The Syndicate

Black Rock wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:

Golden wrote:Actually, I'll be honest, my suspicion of Aces has gone way back up.

AceofSpaces wrote:

Golden wrote:

juliets wrote:Golden it looks like you dropped your suspicion of Aces. Any particular reason why?

Not dropped, just less likely to vote that way than the two who aren't really engaging at this point.

Come at me bro.

I'll be posting my thoughts on today very shortly. I just need to organize them in an intelligent way.

Whats that about? I should 'come at you' because I say I'm not likely to vote for you?

I like the way you painted me in that comment about me. "Part of me thinks he's just fishing for a reason to suspect people so he can appear helpful. A useless day 0 poll would fit that need quite handily." Like, only part of you thinks that? It's like what LC was saying about rabbit, planting seeds you can come back to later. Plus, as noted, saying 'a useless day 0 poll', as though I must have known or guessed it would be useless ahead of time. I don't know Epi's hosting style at all, but Epi's posts definitely pointed towards not useless to me. Plus there are about 5 people here who can vouch for the fact that civvie golden does take every aspect of the game seriously.

Now - I'll own up to this - I would have been just as helpful on that poll no matter whether I was good or bad. I'm not saying anyone should conclude I am good because I was making a genuine effort on the day zero poll. But I'd never give anything less than 100% on it as a civvie either.

I find it interesting you have no read on BR. And I disagree with you on juliets - I think she has been contributing her own thoughts more than most people.

There really should be a text colour for jokes. "Come at me bro" was a joke.

I was serious when I said I think your day 0 poll theory was bullshit. You tried to paint the porter as a bandwagon, which it wasn't, and scapegoat the people voting for him. Your suspicion of me is 90% based on the fact that I didn't explain my vote for the porter to your satisfaction. How is that *not* fishing?

BR hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on her. The most eye catching thing she's said is that we shouldn't lynch rabbit without a good reason, because he hasn't played in so long.

And I'd like you to please quote me something that show's JC's putting her own thoughts out into the thread. Again, making a case that the porter was the murder *is not helpful in catching mafia*.

Why is that so eye catching? I am not likely to vote for Rabbit or Golden or any returns without good reason.. Although Rabbit is just pleading with me to lynch him. It's been so long since I have played with him. I mean do all of his posts have to read so baddie?
I just see why being happy to see old Mafia foes is such a big deal.

I honestly haven't seen anything all that suspicious yet. It has been a fun start and I have enjoyed seeing everyone play in the thread. I do like LC's point on MM, the most recent time he self-voted he was a baddie. It's something to consider.

I have to run to work for a couple of hours now but I will be back before the lynch is over. I'm going to make a decision then after I have more to read.

I twirl my mustache and think in an evil voice while stroking my red eyed black cat as I post........

MP, knowing it's a normal behaviour from him would change my view. Although I'm thinking I'll be voting for aces today.

I wasn't talking about it to start with because I thought it's not outside the realms of reason there could be legitimate civvie reasons for doing it. Secrets and all that. I've been known to create a role where their vote counts for -1, for instance. But that won't apply to MM every game.

Rabbit - did you accidentally die just then?

rabbit8 wrote: I twirl my mustache and think in an evil voice while stroking my red eyed black cat as I post........

If you post in dead red while not dead, you become dead. Bye, rabbit! It was nice playing with you!

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Llama's behavior has been more jokey and less serious baddie hunting than I'd like from him, but I'm not ready to consider voting him for it just yet either.

I'm trying something different. Can't let myself get too predictable, can I?

I would have voted for MM, but I cast my vote before he cast his.

I don't find your behavior suspicious, but I do like bouncing my thoughts off of you among others, so I do hope you still engage in baddie hunting conversation.

So you agree with what I said about MM and self-voting then?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Llama's behavior has been more jokey and less serious baddie hunting than I'd like from him, but I'm not ready to consider voting him for it just yet either.

I'm trying something different. Can't let myself get too predictable, can I?

I would have voted for MM, but I cast my vote before he cast his.

I don't find your behavior suspicious, but I do like bouncing my thoughts off of you among others, so I do hope you still engage in baddie hunting conversation.

So you agree with what I said about MM and self-voting then?

Oh fully. I hate self-voting even more than I hate randomizing. It's time he was held accountable for it.

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:It sounds like a number of us are agreed that a return to the Apollo Doctrine is in order.

No Vote (or in this case, post)=No Live.

I'm voting Zombrella, now.

But llama, there's the rest of the day for her to show up...

Too late! You snooze, you lose!

I snooze, I lose? Oh it's a good thing that I'm not snoozing then. When did Llama get so bent on lynching people who haven't posted yet? I'm here. I'm going to vote. Plumbers replacing our water heater just left, now I've got to clean up the their mess and the leak from this morning.

Whom are you going to vote for?

Just a minute....

Golden wrote:MP, knowing it's a normal behaviour from him would change my view. Although I'm thinking I'll be voting for aces today.

I wasn't talking about it to start with because I thought it's not outside the realms of reason there could be legitimate civvie reasons for doing it. Secrets and all that. I've been known to create a role where their vote counts for -1, for instance. But that won't apply to MM every game.

Rabbit - did you accidentally die just then?

Well, exactly, which is why historically I've never voted for MM for self-voting, even though I express this every time. It's getting old though. And as LC pointed out, MM has been baddie and pulled this stunt in Film Directors, and I think he must have been bad in at least one other game of the 5(?) recent games that he's self-voted, but I can't recall.

Linki w/ Llama: I agree. The only things holding me back are (1) that I KNOW it doesn't tell us anything about his alignment because he does it all the time now and (2) I am probably more suspicious of BF, in terms of in-game behavior.

In terms of baddie hunting, give me time. I don't have any good leads right now. When I have a good lead, I will pounce on it like a panther in springtime.

Just you wait.

I eagerly await your next gambit, Llama. :P

thellama73 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote: I twirl my mustache and think in an evil voice while stroking my red eyed black cat as I post........

If you post in dead red while not dead, you become dead. Bye, rabbit! It was nice playing with you!

Not that easy to get rid of me. I'm like a bad itch.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Or maybe because it's 4:15 p.m. in Texas and my class gets out at 4:00. Nice Llama. I feel like you are setting me up. You know that I post at about this time every day. Vote for me then call me out right before then and then say it's cause I have BTSC. You sound Stupid.

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Or maybe because it's 4:15 p.m. in Texas and my class gets out at 4:00. Nice Llama. I feel like you are setting me up. You know that I post at about this time every day. Vote for me then call me out right before then and then say it's cause I have BTSC. You sound Stupid.

Lucky for me, sounding stupid and being stupid are two different things.

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Or maybe because it's 4:15 p.m. in Texas and my class gets out at 4:00. Nice Llama. I feel like you are setting me up. You know that I post at about this time every day. Vote for me then call me out right before then and then say it's cause I have BTSC. You sound Stupid.

Lucky for me, sounding stupid and being stupid are two different things.

Thin line.

rabbit8 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Or maybe because it's 4:15 p.m. in Texas and my class gets out at 4:00. Nice Llama. I feel like you are setting me up. You know that I post at about this time every day. Vote for me then call me out right before then and then say it's cause I have BTSC. You sound Stupid.

Lucky for me, sounding stupid and being stupid are two different things.

Thin line.

Or a pun.

Zomba, have you read the whole thread? What do you make of everyone right now? Suspects?

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

juliets, did you drop your potential vote for Llama? Just curious.

juliets wrote:(llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason).

Excellent. Thank you.

thellama73 wrote:In terms of baddie hunting, give me time. I don't have any good leads right now. When I have a good lead, I will pounce on it like a panther in springtime.

Just you wait.

I know you will. I've seen you do it. But usually you build a good case.

I just finished reading the thread.
MM- It makes sense to me that you might self vote just to avoid having to hunt for baddies.
Rabbit - I've never played with you, but you do sound bad in your posts. Like syntax and stuff.
Golden - Thanks for the compliment. You seem to be some kind of legend around here. That might make you teflon as far as lynches go. I want to keep my eye on you. You are right that I did post in Death Note. I found out I was dead, I posted, I switched to this game, phone fell in the toilet.
MP - You seem to be your usual analytical self. I think it will become easier to tell your affiliation later as we play.

...more to come...

I will build a good case when I have a good case to build. Or maybe I won't. It depends on the mood I am in.

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:In terms of baddie hunting, give me time. I don't have any good leads right now. When I have a good lead, I will pounce on it like a panther in springtime.

Just you wait.

I know you will. I've seen you do it. But usually you build a good case.

I just finished reading the thread.
MM- It makes sense to me that you might self vote just to avoid having to hunt for baddies.
Rabbit - I've never played with you, but you do sound bad in your posts. Like syntax and stuff.
Golden - Thanks for the compliment. You seem to be some kind of legend around here. That might make you teflon as far as lynches go. I want to keep my eye on you. You are right that I did post in Death Note. I found out I was dead, I posted, I switched to this game, phone fell in the toilet.
MP - You seem to be your usual analytical self. I think it will become easier to tell your affiliation later as we play.

...more to come...

You're going to have to use words I understand so I can defend myself. Because not only do I sound stupid, I am.

MovingPictures07 wrote:juliets, did you drop your potential vote for Llama? Just curious.

Yes. He put doubt in my mind about me voting for him based on his vote for zomba so I moved away from that vote. I still have him in my peripheral vision though.

@MP - Yes, I have read the whole thread. Thoughts coming...

@Juliets - Thanks for giving me time to show up and post before writing me off. I'm think that MM should help find some baddies. If he doesn't, that makes him seem bad to me.

Where are Canucklehead, Dom, and Sophie? I don't have any thoughts about any of them.

Duly noted, thanks juliets and Zomba!

I'll be in and out for the next few hours, FYI.

rabbit8 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:In terms of baddie hunting, give me time. I don't have any good leads right now. When I have a good lead, I will pounce on it like a panther in springtime.

Just you wait.

I know you will. I've seen you do it. But usually you build a good case.

I just finished reading the thread.
MM- It makes sense to me that you might self vote just to avoid having to hunt for baddies.
Rabbit - I've never played with you, but you do sound bad in your posts. Like syntax and stuff.
Golden - Thanks for the compliment. You seem to be some kind of legend around here. That might make you teflon as far as lynches go. I want to keep my eye on you. You are right that I did post in Death Note. I found out I was dead, I posted, I switched to this game, phone fell in the toilet.
MP - You seem to be your usual analytical self. I think it will become easier to tell your affiliation later as we play.

...more to come...

You're going to have to use words I understand so I can defend myself. Because not only do I sound stupid, I am.

Oh brother! Sorry everyone. I was trying to be clever. One of the baddies is named Stupid and I thought that it would be .... oh nevermind! No Rabbit, you are not stupid. You are cute and cuddly.

busy day today, my bf is picking me up in 10 minutes cause i go to dinner with my in laws, i ve been catching up with the thread in my phone, and havent seen nothing major (well, just the self vote, but apparently the self voter is known for that?). Im gonn keep catching up from my phone after i eat dinner and hopefully be back at home before 11:40 pm that the vote will be other. If not, will vote from my phone from there.

Zomberella12 wrote: Where are Canucklehead, Dom, and Sophie? I don't have any thoughts about any of them.

hey, im here *inset hello emoticon*
kinda busy tonight, will do my best to vote and properly catch up from my in laws home
havent seen nothing big from what i read, but will probably be analazing day 1 more if i had/have the time

Zomberella12 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:In terms of baddie hunting, give me time. I don't have any good leads right now. When I have a good lead, I will pounce on it like a panther in springtime.

Just you wait.

I know you will. I've seen you do it. But usually you build a good case.

I just finished reading the thread.
MM- It makes sense to me that you might self vote just to avoid having to hunt for baddies.
Rabbit - I've never played with you, but you do sound bad in your posts. Like syntax and stuff.
Golden - Thanks for the compliment. You seem to be some kind of legend around here. That might make you teflon as far as lynches go. I want to keep my eye on you. You are right that I did post in Death Note. I found out I was dead, I posted, I switched to this game, phone fell in the toilet.
MP - You seem to be your usual analytical self. I think it will become easier to tell your affiliation later as we play.

...more to come...

You're going to have to use words I understand so I can defend myself. Because not only do I sound stupid, I am.

Oh brother! Sorry everyone. I was trying to be clever. One of the baddies is named Stupid and I thought that it would be .... oh nevermind! No Rabbit, you are not stupid. You are cute and cuddly.

lol, I should read the roles before I start a game......................Damn, I fingersplints myself.

Could somebody make one of those posts that links to each players posts (like we have in Death Note)? That would awesome.

There is an in topic button under each players Avi.

Okay - four hours left to vote. Right now I don't like that MM and Llama already voted and seem to have thrown up their hands as far as baddie hunting goes. I know Llama's a jokester, but he's also a loose cannon (still) that doesn't seem to care if he kills a civ or not. Llama, I like your posts, and I'm sure you're going to call a No U on me, but I would post this even if you have voted Rabbit or Rico (WTF?) or anyone else without any reason to.

There is my two bits. I have to do a tax return now but I'll be back to vote.

liniki - what does an in topic button do?

rabbit8 wrote:There is an in topic button under each players Avi.

oh...thanks...

