The Syndicate

Golden wrote:Llama 2 has been about...

I'm voting llama i think

In case it's me I'll leave y'all with my final thoughts.

Sorsha, Golden, Greybonez, and Metalmarsh are my suspects. I think the three baddies are in that group. Daisy is a wildcard because she's barely been playing and that worked out well for her in Death Note. I doubt Lacey is bad. I feel good about Elohcin and Llama. If Roxy is a civvie I hope she gets her head in the game.

If Golden wanted to know what my thoughts were instead of calling my gameplay meaningless, he would have just asked what my thoughts were. Instead he created a narrative where I didn't want to share my thoughts. He also heavily telegraphed a vote for Lacey today that I think would have happened if I, ironically, hadn't called him out on it. The civ-Golden I know doesn't push to lynch inactives on Day 2 in a speed game where we have maybe 3 mislynches at our disposal (and a replacement/modkill system is in place).

I'm looking forward to getting mislynched, that way I can question people and probe for reactions as a civvie in future games without baddies scrutinizing my every move

And why am I suspicious?

Because I voted for you?

Just gut, I got nothin' on you. I suspect the other 3 I named more than you, fwiw.

I broke the tie.voted MM. Frankly, I don't see why Rox should be voted. So it was down to TH or MM. I have not felt like the recent posts from TH seemed bad. Also, sorry I'm not more invested yet, kind of involved in the late stages of Recruitment.

I'm voting TH. I don't find Roxy suspicious at all, she's just not interested. I am certainly not voting for myself today.

Linki: well I agree with you about Roxy, Spacedaisy.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting TH. I don't find Roxy suspicious at all, she's just not interested. I am certainly not voting for myself today.

Linki: well I agree with you about Roxy, Spacedaisy.

But do you agree with her about me?

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting TH. I don't find Roxy suspicious at all, she's just not interested. I am certainly not voting for myself today.

Linki: well I agree with you about Roxy, Spacedaisy.

But do you agree with her about me?

Would it really matter either way?

Linki: Deja Vu.

Sorry TH

:/

Sorry TH, and RIP - I was wrong.

Poor TH. dead in two games within half an hour. I tried sir.

RIP TH. I dont really understand why people voted you.

I'm also slightly perturbed that Llama and greyboneZ only received one vote each. MM I can get behind, but I'm sticking with my opinion that if greyboneZ flips bad, so does llama. It just fits.

I don't know if Llama slipped in his wording or not, but I can assure him that my "coming after" him is definitely self motivated, since I am not on a "team" (according to his definition of a civ). I want a civ victory here and for some reason we're lynching the wrong ones.

Elohcin wrote:I'm going to stick with a roxy vote like yesterday. I have never seen her act as she has this game and that is suspicious to me.

You are kidding, right?

No you weren't. WTF?????

Metalmarsh89 wrote:People used to ridicule me for self-voting. Now it has become strangely popular. I won't be voting Roxy though. I want to give her another chance.

Linki: I must be the only person who has talked about one thing today.

Give me a chance for what? To not want to play? To read posts about pissing people off?

@host - how are ties resolved?

TH, I don't see why you were voted for either. Sorry to see you go.

Roxy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm going to stick with a roxy vote like yesterday. I have never seen her act as she has this game and that is suspicious to me.

You are kidding, right?

No you weren't. WTF?????

Can you elaborate here? How was I "acting" so suspicious that you have voted me two days in a row?

Or are you going to ignore this even after you have obv read this prior to my reposting.

Elohcin wrote:@host - how are ties resolved?

TH, I don't see why you were voted for either. Sorry to see you go.

Funny you never once even mentioned TH and now you say you don't see why he was voted for. If you felt that way why didn't you say something? You were here until about a half hour before lynch end and had plenty of time to say - ANYTHING - but you didn't . As a matter of fact you did not provide one suspicion yesterday unless you count your vote for me bc "I've never seen her play like this" - which I do not consider a suspicion bc you do not say how or provide one quote.


My suspicions as follows in order

Eloh
Golden
Sorsha and if there is one more dk who it is.

Elohcin wrote:@host - how are ties resolved?

In case of a tie, the lynch is randomly decided from among the players tied for highest number of votes.

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm going to stick with a roxy vote like yesterday. I have never seen her act as she has this game and that is suspicious to me.

You are kidding, right?

No you weren't. WTF?????

Can you elaborate here? How was I "acting" so suspicious that you have voted me two days in a row?

Or are you going to ignore this even after you have obv read this prior to my reposting.

I thought your question of "WTF?????" was rhetorical.

Roxy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:@host - how are ties resolved?

