Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:13 pm
I will explain why I have done this to you as the day nears its end.
The Syndicate
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:28 pm
Kites highlighted the post from Lunalee that bugs me the most:
Just looks fake, and that it's an interaction with Mac amplifies the issue.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:30 amHow can you have such a different opinion on Kites's post? Crazy. It didn't look good to me at all (unless we aren't both talking about his read post?)MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:59 am Okay I just reaalised how stupid it is to make a post for each person so here's one post for everyone left
Jesus fuck that Kites wall post is gold. I'm gonna read it some more after I get back to it but it's the biggest town look so far. So much sincerity.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:16 pm I don't think niju's vote at EOD1 looks bad as an attempt to save Mac. Mac wasn't likely to be saved at that point, as the tally was 8-4 in his favor with seven minutes remaining to the deadline.
I just think her rationale for placing the vote regardless of where looked cooked.
I'm not sure what "cooked" means but I agree her rationale was terrible.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:29 pm
omgsoh why did those italics appear?
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:32 pm
I have also accused niju of that 80 times now and heard nothing in response from her.
[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention]
[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention]
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:39 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:23 pmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:13 pm
I will explain why I have done this to you as the day nears its end.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:44 pm
Idk, I don’t get much out of the tone of the reasons for inactivity. I think it’s easy to fake a sincere sounding excuse or apology for not doing something. I know I’m guilty of doing it plenty of times so maybe I just think everyone does itJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:22 pm I have no reason at all to call leetic a civilian. There are no interactive points in his favor, and none of his posts look particularly "good" to me.
Neverwhere has at a few isolated moments exhibited a decent tone. This apology is an example. I like this tone too. It's not much, but it's more than zero.
I thought her Jack interactions were a slight positive tick for Luna. More tha zero.
7 of niju's 11 posts feature some kind of comment relating to her not being here. To be fair Neverwhere's ratio is similar. Among the four though niju is the only one for whom I have active suspicion.
so if niju’s vote was just a quick throwaway vote
might as well have abstained but probably felt forced to vote, to contribute something (civs feel this too)
you’d think mafia would rather choose mac for civ points in this situation where your vote doesn’t matter anymore
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:47 pm
Could be. It was close enough to the deadline that I am not sure it's so simple. When a wagon is secured on a mafioso and people tack on meaningless votes at the end, those are often the ones that get accused of bussing (trying to salvage some credit once they realize they have to lose a member). Some people will deliberately avoid that.
It's all WIFOM though.
In this poll I'm lynching niju or leetic.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 pmYou must help yourself, aspiring supertown president. Be the best novaselinenever that you can be.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:48 pm
I am literally giving you that opportunity. So far today you're not doing much with it.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:48 pmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 pmYou must help yourself, aspiring supertown president. Be the best novaselinenever that you can be.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:49 pm
More of this please. Emojis are useless.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:14 pm Nova mind,
Leetic - no relaxed
Luna - relaxed
Neverwhere - no relaxed
Niju - no relaxed
Rey- relaxed
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:50 pm
But ChineseJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:48 pmI am literally giving you that opportunity. So far today you're not doing much with it.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:48 pmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 pmYou must help yourself, aspiring supertown president. Be the best novaselinenever that you can be.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:50 pm
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:51 pm
Believe it or not this one is more helpful.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:52 pm
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:52 pm
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:53 pm
Sorta. It's a b-side on the new hot single Jay Insanified Novanovaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:52 pm
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:54 pm
Y'all should tell me how you feel about DDL bringing us this poll.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:01 pm
if i trust my intuition (it’s not like you can do much else) I’d go with luna
niju seems to be a safe pick too
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] did you give a reason for your luna vote
niju seems to be a safe pick too
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] did you give a reason for your luna vote
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:03 pm
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:06 pm
I can be sold on a Luna lynch too. The "evidence" in her favor is debatable.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:08 pm
I think I've already posted that but if you missed it I'm not a fan. We were doing fine without a limited pool of targets. He says he based it off the GTH but as I recall that was only a few people. I'm not sure whether the power can go both ways or not, he says it's always been civ when he's seen it but this is a weird game.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:54 pm Y'all should tell me how you feel about DDL bringing us this poll.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:10 pm
hmmmmmm okay mate[VOTE: LUNA] aubergine
I’m happy with niju lynch too and I predict she will get lynched today. My gut says there’s something fishy about luna. Also I don’t want to give niju a lead in votes to make things more interesting, see how the wagons develop
Gonna eat now byes
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:14 pm
Any reason you chose reywaS over Elohcin?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:43 am- Look at the GTH we just did. It's probably a low poster.
