The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:37 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:16 pm I'm reconsidering my townread of Epignosis. Above is every interaction he had with Made. Most of these are off topic or fluffy. In one post he did ask tutuu why she townread Made. Thats's the closest to talking about him in the context of this game that Epignosis gets. This isn't how I'd expect Epignosis to handle a teammate, but it's not how I'd expect him to handle Made as town either if I think about it. I think I'd expect more probing and at least one question directed at Made or a post as to why he thinks Made's scum. Epignosis aside, I think these interactions are teammate compatible.

Then he votes for Made.

At least with the other votes that Epi made throughout the day that look like serious votes, he explained reasons for them. I suppose it's possible Epignosis wasn't serious? Then again, his first post after the flip was "It's better to be lucky than good". I don't think he'd call himself lucky if the vote was a joke, he'd admit it was a joke.

@Epignosis What did you mean by "Tell me why this is wrong" in that vote post?
this doesn’t seem partner-y to me

Why not?

First of all, he posted this in the middle of Night 1. Day 2 he puts a vote on Epi and barely says two words about it. Doesn't talk about Epi at all for the rest of the day, but he can push Sean, Tony, Martin just fine as the day goes on. Then:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:03 pm Back-burner Epi, I like it

That's not partnery at all?

And look at Epi's big Seanzie-Marmot case last night. He did a big wall All About Seanzie, with several defined points about why Seanzie is scum, and then tacked on that it's a Seanzie-Marmot team, with his Marmot reasoning being "he didn't vote Made" and "just for fun".

Are you not seeing any of this?

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:40 pm**

not really. you’re omitting other posts marmot made about epi

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:41 pm**

ya i mean, hopefully its just mr but if its not him i will still consider marmot and seanzie and see no reason to instantly decide it has to be hally, and yes i have iso'd people (not for epi but its still in my memory)

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:42 pm**

but whatever. radishes first then we’ll see

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:42 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:41 pm ya i mean, hopefully its just mr but if its not him i will still consider marmot and seanzie and see no reason to instantly decide it has to be hally, and yes i have iso'd people (not for epi but its still in my memory)

i’m pretty confident it’s never sean

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:43 pm**

the only one who is more clear right now than sean is jules

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:44 pm**

ok, i disagree

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:46 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:44 pmok, i disagree

i suggest isoing epi and ctrl+f’ing sean. sean has been epi’s main push since D0 and epi has never let up on it

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:46 pm**

and sean has consistently pushed epi too even when other candidates were readily pushable

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:48 pm**

i suggest isoing long con and control+f'ing epi and tutuu. the way the interacted with both fo them make him clearly town

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:48 pm**

and long con has consistently been towny even though the option of being scummy was readily pushable

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:50 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:48 pm i suggest isoing long con and control+f'ing epi and tutuu. the way the interacted with both fo them make him clearly town

well it’s a good thing there’s more than one villager left then

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:50 pm**

tutuu you’re aware i’m clearing long con too, yes?

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:51 pm**

like. they‘re both town lol

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:52 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:40 pm not really. you’re omitting other posts marmot made about epi

I'm not intentionally omitting anything worthwhile.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:50 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:23 pm What do you think about his handling of Made aside from the vote?

I talked a little bit about my opinion on that here. I think it's teammate compatible.

That said, MR is probably getting my vote today.
This one? "Epi's bad but I'm voting MR"?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:56 pm If you think Epignosis ISO'ing everyone's interactions with Made after his flip is townie, I would like to point out he'd absolutely do that as scum.

If there are other reasons you think he's town, fine I get it.

I agree sean's extremely townie, I'm probably just tin-foiling. :P
This one? "He does that as town or scum"?

Or the argument with Epi about whether being in horny jail was bad, or whatever?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:17 pm LC and MR haven't voted yet and I don't particularly like that.

It also looks like LC is the only one who seems to agree with me about Epi, and one of my strong townreads has discouraged me there, so I'mma drop it for now since it doesn't look viable. I'm watching you though Epi!

[VOTE: MartinGG99] aubergine
What am I, chopped Marmot?
This one? Where he didn't vote for Epignosis when Sean and I did?

Where are you seeing teammate-incompatibility? I don't get it.