TH, I don't see why you were voted for either. Sorry to see you go.

Funny you never once even mentioned TH and now you say you don't see why he was voted for. If you felt that way why didn't you say something? You were here until about a half hour before lynch end and had plenty of time to say - ANYTHING - but you didn't . As a matter of fact you did not provide one suspicion yesterday unless you count your vote for me bc "I've never seen her play like this" - which I do not consider a suspicion bc you do not say how or provide one quote.


My suspicions as follows in order

Eloh
Golden
Sorsha and if there is one more dk who it is.

I didn't know we were supposed to say who we thought should stay alive. I thought the purpose was to say who we thought could be bad. Also, I thought your behavior spoke for itself.

You want quotes from me, but you didn't offer them when you were making a case for Golden.

Roxy wrote:
But Golden is most suspicious to me bc of the way he posted along with the tone of his posts.

I will elaborate when dawn arrives.

You never elaborated or provided any quotes, by the way. Please don't hold me to something you do not uphold yourself.

These three quotes were the ones that disturbed me the most about you. Your whole tone here sounds arrogantly argumentative which does NOT scream helpful civ at all.

Roxy wrote:But you clearly posted "My Team". And then go on to say that you do not "consider civ's a team per se"

Which is it?

Roxy wrote:And also if you have a "my team" you, yourself, say that you use team to imple btsc.
Ergo you have btsc.

Roxy wrote:I do not want to play if people are doing shit just to piss each off tbh.

Then, your tone in your reaction to my vote sounds wildly irrational.

Elo -
None of my questions are rhetorical. I am not arrogant but may be argumentative bc people were literally voting just to piss people off. For me it makes the game not fun and I get a bit defensive when people act like they have this game.

Maybe you do not offer defense for those you think are civ and being wrongly accused inre: TH - I do

So you also thought llama may have slipped but then laughed it off. For me it was a legit suspicion. If I sounded irrational then you did too. The only difference is you laughed off your suspicion where as I stand by mine.

My tone was wildly irrational? Oh ok whatever, I really hate it when people vote but give no reasoning nor do they provide anything to defend against - like say your vote for me. Your vote was wildly irrational especially since you linked it to your day 1 reason which was entirely to "piss me off". You called the thunder now that you have my attention you say I am irrational and use your buzz words to make it seem like I am something I am not.

Arrogantly argumentative? Wildly irrational? What other adverbs are you going to toss my way next baddie Elo?

I never made the case against Golden bc I am being a helpful civ and making one on you. I pulled quotes and asked questions. If you want to see a case against Golden make it yourself with your adverb catalog.

Your defensive response has only served to make you more suspicious in my

I take back the part wwhere yu voted just to piss me off - I was wrong and canadmit when I am.

You voted for me bc you wanted to play "crazy this game". Thats a much better excuse.

My responces...

Roxy wrote:Elo -
None of my questions are rhetorical. I am not arrogant but may be argumentative bc people were literally voting just to piss people off. For me it makes the game not fun and I get a bit defensive when people act like they have this game.

Maybe you do not offer defense for those you think are civ and being wrongly accused inre: TH - I do

So you also thought llama may have slipped but then laughed it off. For me it was a legit suspicion. If I sounded irrational then you did too. The only difference is you laughed off your suspicion where as I stand by mine.

I didn't all your posts on the llama "slip" irrational, I just said they were arrogantly argumentative. I called your tone in your response to my vote wildly irrational, that was all.

My tone was wildly irrational? Oh ok whatever, I really hate it when people vote but give no reasoning nor do they provide anything to defend against - like say your vote for me. Your vote was wildly irrational especially since you linked it to your day 1 reason which was entirely to "piss me off". You called the thunder now that you have my attention you say I am irrational and use your buzz words to make it seem like I am something I am not.

I didn't vote you day 1 to piss you off. I am not that kind of person or player. I voted you Day 1 b/c you were arrogantly argumentative. I will vote you again Day 3 if you continue to mbe argumentative and not provide explanation and quotes for your suspicions when you have asked that I do the same.

Arrogantly argumentative? Wildly irrational? What other adverbs are you going to toss my way next baddie Elo?

I have said all I need to about your posts atm

I never made the case against Golden bc I am being a helpful civ and making one on you. I pulled quotes and asked questions. If you want to see a case against Golden make it yourself with your adverb catalog.

Now this doesn't even fit the time frame correctly. YOu said you would make a case for Golden when the day began. You did not do that. It is now more than 24 hours later and you still have not made a case for golden like you said you would. You cannot use making a case for me (which you have yet to do by the way) as your excuse for not doing something you said you would do more than 24 hours ago.

