Re: Assassins in the Palace [Day 1]
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:33 pm
But Day 1 is still "G1!" shit so [VOTE:
nutella] aubergine for not recognizing my amazing Peaky Blinders entrance.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:03 pm Very concerned about how Foxy keeps mentioning me. ToT Feels like he is buddying. And I don't understand his fixation on Thunal. So, I am voting him as my most sussed person atm. [VOTE: Foxy] aubergine
Scotty seems the most towny to me.
daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:05 pm Made it a tie to try and save His Majesty Long Con.
I tried and tried, but the Silmarillion defeated mefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:03 pmFingolfin ended in single combat against Morgoth, where he hewed the Dark Lord seven times, and seven times did he injure Morgoth. Alas, Fingolfin could not kill Morgoth and grew weary; in his last act of defiance stabbed the Dark Lord in the foot, who would thereafter walk with a limp, before being killed by MorgothS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:04 pm So are we random voting? And then we coalesce? Did we decide on a strategy? I'll go back and read, but have only skimmed so far.
And of LC's smilies I likebest. Of the rest, I like
And to whoever said it,
reminds me of Epi, too.
@falcon45ca the Silmarillion was a hard read for me; I recall how Fingolfin started but for the life of me can't recall how he ended.
The Silmarillion is like reading a textbook almost, I had to change my mindset to read it
Thoughts on Foxy?
The host will just add a condition to vote scum out but nice idea hahahJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:37 pm Hear me out. We go no yeet forever and either the assassins are forced to make the most inaccurate possible shots or we're stuck in a holding pattern wherein the king never dies and I'd count that as a win.
We'll see sir (I am too lazy to do it)Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:45 pmNah, don't do that. Booooring! I'm exactly like I am here in them.![]()
I agree that that lottery aspect is lame. I've never been one of the "winning is everything" peopleEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 pm I'm off work and caught up.
I read the wiki page previously and have thought about it.
"However, it still allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery."
There's no distinct advantage about "little more than a lottery." I'm a gambler, and I don't do lottery.![]()
Nevertheless, the presence of two assassins (instead of one) changes the dynamic and provides a little more to work with than blind chance.
It's a little more like finding the damn Destroyer in Battleship.
Sir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:51 pmDid you not read my first post?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:14 pmGlad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:31 pmHow many Maf have you caught w/ this question?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:05 amThunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:06 pm Hi everyone!
This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.
If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.
But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?
I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer
I like you sir.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:37 pmThe Con of Long doth protest too muchLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:52 pm Everyone just act normal. They won't even dare try to kill me, because of the audacity of the actual King revealing himself openly like this. The more I normalize it, the less-inclined they will be to kill me. You guys can call me Your Majesty if you like. It's okay. I know how their minds work.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Nah, the only reason people played lotto in that game is because there was only 1 scum so there was no reason not to. Here, scum are MUCH more easy to influence opinion as they are the only legit team here. On the other hand, they will have to do usual scum tactics as well, whether they want to or not. It's actually quite simple. This is a game of who is better at hiding your partner. 10 town or 2 scum. I veto random voting and if you guys hate it, just vote me out. I have other projects I have to deal with anyway so I don't mind.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:20 pmThat's all i plan to talk about from here on out. Fun stuff. I'll possibly vote suspicions, but possibly wontFoxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:16 pmI like King and Queen over Emperor/Empressfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:36 pm I think I'd rather have an Emperor/Empress over King/Queen
Just feels like there's more granduer, ya know?
That aside, sir, your contribution to the game has been very limited to the flavor(<-- Love this one, too).
If, though, a compelling reason comes up to do otherwise, I'll be open to it. As of now, though, I think putting as little info out into the universe as possible seems wise.
Instead I'll post some haiku about silence.
The silence speaks well,
how time passes seamlessly...
moment to moment!
