The Syndicate

Golden wrote:OK Epi... but in that case... why come after me?

Golden wrote:OK Epi... but in that case... why come after me?

@rabbit - If Epi takes offence, my apologies. I don't think it is unreasonable for me to make reference to my alignment in that game given it is known. MP did this in Roger Rabbit about Aces, so I'm assuming it's in keeping with the rules of the site.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:OK Epi... but in that case... why come after me?

You're the one not taking any risks.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:If BF is bad, saying what he said carries the penalty that he is being hounded by several people who look very likely to vote for him...

How is that no penalty??? And bf certainly isn't dumb enough to think he would get no heat for it.

I have no intention of voting for him. If he's bad, he'll live a while. If he's good, he'll probably die soon. That's the fate of loose lips around here.

And as I said, his actions have revealed something to me. Unfortunately I cannot pursue that at this time.

Mongoose wrote:I have no idea how to read all these new (and "new") people. I'll just assume you are all good. Seems legit.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:OK Epi... but in that case... why come after me?

You're the one not taking any risks.

That's actually a fair comment. Especially in that I'm not committing to bf being good.

You'll see me take risks as soon as I have something I believe in. Right now I have a useless item and not a lot I'm particular convinced about. I'm sure that will change soon enough. I'm pushing where I see things and seeing what comes back. My first was at bullz, my second at you. Bullz feels civ to me. I'm still not convinced about you. I think your responses have been inconsistent and I'm not convinced your suspicion of bf or me was genuine.

LizKeen wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:If BF is bad, saying what he said carries the penalty that he is being hounded by several people who look very likely to vote for him...

How is that no penalty??? And bf certainly isn't dumb enough to think he would get no heat for it.

I have no intention of voting for him. If he's bad, he'll live a while. If he's good, he'll probably die soon. That's the fate of loose lips around here.

And as I said, his actions have revealed something to me. Unfortunately I cannot pursue that at this time.

Why not?

Epignosis wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Well here is another opportunity for you. Who are your baddie teammates? :P

Linki, K.

To whom is this post addressed?

blindfaeth wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Well here is another opportunity for you. Who are your baddie teammates? :P

Linki, K.

To whom is this post addressed?

You?

S~V~S wrote:I am not voting for you now, BF, and am not sure that I even will. It's early, and it's Day One. We are talking about what has caught our eye, and this is what has caught mine.

Epignosis wrote:Other than blindfaeth, I don't think anyone got anything valuable.

...right?

I mean, no one is going to come in here saying "Wowee, I got a magic crystal that shows me who the bad guys are!"

...right?

I mean, no one wants to be killed for their shit.

...right?

So I'm astonished at the risk blindfaeth has chosen to take. What astonishes me more is that he thinks he has three of five pegged on Day 1 due to a tenuous assumption on his part: That the owner of the will is the millionaire anarchist (would an anarchist even have a will? I don't know). This has been called "info" and "potential info." It is neither. It's an assumption. Knowing how much llama loves loves loves assumptions, it's naive to believe the owner of the will is most likely evil and that you can peg that person's teammates on Day 1.

And if you are right, blindfaeth, you squandered your opportunity. You should have gone hard after the owner of the will and observed what happened.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:@SVS

Would bf buddy up to me if he was civ? Yes. I know he gets confidence and energy from us seeing eye to eye. That part is absolute truth.
Would bf buddy up to me if he is bad? Yes. Bf is constantly aware that I am also the best at ratting out his baddie game, and I think he would be particularly aware of the fact I might be able to call him out.

The thing that makes me feel most comfortable about him? Our heads actually are in a very similar space, with eyes on the same people. This does give me some confidence.

Golden wrote:Although I was hoping the will would be a rezz for you if you died

That's a...thing to say on Day 1.

Golden wrote:Also, why put such a big target on your back so early if you are bad?

...because you won't get killed if your team controls the kill?

Golden wrote:The thing that makes me feel least comfortable about him? I don't like that I feel this drawn in to defending him so vehemently so early.

Golden wrote:Although I was hoping the will would be a rezz for you if you died

^You said that on your own accord.

Golden wrote:What are you thinking Dom?

And before you brush it off, remember... you were demanding answers to your questions, so I expect the same back.

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:SVS, I always buddy with golden. He is my bestie, get over it. Why does the fact I ignored your comment bothering you? I didn't feel the need to address it.

What if Golden is bad?
What if you are bad?

Golden does not seem to have the same blind faith ( ) in you. Does that bother you?

blindfaeth wrote:Dom, I was not suspicious of you because I was taking my first suspicion and overlapping it with who was worried about my item. Which turned out to be them both IMO.

Why did you not react whatsoever to my distrust of you?
Why are you going after only these two?


Golden-- care to answer my question from before?

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:@SVS

Would bf buddy up to me if he was civ? Yes. I know he gets confidence and energy from us seeing eye to eye. That part is absolute truth.
Would bf buddy up to me if he is bad? Yes. Bf is constantly aware that I am also the best at ratting out his baddie game, and I think he would be particularly aware of the fact I might be able to call him out.

The thing that makes me feel most comfortable about him? Our heads actually are in a very similar space, with eyes on the same people. This does give me some confidence.

Golden wrote:Although I was hoping the will would be a rezz for you if you died

That's a...thing to say on Day 1.

Golden wrote:Also, why put such a big target on your back so early if you are bad?

...because you won't get killed if your team controls the kill?

Golden wrote:The thing that makes me feel least comfortable about him? I don't like that I feel this drawn in to defending him so vehemently so early.

Golden wrote:Although I was hoping the will would be a rezz for you if you died

^You said that on your own accord.

Epi - 1) I recognise saying something like 'I was hoping it would be a rezz if you died' is kinda sus lol. Stupid, you might say. But you have to know the history bf and I have. We really are mafia best buds. It's not 'I hoped you had it regardless of your alignment', and I don't think it would reasonably be taken that way by people who know the relationship bf and I have well over the course of many games. We are always inclined to start a game from a position of trust.

Tell you a story. Takes place in the future.

In a few days, somebody is going to come around asking my opinion on a little lady named Elohcin. That's somebody who had the bad judgment to marry me once upon a time. That somebody will cite how good I am at reading her and how I've never been wrong or whatever. Even though I said I won't be offering a husbandly analysis of her henceforth, someone will ask. Here's the thing- I used what I was good at, and eventually Elohcin and I were bad together. That time came in the Game of Champions 2013. We lost like drowned rats (due to grave misfortune and no faults of our own), but we were able to exploit nearly a year of history to our advantage for quite a while.

And even though we used that as teammates, I still get asked to analyze her. Do you see where I'm going with this? Previous relationships in previous games mean little to me. Words now mean more.

Golden wrote:2) Are you trying to tell me bf isn't in the firing line for a lynch today? That's the target I was talking about. He knew he was risking having people come down hard on him... especially if he was on the money, when it would be guaranteed.

I'm trying to tell you he's Night fodder if he's good. When he said what he said, he said, "Kill me please." Terrible judgment on his part.

Golden wrote:3) I do defend bf of my own accord. But I also can see myself objectively enough to recognise that bf could rely on me doing so, and could use it as a tactic to take me down with him if he was bad.

Perhaps.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:OK Epi... but in that case... why come after me?

You're the one not taking any risks.

That's actually a fair comment. Especially in that I'm not committing to bf being good.

You'll see me take risks as soon as I have something I believe in. Right now I have a useless item and not a lot I'm particular convinced about. I'm sure that will change soon enough. I'm pushing where I see things and seeing what comes back. My first was at bullz, my second at you. Bullz feels civ to me. I'm still not convinced about you. I think your responses have been inconsistent and I'm not convinced your suspicion of bf or me was genuine.

I wasn't suspicious of bf. I just called him foolish. Do you see what you did there?

rabbit8 wrote:I will likely vote for one of BF or Golden so I don't have to read this buddy cop shit all game. Frankly, it's annoying.

blindfaeth wrote:

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:SVS, I always buddy with golden. He is my bestie, get over it. Why does the fact I ignored your comment bothering you? I didn't feel the need to address it.

What if Golden is bad?
What if you are bad?

Golden does not seem to have the same blind faith ( ) in you. Does that bother you?

blindfaeth wrote:Dom, I was not suspicious of you because I was taking my first suspicion and overlapping it with who was worried about my item. Which turned out to be them both IMO.

Why did you not react whatsoever to my distrust of you?
Why are you going after only these two?


Golden-- care to answer my question from before?

I don't understand the context of your first questions. I can't believe this gets brought up every game. Golden and I have friendship that transcends mafia. I will objectively listen to his input until I have reason not to trust him. We genuinely enjoy each other's company. Sorry but not sorry.

I've already answered your fourth question. I couldn't care less if you distrust me.

Linki.