Your defensive response has only served to make you more suspicious in my

I would not call my response defensive at all. I am calm, cool, and collected. You are the one getting emotional.

Turnip Head wrote:Sorry guys I haven't had any time for mafia today. Going into today I expected to vote for Golden but after sleeping on it and seeing his recent posts I think his suspicion of me is genuine - and this was one of my problems with him, I didn't feel like his suspicions/opinions were genuine. I'll look into him more tomorrow and respond to some of his observations about me and talk about what some of my concerns were, but I'm tabling my suspicion of him for now.

I'm voting Metalmarsh... again, but this time it's FOR REAL. I'm okay with Elo's observation about Llama, I think it was a "slip" worth bringing up and looking into... it's Metalmarsh's harping on the slip that I take issue with. His first post towards Llama is fine, his second reiteration of the point looks like someone trying to be opportunistic about a poor choice of words. It's something I expect more from baddie Marsh than a civvie one.

I also think Greybonez's vote and explanation is suspicious as hell but I don't know him well enough to decide if it's disingenuous and I don't have time to look into it.

Turnip Head expressed much wisdom here. May he rest in peace. I am happy to consider a Metalmarsh lynch tomorrow.

Elohcin wrote:BY the way, congrats on your new book! Epi and I will be purchasing a copy soon.

Thank you! I am already so excited about the next one I'm writing.

Roxy wrote:I take back the part wwhere yu voted just to piss me off - I was wrong and canadmit when I am.

You voted for me bc you wanted to play "crazy this game". Thats a much better excuse.

You may want to restate your reason for voting me day one bc as it stands you are outright lying.

Elohcin wrote:I didn't vote you day 1 to piss you off. I am not that kind of person or player. I voted you Day 1 b/c you were arrogantly argumentative. I will vote you again Day 3 if you continue to mbe argumentative and not provide explanation and quotes for your suspicions when you have asked that I do the same.

Why do you keep insisting I make a case on Golden? I am much more interested in you.

I have to say, I am loving feisty Roxy this game. I won't be voting for her tomorrow, that's for sure.

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:I take back the part wwhere yu voted just to piss me off - I was wrong and canadmit when I am.

You voted for me bc you wanted to play "crazy this game". Thats a much better excuse.

You may want to restate your reason for voting me day one bc as it stands you are outright lying.

Elohcin wrote:I didn't vote you day 1 to piss you off. I am not that kind of person or player. I voted you Day 1 b/c you were arrogantly argumentative. I will vote you again Day 3 if you continue to mbe argumentative and not provide explanation and quotes for your suspicions when you have asked that I do the same.

Why do you keep insisting I make a case on Golden? I am much more interested in you.

According to you, my suspicion of you was not stated clearly enough. And according to you, I needed quotes. Well, I have now done that. You, however, claimed a suspicion, recognized it was not explained in enough detail, and promised to give more details yesterday morning. But, you never did it. You should follow through. And, if you cannot follow through, then that is another reason I suspect you. I sill believe that throwing names out there just to gauge reaction can be a baddie tactic. If you have nothing on him, why bring him up. Also, with you suspicion of me, you have yet to give any back-up. You just keep saying that I am bad. I think you are just pissed that I have found you out.

Does no one else want to weigh in on this conversation between Roxy and me? Wouldn't you rather see her give some details to her suspicions like she has demanded from me?

Elohcin wrote:Does no one else want to weigh in on this conversation between Roxy and me? Wouldn't you rather see her give some details to her suspicions like she has demanded from me?

Yes, that.

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Does no one else want to weigh in on this conversation between Roxy and me? Wouldn't you rather see her give some details to her suspicions like she has demanded from me?

Yes, that.

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Does no one else want to weigh in on this conversation between Roxy and me? Wouldn't you rather see her give some details to her suspicions like she has demanded from me?

Yes, that.

I concur whole-heartedly!

Nah, I already find you suspicious for reasons I previously stated, Eloh. And I don't think Roxy is bad. At least currently.

Nobody ever agrees with me.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Sorry guys I haven't had any time for mafia today. Going into today I expected to vote for Golden but after sleeping on it and seeing his recent posts I think his suspicion of me is genuine - and this was one of my problems with him, I didn't feel like his suspicions/opinions were genuine. I'll look into him more tomorrow and respond to some of his observations about me and talk about what some of my concerns were, but I'm tabling my suspicion of him for now.