And from yesterday,
to the day called tomorrow...
we'll live out our lives!...
this...S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:29 pm I went random of the people who don't have votes, and got [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine . I'll be back maybe later, maybe just for my usual predawn post, and I'll move it if need be. Since it now seems the King can die in a tie, I'll vote to protect him from that.
honest to god this was funny af and it was also smart hahahahfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:46 pm I suppose now would be a good time to check my role card, eh?
I used it for physics and electrotechnics for my college. I'd rather have asked a child. At least it wouldn't mislead me...daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:52 pmToT ChatGPT is pretty good, lately. Have you tried the latest ver? It's good at even word problems in areas of physics and chem.Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:27 pmTrust me, I tried using chatgpt for school and projects. It's math is equal to a 5 year old kid's at times. Worst part is, it does well in disguising it but it in fact usually calculates wrongThunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:05 pmNo you're fine, I just had to think through if I wanted to engage.Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:07 pm0. I was asking if I was personally making you feel uncomfy hahah as you didn't seem engaging at the start. Glad that's not the case.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:04 pmI don’t think this discussion is too bad because it kind of continues what’s already there so idt we’re giving the assassins much new info. Giving lots of reads is what we have to be most careful of.Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:52 amJust to check in, you don't feel uncomfortable with me engaging in this discussion more as I sure do have questions to ask?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:50 am
No hard feelings, this isn’t the first time people have disagreed with the way I play and it’s not the first time people have scumread me for it. In response to one of your questions no, I’m not mafia.
And I’m actually trying to figure out the answers to some of your earlier questions because while my strategy is a good idea for 6 player AITP I kind of want to see how it translates to 13 player AITP and if it’s any different.
It looks like about a 70% chance town is able to kill both assassins before they reach parity if we eliminate by random (because I’m a nerd and felt like making a script for it). We can use the info we already have and any new info to increase that chance, but we’re already in a pretty good spot for eliminating both assassins. The assassins aren’t in such a good spot from the start, they have to get more info to be able to make good shots.
And Avalon does have a ranking system and sometimes tournaments but I’ve never played one.
1. What makes you believe that eliminations will be random?
2. Can you show me the process behind the calculations?
3. Oh nice, I might check out the game.
1. I don't but it can be an okay baseline to get an idea of town's chances.
2. Open up Python and ask ChatGPT to write some code. My understanding is that it recursively computes probabilities until all the mafia are eliminated or mafia reach parity. Kind of similar to these calculations but not the same since this game has no night kills. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... EV_Project
Okie, scotty is town then.daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:03 pm Very concerned about how Foxy keeps mentioning me. ToT Feels like he is buddying. And I don't understand his fixation on Thunal. So, I am voting him as my most sussed person atm. [VOTE: Foxy] aubergine
Scotty seems the most towny to me.
I literally explained how it's likely for scum to reach final few with random voting. And then I just explained how it's probable that it won't be random voting cuz you know, they are actually a team.daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:11 pm I would be down for some big brained mech idea, if I understand its efficacy.
+1 sirEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 pm I'm off work and caught up.
I read the wiki page previously and have thought about it.
"However, it still allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery."
There's no distinct advantage about "little more than a lottery." I'm a gambler, and I don't do lottery.![]()
Nevertheless, the presence of two assassins (instead of one) changes the dynamic and provides a little more to work with than blind chance.
It's a little more like finding the damn Destroyer in Battleship.
Sir, did you not read the second sentence of that post?S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 5:50 amI tried and tried, but the Silmarillion defeated mefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:03 pmFingolfin ended in single combat against Morgoth, where he hewed the Dark Lord seven times, and seven times did he injure Morgoth. Alas, Fingolfin could not kill Morgoth and grew weary; in his last act of defiance stabbed the Dark Lord in the foot, who would thereafter walk with a limp, before being killed by MorgothS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:04 pm So are we random voting? And then we coalesce? Did we decide on a strategy? I'll go back and read, but have only skimmed so far.
