The Syndicate

Is your definition of trying hunny saying, "I'm hunting scum" every other post? I just don't see what you're doing when you say that you are "trying".

Paul wrote:basically im being misunderstood b/c its d1 and there is almost nothing to go on so i created stuff to go on

i waited long enough for d1 i can't believe people deal with that

i also can't believe people are taking me so srs i am trying to hunt scum by fishing for reactions to the stuff i say how else do you hunt this early

It's not even 24 hours into the day.

Malchus wrote:

Absalom wrote:I'm glad it's day 1. Now we can get moving. Despite Paul's early vote, I actually feel good about him. I also feel good about Nicodemus. That leaves.... a lot of other people. I don't know, maybe it's just his name, but Cain dropping in with only two posts, one of which was an accusation and a vote threat is something I noticed. That, and Balaam seems to be coming off a tad hostile.

How could you possibly feel good about another player this early in Day 1?

I feel things all the time. Feelings are not certainty, but they are a place to start.

Re: the Horsemen, I don't think they can be trusted at all or be expected to side with the Righteous. It's a heavily obscured, in terms of win condition and abilities, and terrifying, canon-wise, quartet. What Jonah said about finishing off the Heathens in order to win the game being "too easy" reminds me of Death Note: civs only had to eliminate four players (out of 27) to win, but bickered over an entire rogue faction being civ-friendly or not (granted, they were destined to receive the power to kill at certain point- although they never did), and almost all the four players that needed to be eliminated won the game unscathed. My point being we should primarly aim for the Righteous' win condition: take out the Heathens.

Martha wrote:

Paul wrote:vote for me then Martha im not afraid of you or anyone at least I am trying

Sweetie calm down. You don't need to be afraid. I'm just saying you're being way too crazy dear and your behavior seems forced. It's making you seem very suspicious and fake hunny.

your behavior seems forced too we don't have any regulars that habitually call everybody hunny and sweetie. shall I voteth you for being fake too?

its a sock game we're all being fake here

Belshazzar wrote:Re: the Horsemen, I don't think they can be trusted at all or be expected to side with the Righteous. It's a heavily obscured, in terms of win condition and abilities, and terrifying, canon-wise, quartet. What Jonah said about finishing off the Heathens in order to win the game being "too easy" reminds me of Death Note: civs only had to eliminate four players (out of 27) to win, but bickered over an entire rogue faction being civ-friendly or not (granted, they were destined to receive the power to kill at certain point- although they never did), and almost all the four players that needed to be eliminated won the game unscathed. My point being we should primarly aim for the Righteous' win condition: take out the Heathens.

The Horsemen are named Conquest, War, Famine, and Death. It's kind of hard to imagine them being anything but bad.

Belshazzar wrote:Re: the Horsemen, I don't think they can be trusted at all or be expected to side with the Righteous. It's a heavily obscured, in terms of win condition and abilities, and terrifying, canon-wise, quartet. What Jonah said about finishing off the Heathens in order to win the game being "too easy" reminds me of Death Note: civs only had to eliminate four players (out of 27) to win, but bickered over an entire rogue faction being civ-friendly or not (granted, they were destined to receive the power to kill at certain point- although they never did), and almost all the four players that needed to be eliminated won the game unscathed. My point being we should primarly aim for the Righteous' win condition: take out the Heathens.

I mean fair enough but the 4 roles that had to be eliminated in that game were nigh invincible. if all we gotta do is lynch 5 of them and they have to kill 25 of us i like our odds but I don't think we should ignore the coming apocalypse. You never know when the day of judgment is upon us
I agree though. Heathens are public enemy #1

wait aren't conquest and war sorta the same thing. I always thought the fourth horseman was like Plague or something

Jonah wrote:

Martha wrote:

Paul wrote:vote for me then Martha im not afraid of you or anyone at least I am trying