Zomberella12 wrote:Okay - four hours left to vote. Right now I don't like that MM and Llama already voted and seem to have thrown up their hands as far as baddie hunting goes. I know Llama's a jokester, but he's also a loose cannon (still) that doesn't seem to care if he kills a civ or not. Llama, I like your posts, and I'm sure you're going to call a No U on me, but I would post this even if you have voted Rabbit or Rico (WTF?) or anyone else without any reason to.

There is my two bits. I have to do a tax return now but I'll be back to vote.

liniki - what does an in topic button do?

That's fair, and I respect you for having the courage to say it.

We really do talk about the same things every Day 1, don't we? Never really noticed until now. And now I'm noticing patterns more as I read. Anyway.

Today was a surprisingly busy day for my supposedly having an impromptu vacation. Some thoughts after catching up:

1) There always seems to be some sort of "battle" between two higher posters in the first day or so, and it looks like it's Golden vs. Aces. I'm inclined to see it as Civ vs. Civ, since I haven't had a really big ping from either one. I found Golden's pointing out of a "bandwagony" sort of voting pattern for the Day 0 poll as something interesting to point out. Dunno if it has much merit, but it could be something to look back on.

2) MM's self-vote pings me something awful, definitely more than anything else I've seen. As others have pointed out, he has done this in multiple games, and in most if not all of the games I've recently played with him. It may have been a joke the second or third time, but geez, you have plenty of time and a good amount of posts to at least make some sort of accusation or voice a suspicion. It is detrimental to the cause if you are a Civ (since you're taking out your own numbers) and weirdly drawing attention if you are bad. I have ignored it in the past, but I don't like it at all and am inclined to vote his way today.

3:

thellama73 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote: I twirl my mustache and think in an evil voice while stroking my red eyed black cat as I post........

If you post in dead red while not dead, you become dead. Bye, rabbit! It was nice playing with you!

llama's being llama and I'm fucking dying

I feel like I had a 4 and 5 but I got distracted by real life things and stuff. Dammit. I'll check back in before I go to triiiiiiiiivia

I'm leaving for the night, so I'm going to vote now.

It was a toss up for me between Golden and MM. I am going to go with MM though, based strongly on his self vote.

I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.

Oh jeez the day doesnt end until TOMORROW!! I thought it was tonight. Damn but oh well, an early vote for once.

I agree about the self voting. I guess I could see why one would self vote in some circumstances, but I don't think it's a particularly helpful when habitual like this. I could see voting there

juliets wrote:Oh jeez the day doesnt end until TOMORROW!! I thought it was tonight. Damn but oh well, an early vote for once.

I'm totally a doofus. Of course the day ends tonight this is a speed game. Ignore my stupidity.

juliets wrote:

juliets wrote:Oh jeez the day doesnt end until TOMORROW!! I thought it was tonight. Damn but oh well, an early vote for once.

I'm totally a doofus. Of course the day ends tonight this is a speed game. Ignore my stupidity.

It ends tomorrow for me.

@zombs - no probs. Theres a couple of people I've never played with before that (based on reading death note) I'm already genuinely excited to play with. You are definitely one. I'm glad you showed up, and just from what you've posted so far there is no way I'd still vote for you today.

Also, the problem with rabbit (if you don't know him) is that he always sounds like a baddie, and deliberately so. It makes it so easy for people to go 'oh, thats just rabbit', when he is genuinely bad.

But so far I feel like what I've seen from rabbit is not giving me any pings.

(oh, and rabbit might be Stupid. But he definitely ain't stupid. He is one FEB).

Golden wrote:MP, knowing it's a normal behaviour from him would change my view. Although I'm thinking I'll be voting for aces today.

I wasn't talking about it to start with because I thought it's not outside the realms of reason there could be legitimate civvie reasons for doing it. Secrets and all that. I've been known to create a role where their vote counts for -1, for instance. But that won't apply to MM every game.

Rabbit - did you accidentally die just then?

thellama73 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote: I twirl my mustache and think in an evil voice while stroking my red eyed black cat as I post........

If you post in dead red while not dead, you become dead. Bye, rabbit! It was nice playing with you!

That's the second time llama has stolen my line and gotten credit for it

If I'd figured out a setting that wasn't hardcore, serious golden, I might have to vote for you llama. I thought you were my new friend :crying:

thellama73 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:Okay - four hours left to vote. Right now I don't like that MM and Llama already voted and seem to have thrown up their hands as far as baddie hunting goes. I know Llama's a jokester, but he's also a loose cannon (still) that doesn't seem to care if he kills a civ or not. Llama, I like your posts, and I'm sure you're going to call a No U on me, but I would post this even if you have voted Rabbit or Rico (WTF?) or anyone else without any reason to.