And of LC's smilies I likebest. Of the rest, I like
And to whoever said it,
reminds me of Epi, too.
@falcon45ca the Silmarillion was a hard read for me; I recall how Fingolfin started but for the life of me can't recall how he ended.
The Silmarillion is like reading a textbook almost, I had to change my mindset to read it
Thoughts on Foxy?![]()
I have complex thoughts on Foxy, I want to reread them today when I have time at work. They made that one post about, "Oh we know who the king is?" and while *I KNOW* that slips barely happen, "barely" isn't never. I tend to distrust people who try (or seem to try) to steer a thread, and I tend to push back against them and find that sus. Thats a me thing, not a Foxy thing. I'm ambivalent, it could also be they are at a new site and want to jump in with both feet. This is why I generally make it my policy not to vote new people day 1, so they can get their feet under them, and I can get past human nature; "Different = bad!!!!"
Other than that I have no thoughts at all on any topic.
Since I'm prolly one of them, and i love reading about myself (who doesn't??) I'll help you out.
I'll do it later. I'm totally not lazy. Totally.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:02 amSince I'm prolly one of them, and i love reading about myself (who doesn't??) I'll help you out.
At the top of the page you'll see "
Board index> Active Mafia Games>The Heist
Click on "The Heist"
You''ll see the subforum. In the "Assassins in the palace" thread, you'll see the number of posts (at this time it's 276). Click on that number, and that lists all the isos by post count. Clicking on the individual post # brings you to that persons posts in thread.
I mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:07 am I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?
Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.
Boy do I have some bad news for you.Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:11 amI mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:07 am I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?
Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.
oh, so it was that simple. Thanks!
Mind explaining?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:13 amBoy do I have some bad news for you.Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:11 amI mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:07 am I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?
Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.![]()
Agreed.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:14 am Yeah, 12 vs 3 was the standard when I first started many centuries ago so 11 vs 2 does seem pretty townsided.
Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:34 am Okay, preliminary thoughts:
Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.
Need to reread: Longcon
Aye sir, good decisionScotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:25 amFoxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:34 am Okay, preliminary thoughts:
Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.
Need to reread: Longcon![]()
I feel like keeping you alive for as long as possible is best for town’s interest
Then at the risk of redundancy, for which folks are often downsized, I AM TOWN!Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:17 amSir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:51 pmDid you not read my first post?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:14 pmGlad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:31 pmHow many Maf have you caught w/ this question?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:05 amThunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:06 pm Hi everyone!
This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.
If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.
But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?
I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer
I started entering my MU turbos with I AM TOWN! because of you.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:03 amThen at the risk of redundancy, for which folks are often downsized, I AM TOWN!Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:17 amSir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:51 pmDid you not read my first post?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:14 pmGlad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:31 pmHow many Maf have you caught w/ this question?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:05 amThunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:06 pm Hi everyone!
This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.
If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.
But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?
I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer
Okie, consider yourself added to the town reads.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:03 amThen at the risk of redundancy, for which folks are often downsized, I AM TOWN!Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:17 amSir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:51 pmDid you not read my first post?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:14 pmGlad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:31 pmHow many Maf have you caught w/ this question?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:05 amThunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:06 pm Hi everyone!
This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.
If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.
But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?
I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer
Have you heard of POE?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:06 am I'll also add that being an outed guard isn't that much better than being dead in this setup. If the assassins know not to shoot you, that's one person they can eliminate from their pool for the rest of the game. I think it's a little better than being dead because you can still help town with your vote and the assassins can still tinfoil you, but it sure isn't good.
Okay, this is interesting, elaborateThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:07 amI started entering my MU turbos with I AM TOWN! because of you.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:03 amThen at the risk of redundancy, for which folks are often downsized, I AM TOWN!Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:17 amSir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:51 pmDid you not read my first post?Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:14 pmGlad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:31 pmHow many Maf have you caught w/ this question?
I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer