The Syndicate

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:12 am Is there a way to make the ISO feature work in the ascending direction without it breaking every time you try to change pages?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:06 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:00 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:55 am Well that's unfortunate.

What do you think of the reasons I gave for town reading falcon?

Farty.

I laughed.

Why do you read me as town if my town read on your suspect is farty?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:14 am I actually used that because you used it to describe my post and I though it was funny.

I just looked at it.

I think my thing was seeing him vote you and Michelle, mainly Michelle, and thinking it was bad.

Your townread on him I can maybe see from your POV with how he was reading you specifically.
Though I think the "Voting him until he creates a towncore" kind of just feels like a fake thing to use just to set a bar however high he wants and not give credit.

I'm back and forth on the read itself I'll have to see him a second go around.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:14 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:12 am Is there a way to make the ISO feature work in the ascending direction without it breaking every time you try to change pages?

There's a way to tweak the URL to flip it right-side up (and I think it stays that way), but I always forget how to do it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:14 am @Wiml do you have any reads on Kate and/or Epignosis?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.

Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:14 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:06 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:00 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:55 am Well that's unfortunate.

What do you think of the reasons I gave for town reading falcon?

Farty.

I laughed.

Why do you read me as town if my town read on your suspect is farty?

I actually used that because you used it to describe my post and I though it was funny.

I just looked at it.

I think my thing was seeing him vote you and Michelle, mainly Michelle, and thinking it was bad.

Your townread on him I can maybe see from your POV with how he was reading you specifically.
Though I think the "Voting him until he creates a towncore" kind of just feels like a fake thing to use just to set a bar however high he wants and not give credit.

I'm back and forth on the read itself I'll have to see him a second go around.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:22 am I can remember many

Let me go find them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost7065338

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost7065348

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost7065633

Here is a progression that exactly mirrors my read here. I was wrong about DDS but very much right about the 1 in 4

I'm too lazy to go dig around FoL for games but if you want more I will find them

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:44 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again

Truth be told, my biggest takeaway from that sequence wasn't "Abigail is suspicious", but instead it was "Michelle is making sound points and seems authentic". This is kind of the nature of teamwork, as I see it.

I do think it's plausible that LC followed the wave, since his reduced town read followed directly from mine. So that could be called fishy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:46 am @Michelle do you still read falcon as town?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.

Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.

I can vouch for this tell being a thing that town-Abi would absolutely believe in, even if I also can't think of a specific time she's made this read otoh.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:46 am @Michelle do you still read falcon as town?

I wouldn't bet the game on it rn, but I wouldn't vote him either. I need more content from him.
Vibe test was good but it's not enough.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.

Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.

I can vouch for this tell being a thing that town-Abi would absolutely believe in, even if I also can't think of a specific time she's made this read otoh.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:26 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.

Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.

I can vouch for this tell being a thing that town-Abi would absolutely believe in, even if I also can't think of a specific time she's made this read otoh.

I'm kinda known for it on FoL and MU xD

Enough that I've been pushed for not using it on FoL

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:26 am I still think Abigail seems more town than not, just as a general impression of the ways she has received and answered suspicion.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:29 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.

Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.

I can vouch for this tell being a thing that town-Abi would absolutely believe in, even if I also can't think of a specific time she's made this read otoh.

Like many players, when wolfing, she tries to mimick her town game. The fact town her goes for a mafia in first wagon doesn't mean scum her wouldn't try the same tactic

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:23 am I interpreted Lime Coke's "scared" as a lighthearted (so, "jokey") way of expressing a genuine sentiment -- unease about Wiml.

Yes I like to use the "I'm scared" thing as a joke in moments and in the tone of me trying to act tough or like I'm about to do something huge.

The shift tends to get people since they don't expect it.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:22 am

Is there a reason you had an issue with falcon voting Michelle but not me doing the same?

I sa in atm it

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:32 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:29 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.

Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.

I can vouch for this tell being a thing that town-Abi would absolutely believe in, even if I also can't think of a specific time she's made this read otoh.

Like many players, when wolfing, she tries to mimick her town game. The fact town her goes for a mafia in first wagon doesn't mean scum her wouldn't try the same tactic

Fully agree, just vouching that it's not wolf-indicative of her.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:38 am Brad you changed playstyle. Just noticed it but I think I was aware since the league game.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:44 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again

Truth be told, my biggest takeaway from that sequence wasn't "Abigail is suspicious", but instead it was "Michelle is making sound points and seems authentic". This is kind of the nature of teamwork, as I see it.

I do think it's plausible that LC followed the wave, since his reduced town read followed directly from mine. So that could be called fishy.

