The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:34 pm**

Canucklehead wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:Yowza. Chattiness explosion.

I'm not super inclined to put too much stock into Day 0 actions as far as baddie hunting goes...I'm not sure the baddie teams would really risk drawing attention to themselves in order to get a title that, for all we know, might be a detriment rather than a boon to their gameplan. If I'm going to be trying to find baddies based on Day 0 actions, I'm much more inclined to be looking for people who were shirking the vote/not trying to be named leader/being overly effusive about "thinking it through" and "making the right choice for the town"...
However, I don't really have time to do a Day 0 read right now, so I'll just leave that for someone else to do if they desire. Long story short, I don't think Sorsha's puppy campaign really paints her in a baddie light. As for SVS, I'm more on the fence. It didn't stand out to me at the time, and I'm not sure if the case against SVS works if I don't also think Sorsha is bad, so I dunno.
Glad to see lots of talking, though.....even if it means I'm going to have a terrible time keeping up!

DH: Is there anything that you can tell us about what your duties as leader are? I'm guessing the host has forbidden it, but just in case..

Linki linki linki......
Good job puppies don't enter into my suspicions of Sorsha then. Do you really not see her painting herself as an obvious civvie as suspicious in any way? I can sort of see what you're saying about day zero actions but at the same time if you come into day one ignoring day zero then it may as well not have happened.
I think the post you're responding to actually contains the response to you (rhetorical? can't tell) question. No, I do not find Sorsha's Day 0 actions suspicious.

As for ignoring Day 0, I am defintely inclined to do that, in this game and in most games. I'm also often inclined to ignore Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4.....

Hmmmmm.....I actually might not really understand how mafia works...

Legit question, not rhetorical. I'm genuinely curious about other people's suspicions of basically anyone at all. Like I think Sorsha is suspicious for her actions but if every single other player were to turn around and call me an idiot for thinking it then I might be inclined to reconsider. Why ignore day zero though? I get what you say about baddies taking risks and stuff but it has happened several times. I screwed up big time in Pokemon mafia on Hedville by pushing my baddie team's day zero option too strongly and I'm not the only person to ever have done that.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:36 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Certainly feels like one of those Day 1s where people will just vote near the end without much reason beyond "randomized" or "didn't want to miss the vote."

Don't want to miss the vote.
*Randomized*

My suspicion coming shortly---

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:37 pm**

Hey Roxy-

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:43 pm**

Roxy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Certainly feels like one of those Day 1s where people will just vote near the end without much reason beyond "randomized" or "didn't want to miss the vote."
Don't want to miss the vote.
*Randomized*

My suspicion coming shortly---

Made me check the poll then to see who you'd randomly voted for! :P

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:49 pm**

I wonder how many missed votes there will be.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:50 pm**

I'm gonna vote for Sorsha now. Apart from the evidence against her, she did not seem all that interested in defending herself.

As a side note, I'm obviously hoping that this is not the case, but if Sorsha flips civvie it will be the funniest thing to happen in mafia since Ambray outed her entire team.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:52 pm**

Just out of curiosity, DH, would S~V~S have been your second choice if you got two votes?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:53 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Just out of curiosity, DH, would S~V~S have been your second choice if you got two votes?

Her, maybe hedgeowl, maybe boogs, IDK.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:54 pm**

Epignosis wrote:I wonder how many missed votes there will be.

None, hopefully. Nine, pessimistically. I shall be an optimist for once and hope the majority of players get in to vote before the deadline.

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm gonna vote for Sorsha now. Apart from the evidence against her, she did not seem all that interested in defending herself.

As a side note, I'm obviously hoping that this is not the case, but if Sorsha flips civvie it will be the funniest thing to happen in mafia since Ambray outed her entire team.

This happened? How did I miss that?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:59 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Boogs wrote:This game is cray cray lol. I am off today trying to catch up and I don't know what to make of everything lol. I'm not sure to continue thinking Sorsha for the Day 0 vote was really her playing dumb or if she was really just confused. And I'm not sure what to make of SVS voting for her, I think it's ballsy that early to vote for a teammate when most of us were self voting. But it looked like DH won? I don't see the poll so I must have missed before it ended. Because if people wanted to bring up that maybe SVS was in cahoots with Sorsha, then wouldn't the same be said for DH voters? If anyone has the poll results that would help us all
I was waiting for this redirection.