I'm voting Metalmarsh... again, but this time it's FOR REAL. I'm okay with Elo's observation about Llama, I think it was a "slip" worth bringing up and looking into... it's Metalmarsh's harping on the slip that I take issue with. His first post towards Llama is fine, his second reiteration of the point looks like someone trying to be opportunistic about a poor choice of words. It's something I expect more from baddie Marsh than a civvie one.

I also think Greybonez's vote and explanation is suspicious as hell but I don't know him well enough to decide if it's disingenuous and I don't have time to look into it.

Turnip Head expressed much wisdom here. May he rest in peace. I am happy to consider a Metalmarsh lynch tomorrow.

What happened to your scotty suspicion? I'm confused.

Elohcin wrote:Does no one else want to weigh in on this conversation between Roxy and me? Wouldn't you rather see her give some details to her suspicions like she has demanded from me?

I am enjoying the back-and-forth, and I want to see if it produces anything I deem suspicious. I am thinking on a few of the things roxy said.

Glad you survived Sorsha. I already felt good about you, but it's good confirmation.

I have been watching the Roxy/Eloh thing with interest, and could see scenarios where either one of them is bad. I have been very busy today and without time to post, but I will post more about what I'm seeing in this when I get home tonight. There are some things about both of them that read as opportunistic to me. Actually, I think there is a lot of opportunism going on in this game.

So, my thoughts on Roxy.

Her getting emotional and frustrated is always real. Even when she is bad, I don't think Roxy fakes frustration or any of the emotional stuff. However, she never lets it stop her from playing the game to the best of her ability and I do not assume she must be good just because her frustration is real - I've seen it from the side of being bad.

I have seen Roxy play like this, except one thing. I have never seen Roxy self-vote. That one is kind of odd. But I wonder if it has specifically to do with her relationship with llama. I understand completely when Roxy says she and llama are completely different in style and don't see eye to eye, because there are people whose style is literally polar opposite to me too. And I can understand why deep frustration like that could get you to self-vote.

Now the thing about Roxy that I thought was opportunistic was her suspect list... her top one was Eloh who is going after her and then the next two are straight from TH's legacy list (includes me), but having said that Roxy already expressed suspicion of me before, so suspecting me is consistent. (Roxy, its up to you to elaborate and I see you are more after Eloh right now - but I would like the chance to defend what about me you think looks bad).

Roxy reads frustrated and rational to me right now, and that feels civ - except that I've seen that from Roxy when she is bad as well. So, I keep that in mind.

~

Eloh, on the other hand, really is playing different to what I've seen from her. Her choice of words in describing Roxy seems quite aggressive. Going after Roxy so hard in the circumstances also seems opportunistic, especially when Roxy is already frustrated. I think Eloh would also fail epi's adverb test, as Roxy has pointed out, some of the things Eloh have said feel to me like they could be designed to get Roxy voted out.

So right now, having reviewed all of that...

I think Eloh is bad and Roxy is civ. I'll probably vote Eloh today, but I want to see what others come up with.

I also still feel like greybonez day one vote may have been a newbie mafia mistake and it's hard for me to let that fly under the radar day after day.

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Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Sorry guys I haven't had any time for mafia today. Going into today I expected to vote for Golden but after sleeping on it and seeing his recent posts I think his suspicion of me is genuine - and this was one of my problems with him, I didn't feel like his suspicions/opinions were genuine. I'll look into him more tomorrow and respond to some of his observations about me and talk about what some of my concerns were, but I'm tabling my suspicion of him for now.

I'm voting Metalmarsh... again, but this time it's FOR REAL. I'm okay with Elo's observation about Llama, I think it was a "slip" worth bringing up and looking into... it's Metalmarsh's harping on the slip that I take issue with. His first post towards Llama is fine, his second reiteration of the point looks like someone trying to be opportunistic about a poor choice of words. It's something I expect more from baddie Marsh than a civvie one.

I also think Greybonez's vote and explanation is suspicious as hell but I don't know him well enough to decide if it's disingenuous and I don't have time to look into it.

Turnip Head expressed much wisdom here. May he rest in peace. I am happy to consider a Metalmarsh lynch tomorrow.

What happened to your scotty suspicion? I'm confused.

It's in my back pocket in case I need it. Don't worry.

Hey Golden, are you bad?

thellama73 wrote:Hey Golden, are you bad?

Nope, are you?

@Monty & crew.

Not sure what to do today. I've been very wrong the last two days.

Golden wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hey Golden, are you bad?

Nope, are you?

Nah, I'm supatown.

I'm voting llama today because I don't believe a word that comes out of that mustache.

My activity will take a nosedive. Classes just began today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting llama today because I don't believe a word that comes out of that mustache.

I'm voting Metalmarsh today because I don't believe a word that comes out of that marmot.