Boogs wrote:Im just saying hi and the kitty is still alive Things have been busy and it is sad I couldn't join this game because both Bullz and BF asked me to, but work is very stressful right now with me being our branch's team captain for March of Dimes and I don't have the time to put in to play with that and other events each week :/ But maybe soon when it slows down and I can give a game a whirl. Mrow!
Also an extra wave to my favorite host Epignosis
Meow you later peeps!

Epignosis wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And you best sleep with one eye open.

LOL is that a threat?

A threat?

You know what an idiom is, right?

That would have better with at the end but looks like I too blew a great opportunity.

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:SVS, I always buddy with golden. He is my bestie, get over it. Why does the fact I ignored your comment bothering you? I didn't feel the need to address it.

What if Golden is bad?
What if you are bad?

Golden does not seem to have the same blind faith ( ) in you. Does that bother you?

blindfaeth wrote:Dom, I was not suspicious of you because I was taking my first suspicion and overlapping it with who was worried about my item. Which turned out to be them both IMO.

Why did you not react whatsoever to my distrust of you?
Why are you going after only these two?


Golden-- care to answer my question from before?

I don't understand the context of your first questions. I can't believe this gets brought up every game. Golden and I have friendship that transcends mafia. I will objectively listen to his input until I have reason not to trust him. We genuinely enjoy each other's company. Sorry but not sorry.

I've already answered your fourth question. I couldn't care less if you distrust me.

Linki.

You don't understand the context of the questions?
I'm asking why you place blind faith in Golden. Because you like each other is a losing strategy.
I like a lot of people playing but I don't place blind trust in them.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:OK Epi... but in that case... why come after me?

You're the one not taking any risks.

That's actually a fair comment. Especially in that I'm not committing to bf being good.

You'll see me take risks as soon as I have something I believe in. Right now I have a useless item and not a lot I'm particular convinced about. I'm sure that will change soon enough. I'm pushing where I see things and seeing what comes back. My first was at bullz, my second at you. Bullz feels civ to me. I'm still not convinced about you. I think your responses have been inconsistent and I'm not convinced your suspicion of bf or me was genuine.

I wasn't suspicious of bf. I just called him foolish. Do you see what you did there?

If it's me you were suspicious of, I'm not sure why you were framing it all as being about bf. Clearly I was having a very different conversation to the one I thought I was having. But one thing I am not is disingenuous. I didn't turn anything around on you. I admit, you never expressly said you were suspicious of bf, as far as I can see from having a look back. I made an assumption. But I didn't just make it up out of thin air. You chose to lead me there and then turn it around on me.

thellama73 wrote:Oh, and the pictures you submit will be posted publicly, so do try not to out yourselves.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Oh, and the pictures you submit will be posted publicly, so do try not to out yourselves.

Nobody knows what my penis looks like, right?

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Oh, and the pictures you submit will be posted publicly, so do try not to out yourselves.

Nobody knows what my penis looks like, right?

Elohcin is playing this game, remember.

thellama73 wrote:Hey everyone!
Since we have a little extra time today, let's have a fun game. The roles on the front page need pictures to go along with them. Please submit a picture of your role to me via PM by the end of Night 1. My favorite gets a prize. Please nothing too racist for the Celestials.

blindfaeth wrote:

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:SVS, I always buddy with golden. He is my bestie, get over it. Why does the fact I ignored your comment bothering you? I didn't feel the need to address it.

What if Golden is bad?
What if you are bad?

Golden does not seem to have the same blind faith ( ) in you. Does that bother you?

blindfaeth wrote:Dom, I was not suspicious of you because I was taking my first suspicion and overlapping it with who was worried about my item. Which turned out to be them both IMO.

Why did you not react whatsoever to my distrust of you?
Why are you going after only these two?


Golden-- care to answer my question from before?

I don't understand the context of your first questions. I can't believe this gets brought up every game. Golden and I have friendship that transcends mafia. I will objectively listen to his input until I have reason not to trust him. We genuinely enjoy each other's company. Sorry but not sorry.

I've already answered your fourth question. I couldn't care less if you distrust me.

Linki.

You don't understand the context of the questions?
I'm asking why you place blind faith in Golden. Because you like each other is a losing strategy.
I like a lot of people playing but I don't place blind trust in them.

I'm sorry, please point me to the post where I said i trust golden.