I agree it looks as if Boogs was trying to redirect suspicion to you and your voters. Very nose twitching.

Hedgeowl wrote:Alrighty then this is a chatty game! Honestly, I read the Sorsha SVS Puppygate as the hilarious Day 0 event that it was and nothing more. I would look at Sorsha the most for being so Gungho about wanting to be a leader, but yeah SVS even shared pics of her dog and cat, so obviously this got "personal" I would say and would definitely not be the SVS baddie strategy some of us are used to.

Hedgeowl wrote:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<snipsy of over-quoting>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Basically, I think it's pretty funny that one of her claims to be voted the leader was that she is so easy to read, which is one of the reason people are "reading" her as a potential baddie. I haven't decided myself how I feel about her since I also am a big fan of puppies.

Seems you are one of "people" "reading" her as a potential baddie you said as much in your first post. You seem to like straddling the fence here.

You first say you would "look at Sorsha" for being gung-ho then you say it is a reason "people" are "reading" her as a baddie. Then you say you haven't decided how you feel.

Seems to me you have made your mind up yet you want to leave yourself an out.

Hedge's posts here feel slippery to me. Its what I am looking at today and my gut and nose twitches make me think I am right.

Epignosis wrote:Hey Roxy-

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:01 pm**

Keterman's big post on S~V~S, combined with what I've said, makes S~V~S my primary choice for today, but I can wait to vote and see what she has to say. I'm a nice guy.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:03 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Keterman's big post on S~V~S, combined with what I've said, makes S~V~S my primary choice for today, but I can wait to vote and see what she has to say. I'm a nice guy.

Oh really? Since when? :P

I feel similarly, Sorsha is my primary target but I'd like to give her a chance to respond to my opinions before I vote.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:04 pm**

Also -

@Bullz

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:04 pm**

Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Keterman's big post on S~V~S, combined with what I've said, makes S~V~S my primary choice for today, but I can wait to vote and see what she has to say. I'm a nice guy.
Oh really? Since when? :P

Like, since forever ago.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:15 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Keterman's big post on S~V~S, combined with what I've said, makes S~V~S my primary choice for today, but I can wait to vote and see what she has to say. I'm a nice guy.
Oh really? Since when? :P
Like, since forever ago.

Practically the most modest player in the game as well right?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:18 pm**

Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Keterman's big post on S~V~S, combined with what I've said, makes S~V~S my primary choice for today, but I can wait to vote and see what she has to say. I'm a nice guy.
Oh really? Since when? :P
Like, since forever ago.
Practically the most modest player in the game as well right?

Maybe.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:19 pm**

inre: to other suspicions -

Sorsha - I did not like how she came out begging for votes. I said I would not vote for anyone "begging" for votes. If people do not think baddies would put themselves out there like this they are crazy

I put a hammer vote onto my poll choice to ensure I got a second recruit quickly when I was playing the Ultra-Morph in LC and BR's recruitment game on RM. So it does happen - even by people you don't think would do that as a baddie. Her defense has left a lot to be desired. I mean "people are going to see what they want to see" is not really a defense imo.

SVS - I am horrible at reading her but I really am much more suspicious of Sorsha than SVS. Her defense that she had limited time and put her focus on Fight Club was easily looked at and confirmed (by myself looking and checking). Yet she has not come out with any of her own suspicions and that is what twitched my nose about SVS. I will admit I am riding the fence here a bit but tbh I do not feel the gut reaction to her posts that I felt with Hedgeowl or Boogs for that matter.

linky- just agree you both <3 each other and hug it out

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:21 pm**

Question time! Where is everyone? Who are you all suspicious of/going to vote for and why?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:22 pm**

Bullz, Epi -neither of you have anything thing to say or add about my Hedgeowl post?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:23 pm**

Roxy wrote:Bullz, Epi -neither of you have anything thing to say or add about my Hedgeowl post?

