The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:27 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:23 am Feels way different from ME Epi, which is the last bad Epi I can remember. So that makes him look better.

I was not bad in that game. I was an independent who ultimately chose to side with a bad team.

I'm going to rip your arms off and beat Long Con to death with them because of this failure to understand simple independent mechanics.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:28 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:25 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:23 am I think you're basically describing town Eloh behavior and calling it a case for her badness. Epi calls you out
Can you recall an example of a town Elohcin that fits the general description I provided in my post?

Yeah. Now you got me questioning my memory.

More tomorrow reading.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:29 am**

Reminder to self to make a thread in the lounge explaining why GTH reads have value.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:32 am**

I'm going to be a contrarian and vote for the other no-show.

Hi everyone. I see there's about 15 new pages. What's new. Someone catch me up.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:32 am**

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention], why the vote for Lurker B when Lurker A is already solidly in the lead?

linki: k

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am**

Wilgy, what is your present read on Jack?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:32 am @DrWilgy, why the vote for Lurker B when Lurker A is already solidly in the lead?

linki: k

What does it matter? What line of thinking would an answer lead you down?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:37 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:32 am DrWilgy, why the vote for Lurker B when Lurker A is already solidly in the lead?

linki: k
What does it matter? What line of thinking would an answer lead you down?

Your usage of your voting power matters for the same reasons it would in any day phase of any game. Answer my other question about Jack.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:37 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:21 am Oh!

Re: Jimmy attacking Sig

Not fair to compare early pirates Sig to late pirates Sig and then contrast early pirates Sig with Sig here cause he got real busy irl. I want to hear more from Sig and won't give him a pass all game but still. Not a fair comparison imo.

Jay, thoughts on this post?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:38 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am Wilgy, what is your present read on Jack?

He's probably bad, but like I said, I wanted to take a step back and reassess. I have been unable to do so. It's a bit disheartening.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:39 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:37 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:32 am DrWilgy, why the vote for Lurker B when Lurker A is already solidly in the lead?

linki: k
What does it matter? What line of thinking would an answer lead you down?
Your usage of your voting power matters for the same reasons it would in any day phase of any game. Answer my other question about Jack.

What? How?

Patience is a virtue JJJ.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am**

Another issue that bothers me about 3J is that he hasn't placed his vote on anybody.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am Another issue that bothers me about 3J is that he hasn't placed his vote on anybody.

This is indeed troubling.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:21 am Oh!

Re: Jimmy attacking Sig

Not fair to compare early pirates Sig to late pirates Sig and then contrast early pirates Sig with Sig here cause he got real busy irl. I want to hear more from Sig and won't give him a pass all game but still. Not a fair comparison imo.
Jay, thoughts on this post?

Jack's point is fair enough. It is true that sig was busy. My willingness to give people a break for that is limited, because I have seen too many bad guys use that as an excuse to hide from the game thread (including myself in the past). That doesn't have to mean sig was doing that.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:42 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am Wilgy, what is your present read on Jack?
He's probably bad, but like I said, I wanted to take a step back and reassess. I have been unable to do so. It's a bit disheartening.

What is the source of your hesitation?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:42 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:21 am Oh!

Re: Jimmy attacking Sig

Not fair to compare early pirates Sig to late pirates Sig and then contrast early pirates Sig with Sig here cause he got real busy irl. I want to hear more from Sig and won't give him a pass all game but still. Not a fair comparison imo.
Jay, thoughts on this post?
Jack's point is fair enough. It is true that sig was busy. My willingness to give people a break for that is limited, because I have seen too many bad guys use that as an excuse to hide from the game thread (including myself in the past). That doesn't have to mean sig was doing that.

Pretend you can't vote for a low-poster today. who gets your vote?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:46 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am Another issue that bothers me about 3J is that he hasn't placed his vote on anybody.
This is indeed troubling.