Sweetie calm down. You don't need to be afraid. I'm just saying you're being way too crazy dear and your behavior seems forced. It's making you seem very suspicious and fake hunny.

your behavior seems forced too we don't have any regulars that habitually call everybody hunny and sweetie. shall I voteth you for being fake too?

its a sock game we're all being fake here

My thoughts exactly

Aargh! A Kraken.

our Lord has taught you a valuable lesson today about the evils of alcohol

nijuukyugou wrote:Ah shit. Drinking and mafia do not often mix

You can tell me if you're a heathen, the Lord is watching and sees all anyway dear. Have another glass of whiskey, forgive me Lord I do not drink myself and would never. I don't even drink wine around Jesus.

nijuukyugou wrote:Ah shit. Drinking and mafia do not often mix

I disagree.

And everyone else breathes a sigh of relief as they are not the first person to screw up.

Can't say I condemn it, myself.

linki: Wasn't Bass the first? :P

Martha wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Ah shit. Drinking and mafia do not often mix

You can tell me if you're a heathen, the Lord is watching and sees all anyway dear. Have another glass of whiskey, forgive me Lord I do not drink myself and would never. I don't even drink wine around Jesus.

But if our lord Jesus Christ turned water to wine, and offered it to you, would you decline a miraculous gift from the son of god himself?

Mordecai wrote:

Martha wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Ah shit. Drinking and mafia do not often mix

You can tell me if you're a heathen, the Lord is watching and sees all anyway dear. Have another glass of whiskey, forgive me Lord I do not drink myself and would never. I don't even drink wine around Jesus.

But if our lord Jesus Christ turned water to wine, and offered it to you, would you decline a miraculous gift from the son of god himself?

Good point. Doesn't he actually demand that you drink the wine of his blood?

Martha wrote:

Paul wrote:vote for me then Martha im not afraid of you or anyone at least I am trying

Sweetie calm down. You don't need to be afraid. I'm just saying you're being way too crazy dear and your behavior seems forced. It's making you seem very suspicious and fake hunny.

Forced on day 1? Is this sarcasm?

Absalom wrote:

Malchus wrote:

Absalom wrote:I'm glad it's day 1. Now we can get moving. Despite Paul's early vote, I actually feel good about him. I also feel good about Nicodemus. That leaves.... a lot of other people. I don't know, maybe it's just his name, but Cain dropping in with only two posts, one of which was an accusation and a vote threat is something I noticed. That, and Balaam seems to be coming off a tad hostile.

How could you possibly feel good about another player this early in Day 1?

I feel things all the time. Feelings are not certainty, but they are a place to start.

Great. Have fun with them.

Epignosis wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Ah shit. Drinking and mafia do not often mix

I disagree.

I agree.

Paul wrote:

Samuel wrote:Check in. I see we are all trying to play our little parts. How cute, in that case I recommend not crossing me or I may have to call down some bears on your ass. Just sayin'.

@Host, will it be relevant to the game to figure out who the other players are?

scum post if there ever was one

Dude, I was asking if I needed to figure out who other players are. Sometimes there is a quiz our something or prizes can be earned by knowing who is who. Why waste time on something that will earn me nothing?

Paul wrote:wake me when Samuel shows up

Wake up buttercup! I was busy trending to my priestly duties, some of us have responsibilities ya know.

What a surprise, Paul is trying to kill one of God's people. But I expect the scales will fall from his eyes and he will see the error of his way. So I'm not going to hold it against you, bro.

I am interested in looking at Ruth though, 'cause she seemed to be singling out people who may be new to our tribe. I don't see how that is good for anything.

Paul's recent responses have me seeing him in a different light. It seems more genuine now. And Paul, I do agree with you that getting people to talk and stirring stuff up is a good idea. It wasn't your actions that pinged me, it was the words behind them.

@job - sorry, what I wrote was misleading. I meant Paul for what seemed to me to be almost 'claiming' an identity for himself, and ruth for trying to uncover others.