I mean... maybe but I don't even think the reasoning was that sound Michelle was just looking for a reason to omgus me

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:36 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:32 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:29 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.

Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.

I can vouch for this tell being a thing that town-Abi would absolutely believe in, even if I also can't think of a specific time she's made this read otoh.

Like many players, when wolfing, she tries to mimick her town game. The fact town her goes for a mafia in first wagon doesn't mean scum her wouldn't try the same tactic

Fully agree, just vouching that it's not wolf-indicative of her.

It's more than that though.
The agreement with Jay that you and me are oposed alignment looks pockety and false in the 'one in these 4 players is a wolf but not me' worldview.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:40 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:38 am Brad you changed playstyle. Just noticed it but I think I was aware since the league game.

Is it that different?

Like I got rid of the massive hard defending... which I'll still do every now and then but a lot less rage.

My read collecting style might be different and I actually make pushes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:38 am If I try to provide a more concrete rainbow that isn't just dichotomized for a POE pool:

falcon45ca
Michelle
--
Kate
Epignosis
--
Abigail
Wiml
--
DrWilgy
Quin
Roxy
Lime Coke

Names are still not ordered within individual colors. In this case, the bottom four form a default "POE pool" that leaves room for one of the names above to drop back in if necessary. I will try not to get too absorbed into this world view (I acknowledge my rationale for each read isn't extremely thorough yet), but it's going to stagnate as long as the thread is dominated by a subset of high-activity posters. That's no slight on the folks that haven't gotten deeply involved yet; I understand time is a limited resource.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:46 am I might have missed over you talking about it but I'd appreciate your own opinion on Kate and Epi.

They're two players you probably know way better than I do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:51 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:46 am I might have missed over you talking about it but I'd appreciate your own opinion on Kate and Epi.

They're two players you probably know way better than I do.

I want to let Epignosis continue to do his thing a little bit before I expand on my perspective (for his sake).

As for Kate, I liked her explanation for her falcon read. I would like to see more though. The value of that moment will degrade with time in the absence of something else.

Also, I should say that I know Epi "well", in that I have played a ton of games with him -- but both he and I play much less often than we used to, so it's been a while. I don't actually know Kate that well. I have spectated some, but this might be our first game together.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:38 am I like Epi's push on Abigail (irrespective of Abigail's alignment).

I think the reasoning is understandable and I can believe that Epi believes in what he's pushing with the intensity he has.

Otherwise, I don't have a lot to say on his posting.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:43 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:44 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again

Truth be told, my biggest takeaway from that sequence wasn't "Abigail is suspicious", but instead it was "Michelle is making sound points and seems authentic". This is kind of the nature of teamwork, as I see it.

I do think it's plausible that LC followed the wave, since his reduced town read followed directly from mine. So that could be called fishy.

I mean... maybe but I don't even think the reasoning was that sound Michelle was just looking for a reason to omgus me

I take that you consider my vote on you fabricated. Give me details

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:19 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:43 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:44 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again

Truth be told, my biggest takeaway from that sequence wasn't "Abigail is suspicious", but instead it was "Michelle is making sound points and seems authentic". This is kind of the nature of teamwork, as I see it.

I do think it's plausible that LC followed the wave, since his reduced town read followed directly from mine. So that could be called fishy.

I mean... maybe but I don't even think the reasoning was that sound Michelle was just looking for a reason to omgus me

I take that you consider my vote on you fabricated. Give me details

I think that you are accusing me of things you are actively doing far more than I am wrt pocketing specifically

And I do not believe you believe your reasons for voting me when you have seen me play before.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:18 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:38 am I like Epi's push on Abigail (irrespective of Abigail's alignment).

I think the reasoning is understandable and I can believe that Epi believes in what he's pushing with the intensity he has.

Otherwise, I don't have a lot to say on his posting.

The reasoning that I lied about something excessively innocuous for no reason as wolf is understandable?

Cause I do not see it.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:20 am Bleh I need more towns

Be towny.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.

Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:30 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.

Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?

I realise that I misread this post from Abigail initially and it's nowhere near as bad as I had initially thought it was on my first viewing.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:10 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:20 am Bleh I need more towns

Be towny.

Where's your head at currently?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:30 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.

Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?

I realise that I misread this post from Abigail initially and it's nowhere near as bad as I had initially thought it was on my first viewing.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:39 am Another dumb how to use the site question but is there a mobile-friendly way to post the vote count polls as text in the thread?

Assuming the answer is yes since Michelle did so earlier.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:38 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:30 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.

Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?

I realise that I misread this post from Abigail initially and it's nowhere near as bad as I had initially thought it was on my first viewing.

Can you please explain more about your first take and the way you see that post now?