Let's lynch Elohcin.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:48 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:46 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am Another issue that bothers me about 3J is that he hasn't placed his vote on anybody.
This is indeed troubling.
Let's lynch Elohcin.

why?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am**

Hey sorry I haven't been around for most of the discussion. Been periodically catching up while doing other stuff. I'm cool with the Dom lynch but since there's already a comfortable lead there I'm tempted to put a symbolic vote somewhere, probably Jay at this point tbh.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am**

The primary defense I have seen fielded for Elohcin is "that's just how she is". I don't agree with that. I don't make these observations about her in every game. Hell, in many of her recent games she just hasn't made enough posts to facilitate (hi Quin) these observations.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:42 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am Wilgy, what is your present read on Jack?
He's probably bad, but like I said, I wanted to take a step back and reassess. I have been unable to do so. It's a bit disheartening.
What is the source of your hesitation?

I've actually only had time to digest about 10% of this game. Also, when trying to reassess my read I practise reading someone as if they were both civ or mafia. I cant read Jack's posts as civ, meaning bias has formed. I want to be right that he's scum while not having enough info to weigh others.

JJJ back to you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:37 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:32 am DrWilgy, why the vote for Lurker B when Lurker A is already solidly in the lead?

linki: k
What does it matter? What line of thinking would an answer lead you down?
Your usage of your voting power matters for the same reasons it would in any day phase of any game. Answer my other question about Jack.

In the quote why did you ignore "what line of thinking would an answer lead you down?" And shift the subject?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:50 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:48 amwhy?

Click

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:51 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am Man, Wilgy is sexy...

You too bud.

Can I have a quick sum up of your thoughts about this game? Just what's on top of your head?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:52 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am Hey sorry I haven't been around for most of the discussion. Been periodically catching up while doing other stuff. I'm cool with the Dom lynch but since there's already a comfortable lead there I'm tempted to put a symbolic vote somewhere, probably Jay at this point tbh.

I have attracted quite a lot of vague suspicion over the last few pages. I know why Epignosis is concerned. Those others who've expressed recent discontent -- why?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:53 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am In the quote why did you ignore "what line of thinking would an answer lead you down?" And shift the subject?

I don't know what that question means. What does that question mean?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:54 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:52 amI have attracted quite a lot of vague suspicion over the last few pages. I know why Epignosis is concerned. Those others who've expressed recent discontent -- why?

You ignored a pretty important question of mine without rhyme or reason.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:55 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am The primary defense I have seen fielded for Elohcin is "that's just how she is". I don't agree with that. I don't make these observations about her in every game. Hell, in many of her recent games she just hasn't made enough posts to facilitate (hi Quin) these observations.

What does a civilian Elohcin look like?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:55 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:53 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am In the quote why did you ignore "what line of thinking would an answer lead you down?" And shift the subject?
I don't know what that question means. What does that question mean?

If I answered X, what would you think? If I answered Y, what would you think?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:03 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:55 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am The primary defense I have seen fielded for Elohcin is "that's just how she is". I don't agree with that. I don't make these observations about her in every game. Hell, in many of her recent games she just hasn't made enough posts to facilitate (hi Quin) these observations.
What does a civilian Elohcin look like?

The first thing that comes to mind is a willingness to throw a vote into a consensus without inserting analytic or intuitive effort into that. She often doesn't even play catch-up, but rather gives the thread the finger (especially when it's a highly-active game), and I think I've seen that from her more than once as a civilian.

This is about a read at face value of her sincerity. Any player, regardless of their "style" or "tendencies" is capable of seeming insincere in a game. I don't always have this perspective of Elohcin.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:05 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:51 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am Man, Wilgy is sexy...
You too bud.

Can I have a quick sum up of your thoughts about this game? Just what's on top of your head?

I have nothing strong at the moment. When Day 2 ended I was gung-ho about cbob when Day 2 ended but since then I've fallen a bit behind and am not in a position of much confidence for this EoD. I have more town reads than scum reads and am currently doubting every suspicion that I've had.

With regards to lynching Dom, I don't hate the lynch itself but I would prefer a lynch with more substance behind it for multiple reasons.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:05 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:55 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:53 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am In the quote why did you ignore "what line of thinking would an answer lead you down?" And shift the subject?
I don't know what that question means. What does that question mean?
If I answered X, what would you think? If I answered Y, what would you think?

I don't typically make that decision before I receive an answer, unless there's some glaring problem that I am deconstructing. I don't know what I'd think. I asked you a question about a curious voting move, and there could be any number of possible ways you'd respond to that.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 am**

why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:08 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 am why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.