Nothing at the moment. I'm thinking it over, promise.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:23 pm**

Roxy wrote:inre: to other suspicions -

Sorsha - I did not like how she came out begging for votes. I said I would not vote for anyone "begging" for votes. If people do not think baddies would put themselves out there like this they are crazy I put a hammer vote onto my poll choice to ensure I got a second recruit quickly when I was playing the Ultra-Morph in LC and BR's recruitment game on RM. So it does happen - even by people you don't think would do that as a baddie. Her defense has left a lot to be desired. I mean "people are going to see what they want to see" is not really a defense imo.

SVS - I am horrible at reading her but I really am much more suspicious of Sorsha than SVS. Her defense that she had limited time and put her focus on Fight Club was easily looked at and confirmed (by myself looking and checking). Yet she has not come out with any of her own suspicions and that is what twitched my nose about SVS. I will admit I am riding the fence here a bit but tbh I do not feel the gut reaction to her posts that I felt with Hedgeowl or Boogs for that matter.

linky- just agree you both <3 each other and hug it out

Roxy, we're just playing :P He knows he's my favourite Epignosis on the entire internet. For some reason I didn't get linki on this post but there you go. Thanks for your contributions, I think your point about Sorsha's defense is very damning for her really.

Linki - I will take a look now and get back to you!

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:27 pm**

Roxy wrote:
Seems you are one of "people" "reading" her as a potential baddie you said as much in your first post. You seem to like straddling the fence here.

You first say you would "look at Sorsha" for being gung-ho then you say it is a reason "people" are "reading" her as a baddie. Then you say you haven't decided how you feel.

Seems to me you have made your mind up yet you want to leave yourself an out.

Hedge's posts here feel slippery to me. Its what I am looking at today and my gut and nose twitches make me think I am right.

Seems like you make some decent points here. She definitely seems to be both accusing and not accusing Sorsha at the same time if you see what I mean. Sort of like you said, she's trying to leave herself an out almost while still saying Sorsha stands a chance of being bad. Slipping in and out of suspicion so if she votes Sorsha then she can either say yay I helped lynch a baddie or oh well I was never really that suspicious of her to start with.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:30 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Roxy wrote:Bullz, Epi -neither of you have anything thing to say or add about my Hedgeowl post?
Nothing at the moment. I'm thinking it over, promise.

is that a real promise or a "plomise"? LOL

Bullzeye wrote:
Roxy wrote:inre: to other suspicions -

Sorsha - I did not like how she came out begging for votes. I said I would not vote for anyone "begging" for votes. If people do not think baddies would put themselves out there like this they are crazy I put a hammer vote onto my poll choice to ensure I got a second recruit quickly when I was playing the Ultra-Morph in LC and BR's recruitment game on RM. So it does happen - even by people you don't think would do that as a baddie. Her defense has left a lot to be desired. I mean "people are going to see what they want to see" is not really a defense imo.

SVS - I am horrible at reading her but I really am much more suspicious of Sorsha than SVS. Her defense that she had limited time and put her focus on Fight Club was easily looked at and confirmed (by myself looking and checking). Yet she has not come out with any of her own suspicions and that is what twitched my nose about SVS. I will admit I am riding the fence here a bit but tbh I do not feel the gut reaction to her posts that I felt with Hedgeowl or Boogs for that matter.

linky- just agree you both <3 each other and hug it out
Roxy, we're just playing :P He knows he's my favourite Epignosis on the entire internet. For some reason I didn't get linki on this post but there you go. Thanks for your contributions, I think your point about Sorsha's defense is very damning for her really.

Linki - I will take a look now and get back to you!

hahhaa I knew that hence my use of the

smiley

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:32 pm**

On an unrelated note, Robin Williams hanged himself with a belt after his wife went to bed.

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb ... 08746.html

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:32 pm**

Roxy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Roxy wrote:Bullz, Epi -neither of you have anything thing to say or add about my Hedgeowl post?
Nothing at the moment. I'm thinking it over, promise.
is that a real promise or a "plomise"? LOL

Promise. I've never heard of a "plomise."