If golden is bad, it won't take me long to find out.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hey everyone!
Since we have a little extra time today, let's have a fun game. The roles on the front page need pictures to go along with them. Please submit a picture of your role to me via PM by the end of Night 1. My favorite gets a prize. Please nothing too racist for the Celestials.

how about nothing racist at all???

Epignosis wrote:Anybody here believe I once caught a bad guy because he or she lied about "linki?"

Epignosis wrote:Anybody here believe I once caught a bad guy because he or she lied about "linki?"

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Dom wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:SVS, I always buddy with golden. He is my bestie, get over it. Why does the fact I ignored your comment bothering you? I didn't feel the need to address it.

What if Golden is bad?
What if you are bad?

Golden does not seem to have the same blind faith ( ) in you. Does that bother you?

blindfaeth wrote:Dom, I was not suspicious of you because I was taking my first suspicion and overlapping it with who was worried about my item. Which turned out to be them both IMO.

Why did you not react whatsoever to my distrust of you?
Why are you going after only these two?


Golden-- care to answer my question from before?

I don't understand the context of your first questions. I can't believe this gets brought up every game. Golden and I have friendship that transcends mafia. I will objectively listen to his input until I have reason not to trust him. We genuinely enjoy each other's company. Sorry but not sorry.

I've already answered your fourth question. I couldn't care less if you distrust me.

Linki.

You don't understand the context of the questions?
I'm asking why you place blind faith in Golden. Because you like each other is a losing strategy.
I like a lot of people playing but I don't place blind trust in them.

I'm sorry, please point me to the post where I said i trust golden.

If golden is bad, it won't take me long to find out.

"I will objectively listen to his input until I have reason not to trust him. We genuinely enjoy each other's company. Sorry but not sorry."

"until I have reason not to trust him"


"trust him"


Yeah

Mongoose wrote:Boomslang and Bullzeye are indeed two distinct players, yet I still will confuse the issues sometimes...

... Just like sometimes players will mix me up with Hedgeowl (where the heck is she by the way?)

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hey everyone!
Since we have a little extra time today, let's have a fun game. The roles on the front page need pictures to go along with them. Please submit a picture of your role to me via PM by the end of Night 1. My favorite gets a prize. Please nothing too racist for the Celestials.

how about nothing racist at all???

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Anybody here believe I once caught a bad guy because he or she lied about "linki?"

Sure...

You know what I'd like? I'd like you to actually tell me what you want me to defend against, instead of doing this vague thing. It's very frustrating having to respond to a case that shifts in front of your eyes.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Anybody here believe I once caught a bad guy because he or she lied about "linki?"

Sure...

You know what I'd like? I'd like you to actually tell me what you want me to defend against, instead of doing this vague thing. It's very frustrating having to respond to a case that shifts in front of your eyes.

I didn't make a case on you. If you can make a case on Day 1, you have shitty Mafia.

But I think blindfaeth is a bullshitter. I asked him carefully about linki. I pay attention when people put that in their posts.

Golden wrote:Which is it. Do you suspect me or do you suspect blindfaeth???

I am quite literally tearing my hair out with you!

Golden wrote:Which is it. Do you suspect me or do you suspect blindfaeth???

I am quite literally tearing my hair out with you!

Epignosis wrote:You'll see me take risks as soon as I have something I believe in. Right now I have a useless item and not a lot I'm particular convinced about. I'm sure that will change soon enough. I'm pushing where I see things and seeing what comes back. My first was at bullz, my second at you. Bullz feels civ to me. I'm still not convinced about you. I think your responses have been inconsistent and I'm not convinced your suspicion of bf or me was genuine.

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, can you talk a little bit about why you chose the Promissory Note item on Day 0?

Golden wrote:Epi, I'm being serious here.

You are choosing to be obstructive, vague, obtuse, and many other words that all mean the same thing.

You make posts about bf that sound like you are suspicious of him, but then you say:

Epignosis wrote:You'll see me take risks as soon as I have something I believe in. Right now I have a useless item and not a lot I'm particular convinced about. I'm sure that will change soon enough. I'm pushing where I see things and seeing what comes back. My first was at bullz, my second at you. Bullz feels civ to me. I'm still not convinced about you. I think your responses have been inconsistent and I'm not convinced your suspicion of bf or me was genuine.

I wasn't suspicious of bf. I just called him foolish. Do you see what you did there?

blindfaeth wrote:

Golden wrote:Which is it. Do you suspect me or do you suspect blindfaeth???

I am quite literally tearing my hair out with you!

Lol he's worse than rabbit. I'd be down for an epig lynch personally. Or bullz.