There is my two bits. I have to do a tax return now but I'll be back to vote.

liniki - what does an in topic button do?

That's fair, and I respect you for having the courage to say it.

And I respect you for respecting me for having the courage to say it.

I think fs actually pegged me really well. I am being deliberately cautious in my wording, because I don't want to be lynched the first day.

Otherwise, I'm voting aces. His side of the golden argument rubbed me the wrong way. I'm at a game night and can't guarantee I'll be around to vote later.

MP still doesn't bother me too much, but I hope he focuses his attention elsewhere, because he's wrong about his hunch.

The self vote bothers me. But I am following my gut, I always do.

Golden wrote:Also, the problem with rabbit (if you don't know him) is that he always sounds like a baddie, and deliberately so. It makes it so easy for people to go 'oh, thats just rabbit', when he is genuinely bad.

But so far I feel like what I've seen from rabbit is not giving me any pings.

(oh, and rabbit might be Stupid. But he definitely ain't stupid. He is one FEB).

How about silly rabbit?

Has do checked in? I miss him!

blindfaeth wrote:Has do checked in? I miss him!

It says Dom has posted twice but I don't remember either post. So I guess he has at least checked in.

Zomberella12 wrote:

Golden wrote:Also, the problem with rabbit (if you don't know him) is that he always sounds like a baddie, and deliberately so. It makes it so easy for people to go 'oh, thats just rabbit', when he is genuinely bad.

But so far I feel like what I've seen from rabbit is not giving me any pings.

(oh, and rabbit might be Stupid. But he definitely ain't stupid. He is one FEB).

How about silly rabbit?

ADJECTIVE

adjective: silly · comparative adjective: sillier · superlative adjective: silliest
having or showing a lack of common sense or judgment; absurd and foolish:
"another of his silly jokes"
synonyms: foolish · stupid · unintelligent · idiotic · brainless · mindless · witless · imbecilic · doltish · imprudent · thoughtless · rash · reckless · foolhardy · irresponsible · mad · scatterbrained · featherbrained · frivolous · giddy · vacuous · inane · immature · childish · puerile · empty-headed · crazy · dotty · scatty · loopy · wingy · ditzy · screwy · thick · thickheaded · birdbrained · pea-brained · dopey · dim · dimwitted · halfwitted · dippy · blockheaded · boneheaded · lamebrained · daft · chowderheaded · tomfool · unwise · imprudent · thoughtless · foolish · stupid · idiotic · senseless · mindless · rash · reckless · foolhardy · irresponsible · injudicious · misguided · irrational · crazy · daft


“Hallo, Rabbit,” Zomberella12 said, “is that you?”
"Let’s pretend it isn’t,” said Rabbit, “and see what happens.”

Dom? I haven't seen much of Dom.

The more I think on it, the more I feel like Aces is the right vote for me to make. His reaction to my weak suspicion feels like a baddie reaction. My reasons for this are:

1) It reminds me of times in the past where baddies are annoyed that their day one lynch was for some daft thing they don't feel they did (anyone remember BLLs constant calling out of people on day 0 or day 1 minutiae?). Aces is focussed on the idea that the bandwagon idea is bullshit - which, to be honest, I really don't think it is in principle, whether he was doing it or not - and I think he is focussed on it because he feels that genuinely isn't why he voted for the porter, and because he doesn't want his baddie game to come down for such a poor reason. I've seen it happen a few times before.

2) The strong language, some of it emotive, used in his posts towards me to guide suspicion on me haven't helped my view of him - 'useless poll', 'bullshit theory', 'scapegoat' - it's all stuff that I think comes out when you are bad, not when you are good. It goes well beyond 'I'm not bad' to trying to actually discredit that my idea could have any merit and suggesting that I'm deliberately setting out to get civvie cred and create scapegoats.

3) His ambiguous seed dropping against me - "Part of me thinks he's just fishing for a reason to suspect people so he can appear helpful". Plus, I mean, whats a civvie supposed to do? Not try and find any reason why people are suspicious?

4) His double standard - either the way someone acts in relation to the poll can be suspicious, or it can't. I have trouble seeing how when it applies to him day 0 conduct is meaningless, but when it applies to me its meaningful.

For these reasons, I'm voting Aces. I can't vote MM for his conduct when I have someone I genuinely think is bad.