- Getting the low posters to post.
- Getting people to talk about them.
- Removing myself from the poll for a while.
- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
- Knocking mafia out of their confort zone. Mafia hates randomness.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:28 pm
I'm going to go ahead and vote [mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] though I could change my mind if there is a compelling argument for someone else.
I was not leaning bad on Luna until she outted speed. I don't see the reason for that, outting someone else that you think is 95% civ just doesn't make sense to me and her only reason is "someone asked me why I thought speed was civ". I mean, if you have to out the person in order to explain your statement don't make the statement at all!
leetic's reason for not being here, while I didn't like it, seemed ok but I didn't like him pushing us away from voting for a low poster before DDL limited us.
So, as I said, if someone feels really strongly about Luna or leetic over niju with good reasons I could swing to one of them.
I was not leaning bad on Luna until she outted speed. I don't see the reason for that, outting someone else that you think is 95% civ just doesn't make sense to me and her only reason is "someone asked me why I thought speed was civ". I mean, if you have to out the person in order to explain your statement don't make the statement at all!
leetic's reason for not being here, while I didn't like it, seemed ok but I didn't like him pushing us away from voting for a low poster before DDL limited us.
So, as I said, if someone feels really strongly about Luna or leetic over niju with good reasons I could swing to one of them.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:32 pm
Jay, I’m not sure I buythat this is a civ move on DDL’s part. But I don’t see why he would claim it so willingly as a baddie either.
Someone said mafia hate randomness, I don’t recall who it was, but I completely disagree with that idea. Methodical discussion and eliminating people as suspects is what gets civs the win, so random is the opposite of good for civs generally speaking.
I will say it is a risk as a baddie to make a smaller pool unless you are certain that your team won’t be in it.
He said it was the lowest four posters at the time he used the power. Did Luna have less posts than kites though?
Someone said mafia hate randomness, I don’t recall who it was, but I completely disagree with that idea. Methodical discussion and eliminating people as suspects is what gets civs the win, so random is the opposite of good for civs generally speaking.
I will say it is a risk as a baddie to make a smaller pool unless you are certain that your team won’t be in it.
He said it was the lowest four posters at the time he used the power. Did Luna have less posts than kites though?
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:33 pm
As soon as I finished posting I realized something. If Luna is bad, there wasn't a reason to expose speed. She would have already told her team after she had btsc with him. So, my reasoning there was not very good.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:34 pm
Wait is speedchuck actually a neighborizer? No wonder Mata was confused. 
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:35 pm
It was DDL who said mafia hated randomness.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:32 pm Jay, I’m not sure I buythat this is a civ move on DDL’s part. But I don’t see why he would claim it so willingly as a baddie either.
Someone said mafia hate randomness, I don’t recall who it was, but I completely disagree with that idea. Methodical discussion and eliminating people as suspects is what gets civs the win, so random is the opposite of good for civs generally speaking.
I will say it is a risk as a baddie to make a smaller pool unless you are certain that your team won’t be in it.
He said it was the lowest four posters at the time he used the power. Did Luna have less posts than kites though?
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:36 pm
Is that what it's called? When you can have bts with others? If so, he is.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:34 pm Wait is speedchuck actually a neighborizer? No wonder Mata was confused.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 3]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:37 pm
What do you mean by this, leetic?leetic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:49 pmGoing after only inactives can slow the town down this early on though.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:54 pmI didn't say that. But I do think at some point we'll have such a high concentration of civs among the actives that letting the inactives stay untouched will not be optimal.leetic wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:53 pmIs there really no one else active who is suspicious?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:52 pm After Jack is done I think we need to start tackling them inactives.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:38 pm
It's a variant on that role, not quite the same thing. He had the same role in the bulbagarden game many of us just played. That's why I thought he was making a joke.juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:36 pmIs that what it's called? When you can have bts with others? If so, he is.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:34 pm Wait is speedchuck actually a neighborizer? No wonder Mata was confused.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:50 pm
I thought I was going crazy. He posted about it 6 times, so I couldn’t understand the joke. But we have no proof of it. Just Luna reinforcing the claim. Which seems suspicious in hindsight.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:34 pm Wait is speedchuck actually a neighborizer? No wonder Mata was confused.
I’d almost like to see a tie between Luna and Niju.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:52 pm
I can tell you that he does have that power.Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:50 pmI thought I was going crazy. He posted about it 6 times, so I couldn’t understand the joke. But we have no proof of it. Just Luna reinforcing the claim. Which seems suspicious in hindsight.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:34 pm Wait is speedchuck actually a neighborizer? No wonder Mata was confused.