So, I went and read Jephthah, as Belshazzar made an interesting assertion that he had flip flopped a bit on Paul. I also recommend it. I think it's worth doing. There isn't a lot of posts, only ten. But...

Posts 2, 3, 4 and 5... in consecutive order, agrees with Paul about Samuel (hard to tell if serious), defends Paul for voting Samuel, defends Paul from my initial suspicion, defends Paul from further suspicion (defends might be too strong, but it certainly could be read that way).

Jephthah wrote:

Paul wrote:

Samuel wrote:Check in. I see we are all trying to play our little parts. How cute, in that case I recommend not crossing me or I may have to call down some bears on your ass. Just sayin'.

@Host, will it be relevant to the game to figure out who the other players are?

scum post if there ever was one

Agreed. Let's lynch him

Jephthah wrote:

Balaam wrote:Holy early vote! Got any proof there Paul?

Are you seriously asking this? What exactly do you expect Paul to say?

Jephthah wrote:

Lot wrote:I could see Paul getting a lot of votes... I'd consider voting that way. So far not much has stood out for me. Paul has, very much, with posts and practices which seem designed to set himself apart. So has Ruth - what with the apparent fishing for finding out where people are from and then waving it off as a joke.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if anyone felt that their vote in the poll yesterday turned out to be worthwhile. I, for one, do not - at least I have no reason to believe it was for now.

No, but I got a good laugh out of it.

So pepole trying to set themselves apart = scum?

Jephthah wrote:

Lot wrote:I'm just getting a vibe from Paul I don't like... It's not only because he sets himself apart, it's the way he is doing it... like, my practices are so different from yours, how could you possibly lynch me until you've gotten to know me... I don't easily buy that he has an actual suspicion of Samuel... the vote feels like a tactic.

I agree with Balaam. A very early vote is a wasted vote, because 48 hours is a lot of time for something real to happen.

While the vote feels like a tactic to me too, it can easily be a valid tactic. Samuels' post seemed scummy to me too, especially the ridiculous question in the end, but the first part felt like him trying to convey: "I'm cool, I have nothing to hide". One way to try to push Samuel is by voting him and doing it fast. Nothing like pushing someone to the corner to get him talking. Worst case, Samuel comes in, eases his mind and he wasted a vote which has a high probability of being wasted anyway.

We'll see.

And then, look at this with posts 6, 7 and 8 - seems like a complete turn around as he questions Paul... goes from saying he probably would have wasted the vote anyway to calling it a wasted vote...

Jephthah wrote:

Paul wrote:now this is d1

You have voted early and maybe hastily wasted a vote.
You have not really given solid reasons for your vote. By your standards of d1 and how this game should be played, should we now vote for you? If not, why?

Jephthah wrote:

Paul wrote:

Jephthah wrote:

Paul wrote:now this is d1

You have voted early and maybe hastily wasted a vote.
You have not really given solid reasons for your vote. By your standards of d1 and how this game should be played, should we now vote for you? If not, why?

im catching scum that's why

Do you have tell signs so we can make sure of it?

Jephthah wrote:

Paul wrote:

Samuel wrote:Check in. I see we are all trying to play our little parts. How cute, in that case I recommend not crossing me or I may have to call down some bears on your ass. Just sayin'.

@Host, will it be relevant to the game to figure out who the other players are?

scum post if there ever was one

Why?

Jephthah wrote:

Balaam wrote:Holy early vote! Got any proof there Paul?

Are you seriously asking this? What exactly do you expect Paul to say?

An analysis of the posts that Paul finds so suspicious?

An analysis of two posts with barely something in them? Either you feel it or you don't. There's no way someone can logically and methodically accuse another person of being bad based on that and come out looking good.[/quote]

It is a big turn around with no explanation provided for it.

Mordecai wrote:I'm in a bit of middle ground on this. Samuel's "I'll call some bears on you" (Elisha reference) was very odd. But not enough for me to call him guaranteed scum yet like Paul has.