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:35 pm**

Why are you bumming this thread out

also I heard that this morning and it is quite sad especially for his wife

linky - a plomise is something I used to say to my parents when I did not promise but wanted them to think I did. Its a non-promise

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:37 pm**

Quote="Roxy"]Why are you bumming this thread out

also I heard that this morning and it is quite sad especially for his wife

linky - a plomise is something I used to say to my parents when I did not promise but wanted them to think I did. Its a non-promise

[/quote]

Sorry.

Did you ever get away with your "plomises?"

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:38 pm**

Royally screwed up those quotes.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:39 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Royally screwed up those quotes.

That's very true. You somehow managed to capitalise the first Q in the quote tag as well even though they're lowercase by default :P

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:41 pm**

Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Royally screwed up those quotes.
That's very true. You somehow managed to capitalise the first Q in the quote tag as well even though they're lowercase by default :P

So I did.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:43 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Royally screwed up those quotes.
That's very true. You somehow managed to capitalise the first Q in the quote tag as well even though they're lowercase by default :P
So I did.

Unfortunate mistake. I wonder when everyone else is going to show up? I feel like the three of us posting have sort of said everything there is to say that's on topic. We need more people to come and join the conversation, lovely as the current company in here is.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:49 pm**

Epi -Yes all my plomises worked. My parents never knew or caught on until I told them after I had my first son years later hahaha

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:03 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm gonna vote for Sorsha now. Apart from the evidence against her, she did not seem all that interested in defending herself.

As a side note, I'm obviously hoping that this is not the case, but if Sorsha flips civvie it will be the funniest thing to happen in mafia since Ambray outed her entire team.

And how exactly is lynching a civvie on day one funny?

This post makes me think that you know that I AM a civvie you just don't care. Get over it DH..... you won the day 0 poll AND I'm willing to bet you aren't a good guy this game.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:04 pm**

The thing about Hedgeowl is that I don't think I've ever been right a single time about her. I've read her posts twice. I do see what you're saying, although it's not enough to make me abandon my current suspect in order to vote for her. One thing I do wonder is if Hedgeowl is gunning for high posters as she has in previous games. If so, I may be in jeopardy.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:05 pm**

Sorsha wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm gonna vote for Sorsha now. Apart from the evidence against her, she did not seem all that interested in defending herself.

As a side note, I'm obviously hoping that this is not the case, but if Sorsha flips civvie it will be the funniest thing to happen in mafia since Ambray outed her entire team.
And how exactly is lynching a civvie on day one funny?

This post makes me think that you know that I AM a civvie you just don't care. Get over it DH..... you won the day 0 poll AND I'm willing to bet you aren't a good guy this game.

Very strange response here. What does him winning the day zero poll have to do with anything? How can he possibly know you're a civvie? Even if he's bad, there's another baddie team plus a probable indy. This makes little sense.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:07 pm**

Sorsha wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm gonna vote for Sorsha now. Apart from the evidence against her, she did not seem all that interested in defending herself.

As a side note, I'm obviously hoping that this is not the case, but if Sorsha flips civvie it will be the funniest thing to happen in mafia since Ambray outed her entire team.
And how exactly is lynching a civvie on day one funny?

This post makes me think that you know that I AM a civvie you just don't care. Get over it DH..... you won the day 0 poll AND I'm willing to bet you aren't a good guy this game.

It would be funny because you insisted that you are easy to read.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:08 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm gonna vote for Sorsha now. Apart from the evidence against her, she did not seem all that interested in defending herself.

As a side note, I'm obviously hoping that this is not the case, but if Sorsha flips civvie it will be the funniest thing to happen in mafia since Ambray outed her entire team.
And how exactly is lynching a civvie on day one funny?

This post makes me think that you know that I AM a civvie you just don't care. Get over it DH..... you won the day 0 poll AND I'm willing to bet you aren't a good guy this game.

It would be funny because you insisted that you are easy to read.

When you said you were going to vote for Sorsha, did you literally mean right then? It's just I noticed you haven't actually voted yet.