I’d almost like to see a tie between Luna and Niju.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:53 pm
[mention]Matahari[/mention] why do you want to see a tie?
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:58 pm
Thanks Juliet’s. That clears that up. The reason I’d like to see a tie is because it will possibly clear up another suspect for me. Seeing how things go throughout the day. But, if I had to vote right now, it would be for Niju.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:58 pm
In this case I wouldn't say that Luna outed him then. He outed himself a while ago. I just didn't realize he was serious.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:00 pm
oh ok I missed that somehow.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:58 pm In this case I wouldn't say that Luna outed him then. He outed himself a while ago. I just didn't realize he was serious.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 1]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:10 pmNo man I'm a neighborizernovaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:58 pmI'm not but I think you might bespeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:37 pmthis time maybe you'll be scum
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:04 pm
So Mata, the host usually resolves a tie by flipping a coin or having a role in the game that decides who gets lynched if there is a tie. I'm still puzzled as to how that helps you. Was there something that I missed in this game that said ties are resolved differently that would help you clear up another suspect? I'm sorry I'm so dense.
linki with [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] oh wow I see now. Thanks.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:07 pm
I assume she means that if there is a tie and one of these people in the tie are bad with someone not int he tie, their vote could be telling.juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:04 pmSo Mata, the host usually resolves a tie by flipping a coin or having a role in the game that decides who gets lynched if there is a tie. I'm still puzzled as to how that helps you. Was there something that I missed in this game that said ties are resolved differently that would help you clear up another suspect? I'm sorry I'm so dense.
linki with @JaggedJimmyJay oh wow I see now. Thanks.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:07 pm
I don’t think she wants it to end in a tie
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:12 pm
Oh! ok, that didn't even occur to me.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:07 pmI assume she means that if there is a tie and one of these people in the tie are bad with someone not int he tie, their vote could be telling.juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:04 pmSo Mata, the host usually resolves a tie by flipping a coin or having a role in the game that decides who gets lynched if there is a tie. I'm still puzzled as to how that helps you. Was there something that I missed in this game that said ties are resolved differently that would help you clear up another suspect? I'm sorry I'm so dense.
linki with @JaggedJimmyJay oh wow I see now. Thanks.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:15 pm
[mention]juliets[/mention] it’s just that I’d like to see how people react to the possibility of a tie. How many times votes change, etc.
So this sounds very hypocritical, even though I’m in favor of playing around with the voting to help me out with my suspect list, I’m very opposed to the restricted poll. I’m having a difficult time believing there is anything town about that ability.
So this sounds very hypocritical, even though I’m in favor of playing around with the voting to help me out with my suspect list, I’m very opposed to the restricted poll. I’m having a difficult time believing there is anything town about that ability.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:19 pm
Thanks Mata, and yeah I'm not a fan of the restricted poll either.Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:15 pm @juliets it’s just that I’d like to see how people react to the possibility of a tie. How many times votes change, etc.
So this sounds very hypocritical, even though I’m in favor of playing around with the voting to help me out with my suspect list, I’m very opposed to the restricted poll. I’m having a difficult time believing there is anything town about that ability.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:34 pm Wait is speedchuck actually a neighborizer? No wonder Mata was confused.
I was having a lot of fun being vague about it.Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:20 pm
Do you remember seeing a good version?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:57 amDont remember seeing a bad version of it.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:40 amCitation needed.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:43 am - Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:21 pm
I disagree. Generally abilities hitting people at random results in revealed baddies and vigged baddies, which means much more for the baddies than the civs. I've lost count of how many games I hosted where I gave the mafia the ability to randomize someone's actions and it ended up backfiring on them. While in terms of thread, a game where town is constantly attacking different people and not following predictable patterns means more things for mafia to react to. Mafia likes a game that follows a smooth lynch order which they can control.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:32 pm Jay, I’m not sure I buythat this is a civ move on DDL’s part. But I don’t see why he would claim it so willingly as a baddie either.
Someone said mafia hate randomness, I don’t recall who it was, but I completely disagree with that idea. Methodical discussion and eliminating people as suspects is what gets civs the win, so random is the opposite of good for civs generally speaking.
I will say it is a risk as a baddie to make a smaller pool unless you are certain that your team won’t be in it.
He said it was the lowest four posters at the time he used the power. Did Luna have less posts than kites though?
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:22 pm
I remember seeing versions of it, and if my memory doesn't betray me they were good.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:20 pmDo you remember seeing a good version?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:57 amDont remember seeing a bad version of it.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:40 amCitation needed.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:43 am - Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
Re: Steely Dan Mafia [Day 4]
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:20 pm Those were the 5 lowest posters the moment I sent the ability.