(I hope theorizing about wincons we *don't* know is alright, Llama?)

I'm particularly worried about the 'threats' floating around - I suspect that they actually indicate some hidden knowledge about outcomes. There are a couple of characters with 'secrets', and in particular I'm concerned what might happen if we lynch the hotel itself.

(I think the bartender probably has one of those powers that can do various things - most likely with names for each capability based on proper mixed drinks. Cause I don't think Llama could help himself ;-) )

Nevinera wrote:Well, I have very little to work with, and I'm not confident I'll be around before the poll closes, so I'm going to toss one out there.

Snow? I'll vote for you, because I don't think anyone else will. Feel free to vote for me too, it won't bother me.

Snow Dog wrote:I am not voting.

Zany Dex wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I am not voting.

Like you didn't vote yesterday either?

MovingPictures07 wrote: I do think Snow's self-vote was weird, but I can't make heads or tails of that right now at all. Why the hell would anyone want to even do that is beyond me.

Hedgeowl wrote:I am curious why Nev threw himself under the bus in his second post. Why do you want to be lynched?

Hedgeowl wrote:The Overlook cannot be lynched, so do you mean NK'd?

Hedgeowl wrote: This plan clearly didn't work. Forced Snow to try and tie the vote, which somehow protected him? Why would he vote for himself if he was unlynchable? Just to cast doubt?

Mongoose wrote:I really need to read through this entire thread before I am in shape to either converse or vote fairly. I'll be honest, I'm getting my thoughts from the Bioshock game intermingled with this game.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Kate wrote:Llama, shall we lynch the grammar police for you? :P

Was this Kate's reason for voting Epi perhaps?

Mongoose wrote:Oh lordy. Voting time. I sure hope no one votes for him/herself, especially in a game that Llama is hosting!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will be voting for the first person to self-vote.

If that doesn't happen, I'm tempted to vote for Epig for trying too hard to act like the grammar police, but I'm not sure I'll actually act on that desire. I'm sure something better will emerge... I hope.

S~V~S wrote:Death to Nazis, lol~ grammar or otherwise

But srsly GNs are annoying, but not necessarily bad. Also if the host is irked with him, he is less likely to be irked with someone else, like me.

I will not vote for a low poster, or for myself, but I would consider a vote for someone who intentionally does not vote, or who self votes.

It appears that Mongoos, MP, and SVS have declared themselves anti-self-voters. However, Snow's self-vote came too late for MP to act on it. Are you considering a vote for Snow today, MP, Mongoose, or SVS?

Zany Dex wrote:@MP,that post about the sea of green was in jest because of people pointing it out in your game, another joke for all the 'low poster day one hate' we have been having lately. I like to jest

Nice post on Nev, hedgeowl, I look forward to his response.

Snow Dog wrote:I am not voting.

Nevinera wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: I do think Snow's self-vote was weird, but I can't make heads or tails of that right now at all. Why the hell would anyone want to even do that is beyond me.

I don't know that it applies here, but one reason someone might want to self-vote is if lynching does not kill them, and they want people to know that. In Thomas, I was constantly surprised that snow wasn't working to get lynched - it's about the only way one can convey information about ones own role without breaking any rules.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, here we are. Dex's explanation makes sense, Nev's explanation makes sense, I suppose, and Kate still hasn't come back to explain her vote. Vomps's vote is ADDITIONALLY unexplained and bothersome.

MovingPictures07 wrote:However, I'm really at a loss. I don't want to vote any of this players because no one is really exhibiting behavior that indicates something strong about their alignment in a seemingly negative way, even though there are some weird decisions and lacks of explanation. But Snow Dog is apparently hellbent on not playing this game, and I can't be bothered to psyche myself out playing WIFOM with myself all day -- it's possible he's playing this whole thing just to screw with all of us just as much as it is that he benefits from being lynched.

votes Snow Dog

MovingPictures07 wrote:Kate, did you ever explain your vote at all? I don't remember seeing a response to my question.

Vompatti wrote:Also, I'm not buying this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:However, I'm really at a loss. I don't want to vote any of this players because no one is really exhibiting behavior that indicates something strong about their alignment in a seemingly negative way, even though there are some weird decisions and lacks of explanation. But Snow Dog is apparently hellbent on not playing this game, and I can't be bothered to psyche myself out playing WIFOM with myself all day -- it's possible he's playing this whole thing just to screw with all of us just as much as it is that he benefits from being lynched.

votes Snow Dog

I don't know why Snowy would want everyone to know that he cannot be lynched, but assuming that he really cannot be lynched (which seems more likely to me than the opposite) it would be pointless to vote for him unless for some reason you don't want anyone lynched.

Even if there's a slight chance he's pulling a trick on us wouldn't you rather go for someone else at this point if you honestly wanted to lynch a baddie?

Kate wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Also, I'm not buying this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:However, I'm really at a loss. I don't want to vote any of this players because no one is really exhibiting behavior that indicates something strong about their alignment in a seemingly negative way, even though there are some weird decisions and lacks of explanation. But Snow Dog is apparently hellbent on not playing this game, and I can't be bothered to psyche myself out playing WIFOM with myself all day -- it's possible he's playing this whole thing just to screw with all of us just as much as it is that he benefits from being lynched.

votes Snow Dog

I don't know why Snowy would want everyone to know that he cannot be lynched, but assuming that he really cannot be lynched (which seems more likely to me than the opposite) it would be pointless to vote for him unless for some reason you don't want anyone lynched.

Even if there's a slight chance he's pulling a trick on us wouldn't you rather go for someone else at this point if you honestly wanted to lynch a baddie?

Maybe he's just trying to WIFOM us. If he is the role that can't be lynched it would be ridiculous for him to try to get lynched because he's setting himself up for a nk. If he wants votes for some other purpose that we are not privy to, and he is this blatent about it, he is also setting himself up for a nk if he gets them. My theory is that he is trying to appear to want votes so that we will all say "I"m not giving votes to anyone who's asking for them..." and then, he evades lynch. Thoughts on that?