On that note, Pauls willingness to do that right out of the gate rubs me the wrong way as well. A lot of jumping the gun going on here. That method of pressuring him with a vote is pointless at the moment, seeing as it's the only vote on Samuel for the time being. One vote does nothing in a game this size unless there is a tie, and I question that technique being employed at the very beginning of day one.

The technique of voting someone to garner a response from them? Why would you question it? You can argue the effectiveness depending on the amount of votes but it's never useless. Even a sinle vote can prompt responses you need. And some people fish for reactions.

Jacob wrote:What the heck is up with Paul and why is he so convinced Samuel is bad? Looks like he's reading way too much into that one post. I wouldn't mind if he said he was voting mostly-randomly or that he just had a gut feeling, but he's acting so 100% convinced and it's pretty annoying TBH.

This post stood out to me. Just a commentary I saw over and over. Seems like Jacob didn't have anything to say but wanted to look contributive. Not necessarily a scum tell but I'm definitely interested in Jacob now.

Martha wrote:

Paul wrote:vote for me then Martha im not afraid of you or anyone at least I am trying

Sweetie calm down. You don't need to be afraid. I'm just saying you're being way too crazy dear and your behavior seems forced. It's making you seem very suspicious and fake hunny.

Such an ironic post. Martha criticising Paul for being fake in the most fake manner I could've imagined.

Martha wrote:Is your definition of trying hunny saying, "I'm hunting scum" every other post? I just don't see what you're doing when you say that you are "trying".

Paul's playstyle doesn't seem very confusing or harmful to me at all. I'm kinda surprised by the amount of people commenting how strage he's acting. He's actually made some good points about both Lot and Samuel. Samuel's opening post was scummy af even when I read it.

wow not much talking

Lot i do apologize I hate drama in games so i wasn't trying to stir anything or twist any words i am just trying to see what scum I can catch

Samuel glad we're cool but why do you only comment about Ruth

also I don't understand why Martha is so hostile to me or my methods when she is not doing anything can't tell whether srs

i know my wording often comes across as strong but I recognize i don't know anything 100 % so when I talk it is b/c I am either issuing my opinion and I feel sure of it or trying to get a reaction you know

speaking of Ruth where is she and why she quiet

Paul, what, to you, is "doing something"?

Paul wrote:wow not much talking

Lot i do apologize I hate drama in games so i wasn't trying to stir anything or twist any words i am just trying to see what scum I can catch

Samuel glad we're cool but why do you only comment about Ruth

Perhaps since my name was brought up much on Day Zero, and he thought that it might be easy to deflect to me since he is taking heat himself?

Samuel wrote:

Paul wrote:

Samuel wrote:Check in. I see we are all trying to play our little parts. How cute, in that case I recommend not crossing me or I may have to call down some bears on your ass. Just sayin'.

@Host, will it be relevant to the game to figure out who the other players are?

scum post if there ever was one

Dude, I was asking if I needed to figure out who other players are. Sometimes there is a quiz our something or prizes can be earned by knowing who is who. Why waste time on something that will earn me nothing?

Paul wrote:wake me when Samuel shows up

Wake up buttercup! I was busy trending to my priestly duties, some of us have responsibilities ya know.

What a surprise, Paul is trying to kill one of God's people. But I expect the scales will fall from his eyes and he will see the error of his way. So I'm not going to hold it against you, bro.

I am interested in looking at Ruth though, 'cause she seemed to be singling out people who may be new to our tribe. I don't see how that is good for anything.

Actually, that was not my intent. Quite the opposite.I felt that Paul was only pretending to be new to our community. All the new recruis are savvy players who would have read the rules and understood that the point of a sockpuppet is to obscure your true identity. It would be a golden opportunity for a new player to slide into a new playstyle.

That is why I specifically asked Paul if he had read the rules:

Ruth wrote:Paul, just curious; have you read the host rules and host posts and the sign up thread? Specifically the parts about not being obvious as re the sockpuppets?

My thought was that in this community, we give new players the BOTD their first game, and pretending to be one of those new players would be a smart strategy for a Mafia. We tend not to lynch noobs day one of their first game. It would be a way for a veteran to get to play the noob card. A Get Out Of Jail Free card, if you will.

This goes hand in hand with the other reason people are suspectng me: the thought that I was trying to determine peoples identities. No, I was only trying to see if Paul was what he appears to be. I don't think he is, personally. In other words, I doubt new players would ACT like new players.

Having caught up after a busy Saturday, though, it is also possible there are just "woo hoo fun" reasons for pretending to be new to this forum, especially if Paul has an especially highly recognizable game. But it is something I think needs to be kept in mind if he ever does play the noob card.

Having skimmed the day so far, I need to read more in depth today. I will probably post as I catch up.

Also, whoever said that all the avatars look the same, oh my God, yes!

Thank Epignosis for the player post link list on the front page

Rachel wrote:Paul, what, to you, is "doing something"?

catching scum man

lol I don't understand why people think i am not actually new but ok

what I don't understand more is people putting words on my mouth

I don't know what is done here on d1

if you think I'm bad vote for me since I am not doing this for some kind of cover that's dumb

I would be more than happy to die d1 if it means doing so leads to a town victpry

so why Ruth are you implying I am doing this for cover

playing the noob card is a low play

I don't play like that

I actually kinda was figuring I would get lynched toDay anyway and you guys are slow to start d1 so why should I sit here and wait while people just mess around

Paul wrote:lol I don't understand why people think i am not actually new but ok

what I don't understand more is people putting words on my mouth

I don't know what is done here on d1

if you think I'm bad vote for me since I am not doing this for some kind of cover that's dumb

I would be more than happy to die d1 if it means doing so leads to a town victpry

so why Ruth are you implying I am doing this for cover

At first maybe I did, now I think you are doing it for fun is just as likely. I really don't think someone new to our forum would have been so obvious

And glad to see you don't play the noob card, obvious noob person

And yes, we tend to think it scares the new playmates away if you kill them right out of the gate. If I am wrong about you, I am sorry. But I don't think I am. But again, doesn't mean you are bad.

maybe people should stop focusing on me being new and actual focus on what I am saying and on catching scum

do you see how many people have been forced to show their hands already by issuing opinions on me let alone others? if so why aren't more of you talking? I don't mean this as condescending or
Anything but it's a genuine question

woah hi Ruth I see your post

hey don't worry about it I'm just playing the game and trying to do my best I think that's all any of us can do

I'm not trying to draw attention to newness but I don't understand how I am expected to know all the customs here

I have no interest in talking about me though unless I have to defend myself I may be arrogant but I'm not that arrogant

Ruth what do you think of other players

Still catching up, I was out of town yesterday. The avatars being so similar is making it hard. Odd how little things can be such a bother. So far still seeing Day One, molehills>mountains. The people suspecting people for talking like Biblical characters & roles are getting my eye a bit.

Are you still happy with your vote for Samuel?

I am also voting for Samuel.

There are actually many female-identified socks in this game.

i guess I'm happy with my vote still idk I am used to changeable votes normally I would change it of I felt my target didn't deserve it but I am not convinced yet that is the case here

wow someone followed me on my vote cool

we should wagon lot and samuel

Samson why did you follow my vote

Apologies for being absent for a while, I have been very busy and had to spend the past couple of days away from an internet connection. Will catch up now.