Sorsha, who are you likely to vote for today and why?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:09 pm**

Check the poll again Bullz :P

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:10 pm**

Until I hear what S~V~S has to say, I won't vote.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:13 pm**

Xenon, Neon, and Argon walk into a bar. The barman says "Get out, we don't serve noble gases here!". The three elements don't react.

Just thought I'd share a little chemistry joke for no reason in particular!

DharmaHelper wrote:Check the poll again Bullz :P

Haha, did you just do that or am I stupid and somehow failed to notice?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:13 pm**

Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Keterman's big post on S~V~S, combined with what I've said, makes S~V~S my primary choice for today, but I can wait to vote and see what she has to say. I'm a nice guy.
Oh really? Since when? :P

I feel similarly, Sorsha is my primary target but I'd like to give her a chance to respond to my opinions before I vote.

Bullz- You have seemed to have made up your mind about me anyway so I'm going to give my fingers a break and not go over every point you've made about me. You are wrong, get me lynched and you'll see I'm right.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:14 pm**

Bullzeye wrote:Xenon, Neon, and Argon walk into a bar. The barman says "Get out, we don't serve noble gases here!". The three elements don't react.

Just thought I'd share a little chemistry joke for no reason in particular!

DharmaHelper wrote:Check the poll again Bullz :P
Haha, did you just do that or am I stupid and somehow failed to notice?

Vote? He did it over an hour ago.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:15 pm**

Sorsha wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Keterman's big post on S~V~S, combined with what I've said, makes S~V~S my primary choice for today, but I can wait to vote and see what she has to say. I'm a nice guy.
Oh really? Since when? :P

I feel similarly, Sorsha is my primary target but I'd like to give her a chance to respond to my opinions before I vote.
Bullz- You have seemed to have made up your mind about me anyway so I'm going to give my fingers a break and not go over every point you've made about me. You are wrong, get me lynched and you'll see I'm right.

You say I've made up my mind but I've been clear about the fact I wanted to wait for you to respond. You could talk me out of it if you had a reasonable defense and perhaps a good case against someone else.

Linki - yeah I must be crazy then. I looked at the poll right before I posted and it looked like nobody had any votes other than the host option.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:19 pm**

What gives me pause about Sorsha is her lack of defense. Wouldn't her team encourage her to fight back if she were bad?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:19 pm**

Clearly, I should have caught up sooner. I wont have much time till an hour from now, but just catching up. I think you misread my first comment roxy, but no worries. bbl.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:20 pm**

Sorsha wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Keterman's big post on S~V~S, combined with what I've said, makes S~V~S my primary choice for today, but I can wait to vote and see what she has to say. I'm a nice guy.
Oh really? Since when? :P

I feel similarly, Sorsha is my primary target but I'd like to give her a chance to respond to my opinions before I vote.
Bullz- You have seemed to have made up your mind about me anyway so I'm going to give my fingers a break and not go over every point you've made about me. You are wrong, get me lynched and you'll see I'm right.

Sorsha - how would you feel if you made a case and awaited a response to get this type of post?

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:21 pm**

Hedgeowl wrote:Clearly, I should have caught up sooner. I wont have much time till an hour from now, but just catching up. I think you misread my first comment roxy, but no worries. bbl.

Hard to misread a few sentences tbh but ok

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:22 pm**

Hedgeowl wrote:Clearly, I should have caught up sooner. I wont have much time till an hour from now, but just catching up. I think you misread my first comment roxy, but no worries. bbl.

Xyloid positions in Mafia can be dangerous. It's nice when people can be flexible.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:23 pm**

Epignosis wrote:What gives me pause about Sorsha is her lack of defense. Wouldn't her team encourage her to fight back if she were bad?

Zip over to half the games where I've been bad and caught out and take a quick look at my posts. I do that kind of "oh you've made your mind up just kill me already" when I'm a baddie and can't think of how to defend myself. I've done it as a neutral as well and very rarely as a civ. When people post like that it makes me suspect them more.

Posted: **Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:24 pm**

Epignosis wrote:What gives me pause about Sorsha is her lack of defense. Wouldn't her team encourage her to fight back if she were bad?

I have never had teammates tell me how to play or defend. I have never told my teammates how to play or defend. Have you?

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