What's the worst thing you could say about Lasagne?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:09 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:08 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 am why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.
What's the worst thing you could say about Lasagne?

She has 24 posts, at least 20 of those say nothing but bolster her presence in the thread.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 am**

Absolutely nobody has resisted a Dom lynch at any point in this game, that I can recall.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:11 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am Hey sorry I haven't been around for most of the discussion. Been periodically catching up while doing other stuff. I'm cool with the Dom lynch but since there's already a comfortable lead there I'm tempted to put a symbolic vote somewhere, probably Jay at this point tbh.
I have attracted quite a lot of vague suspicion over the last few pages. I know why Epignosis is concerned. Those others who've expressed recent discontent -- why?

I don't believe you.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:11 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 am why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.

I'd be okay with a Mesk lynch. Momentum may be difficult at this late point however.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:12 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 am Absolutely nobody has resisted a Dom lynch at any point in this game, that I can recall.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:13 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:09 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:08 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 am why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.
What's the worst thing you could say about Lasagne?
She has 24 posts, at least 20 of those say nothing but bolster her presence in the thread.

I can get behind this.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:13 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 am Absolutely nobody has resisted a Dom lynch at any point in this game, that I can recall.

you don't count

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:14 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:09 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:08 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 am why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.
What's the worst thing you could say about Lasagne?
She has 24 posts, at least 20 of those say nothing but bolster her presence in the thread.

I saw one decent thing when I reviewed her. It's not the most substantive thing. I would agree that her post count is inflated with respect to the content within it. I could do that lynch.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:15 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:11 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am Hey sorry I haven't been around for most of the discussion. Been periodically catching up while doing other stuff. I'm cool with the Dom lynch but since there's already a comfortable lead there I'm tempted to put a symbolic vote somewhere, probably Jay at this point tbh.
I have attracted quite a lot of vague suspicion over the last few pages. I know why Epignosis is concerned. Those others who've expressed recent discontent -- why?
I don't believe you.

About what?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:15 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:03 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:55 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am The primary defense I have seen fielded for Elohcin is "that's just how she is". I don't agree with that. I don't make these observations about her in every game. Hell, in many of her recent games she just hasn't made enough posts to facilitate (hi Quin) these observations.
What does a civilian Elohcin look like?
The first thing that comes to mind is a willingness to throw a vote into a consensus without inserting analytic or intuitive effort into that. She often doesn't even play catch-up, but rather gives the thread the finger (especially when it's a highly-active game), and I think I've seen that from her more than once as a civilian.

This is about a read at face value of her sincerity. Any player, regardless of their "style" or "tendencies" is capable of seeming insincere in a game. I don't always have this perspective of Elohcin.

This strikes me as you are bad and circumstance is robbing you of people to accuse.

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:15 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:11 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am Hey sorry I haven't been around for most of the discussion. Been periodically catching up while doing other stuff. I'm cool with the Dom lynch but since there's already a comfortable lead there I'm tempted to put a symbolic vote somewhere, probably Jay at this point tbh.
I have attracted quite a lot of vague suspicion over the last few pages. I know why Epignosis is concerned. Those others who've expressed recent discontent -- why?
I don't believe you.
About what?

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Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:16 am**

Mesk514

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:16 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:15 am This strikes me as you are bad and circumstance is robbing you of people to accuse.

What does a civilian Elohcin look like?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:17 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 am Absolutely nobody has resisted a Dom lynch at any point in this game, that I can recall.

Why should anyone?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:17 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:05 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:51 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am Man, Wilgy is sexy...
You too bud.

Can I have a quick sum up of your thoughts about this game? Just what's on top of your head?
I have nothing strong at the moment. When Day 2 ended I was gung-ho about cbob when Day 2 ended but since then I've fallen a bit behind and am not in a position of much confidence for this EoD. I have more town reads than scum reads and am currently doubting every suspicion that I've had.

Thank you sloonbeard, that'll do.

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] What do you think of sloon's suspicion on you? Your next, what are your current thoughts? Just the top of your head?

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:17 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:13 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 am Absolutely nobody has resisted a Dom lynch at any point in this game, that I can recall.

you don't count

ok listen here bitch

Posted: **Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:18 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:15 am Mountain Mafia [DAY 3]

k well there's shit all I can do about that beyond continuing to play the game.

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