Wow you dears are a little taken back on my opinions and think I'm fake too? I understand this is one of the sock games, but me talking a certain way makes me fake? How do you know I don't talk that way In my daily life? There are new player hunny and I don't think a girl's way of speech deserves any fire. What I meant to clarify by Paul acting fake and forced was, that his posts to me seem like he's purposefully saying "scum, let's catch scum, scum scum scum" many many times as if he's trying very hard to look like he is good to everyone very early in the game. I don't think there is a comparison on the two of us by me naturally calling anyone sweetie or hunny versus someone being over the top saying "they are good, let's catch heathens!" Maybe I'm not used to his style, but I just don't feel good about it and expressed that. I don't even see why this is an issue with me and think you guys are making it an easy way of Heathens to stir up fire.

Martha wrote:Wow you dears are a little taken back on my opinions and think I'm fake too? I understand this is one of the sock games, but me talking a certain way makes me fake? How do you know I don't talk that way In my daily life? There are new player hunny and I don't think a girl's way of speech deserves any fire. What I meant to clarify by Paul acting fake and forced was, that his posts to me seem like he's purposefully saying "scum, let's catch scum, scum scum scum" many many times as if he's trying very hard to look like he is good to everyone very early in the game. I don't think there is a comparison on the two of us by me naturally calling anyone sweetie or hunny versus someone being over the top saying "they are good, let's catch heathens!" Maybe I'm not used to his style, but I just don't feel good about it and expressed that. I don't even see why this is an issue with me and think you guys are making it an easy way of Heathens to stir up fire.

so you still aren't going to issue opinions on any player other than me?

why are there so many people who haven't said anything really

I mean it is d1 but come on

wagon lot and Samuel

I think that will find scum and scum teammates most atm

I'm gonna leave the game for a bit maybe people will talk more

Martha wrote:Wow you dears are a little taken back on my opinions and think I'm fake too? I understand this is one of the sock games, but me talking a certain way makes me fake? How do you know I don't talk that way In my daily life? There are new player hunny and I don't think a girl's way of speech deserves any fire. What I meant to clarify by Paul acting fake and forced was, that his posts to me seem like he's purposefully saying "scum, let's catch scum, scum scum scum" many many times as if he's trying very hard to look like he is good to everyone very early in the game. I don't think there is a comparison on the two of us by me naturally calling anyone sweetie or hunny versus someone being over the top saying "they are good, let's catch heathens!" Maybe I'm not used to his style, but I just don't feel good about it and expressed that. I don't even see why this is an issue with me and think you guys are making it an easy way of Heathens to stir up fire.

If I recall my bible classes correctly (and odds say that is iffy at best) Martha was a motherly spinster. Just the sort that would call people "Hunny & Sweetie". I took it as you were playing in Biblical character. Several people are, I believe, a few even seemed to be posting in verse. I find nothing suspect about that. I am guessing it will wear off in a few days. As for me, I made my Ruth mother in law joke in the sign up thread.

Catching up and seeing nothing to get my panties in a twist over yet.

Still looking back.

Paul wrote:

Rachel wrote:Paul, what, to you, is "doing something"?

catching scum man

How have you done that?
Why are you above everyone else in that regard?

Paul wrote:maybe people should stop focusing on me being new and actual focus on what I am saying and on catching scum

do you see how many people have been forced to show their hands already by issuing opinions on me let alone others? if so why aren't more of you talking? I don't mean this as condescending or
Anything but it's a genuine question

woah hi Ruth I see your post

hey don't worry about it I'm just playing the game and trying to do my best I think that's all any of us can do

I'm not trying to draw attention to newness but I don't understand how I am expected to know all the customs here

I am focussing on what you are saying. I have made several comments about your actual words.

In fact, your complaint is that people are putting words in your mouth. I can sympathize, however, you have done quite the same to others. Here and here you put words in other people's mouths.

I had assumed that Martha was speaking in character tbh.





I also think Ruth's theory about Paul being a regular of the Syndicate was a bit far fetched given the lengths that Paul has gone to.

Paul wrote: do you see how many people have been forced to show their hands already by issuing opinions on me let alone others? if so why aren't more of you talking? I don't mean this as condescending or
Anything but it's a genuine question

It's Sunday. Some of us are busy worshiping the Lorb.