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:52 pm**

well our definitions of worthwhile seem to differ

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:53 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:51 pm like. they‘re both town lol

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:46 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:44 pmok, i disagree
i suggest isoing epi and ctrl+f’ing sean. sean has been epi’s main push since D0 and epi has never let up on it

then posts like this are pointless when our reads are similar and we just disagree on the top townread

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:53 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:46 pm and sean has consistently pushed epi too even when other candidates were readily pushable

Yeah, Sean is very clear to me.

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:54 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:52 pm well our definitions of worthwhile seem to differ

I totally messed up that quote, I hope you understood it.... I'm gonna remake it

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:55 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:40 pm not really. you’re omitting other posts marmot made about epi

I'm not intentionally omitting anything worthwhile.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:50 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:23 pm What do you think about his handling of Made aside from the vote?

I talked a little bit about my opinion on that here. I think it's teammate compatible.

That said, MR is probably getting my vote today.

This one? "Epi's bad but I'm voting MR"?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:56 pm If you think Epignosis ISO'ing everyone's interactions with Made after his flip is townie, I would like to point out he'd absolutely do that as scum.

If there are other reasons you think he's town, fine I get it.

I agree sean's extremely townie, I'm probably just tin-foiling. :P

This one? "He does that as town or scum"?

Or the argument with Epi about whether being in horny jail was bad, or whatever?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:17 pm LC and MR haven't voted yet and I don't particularly like that.

It also looks like LC is the only one who seems to agree with me about Epi, and one of my strong townreads has discouraged me there, so I'mma drop it for now since it doesn't look viable. I'm watching you though Epi!

[VOTE: MartinGG99] aubergine
What am I, chopped Marmot?

This one? Where he didn't vote for Epignosis when Sean and I did?

Where are you seeing teammate-incompatibility? I don't get it.

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:56 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:53 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:51 pm like. they‘re both town lol

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:46 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:44 pmok, i disagree
i suggest isoing epi and ctrl+f’ing sean. sean has been epi’s main push since D0 and epi has never let up on it
then posts like this are pointless when our reads are similar and we just disagree on the top townread

my understanding when you said you disagreed was that you aren’t clearing sean because the post before that you said you were considering him

if all you were saying was that sean is your second or third top town instead of your first then your disagreement was also pointless

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:59 pm**

lc, let’s chop radishes and then go from there. i think marmot is different from his scum games. i think there are things in his iso he would be less likely to say as w/w with epi. if he is alive in F3 with me i’ll consider him

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:01 pm**

he can be my third top town after juliets and lc and i can still consider him, those two dont have to be mutually exclusive

and there is nothing pointless about my disagreement. i perceived your posts as nudging me towards me agreeing with your opinion - by quoting my post and stating that seanzie is the most clear person as if its an undisputable fact. you wanted to initiate fmpov so i responded

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:01 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:59 pm lc, let’s chop radishes and then go from there. i think marmot is different from his scum games. i think there are things in his iso he would be less likely to say as w/w with epi. if he is alive in F3 with me i’ll consider him

Ok fair. We have some wiggle room now, at least.

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:08 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:01 pm he can be my third top town after juliets and lc and i can still consider him, those two dont have to be mutually exclusive

and there is nothing pointless about my disagreement. i perceived your posts as nudging me towards me agreeing with your opinion - by quoting my post and stating that seanzie is the most clear person as if its an undisputable fact. you wanted to initiate fmpov so i responded

i don’t know why you perceived me to be “initiating” anything with you. i don’t even know what that means. as though us disagreeing about a fairly minor point means we’re going to battle or something?

i stated my opinion. i explained it and suggested some things you can look at if you want to see why i have that opinion. or you can not, it’s up to you

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:15 pm**

you disagreeing with me does feel like a battle to me, yes. i perceive you as fairly aggressive (in the game-sense). you dont need to stop doing it, im just sharing the info

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm**

but i am also entp so that could be a factor (i thought enfp but dont think so anymore)

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:23 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:15 pm you disagreeing with me does feel like a battle to me, yes. i perceive you as fairly aggressive (in the game-sense). you dont need to stop doing it, im just sharing the info

okay

well to be clear, i stated my read on sean with conviction because i believe in it strongly. you’re mistaking my conviction for aggression. just because we disagree does not mean i’m trying to battle with you. disagreements happen all the time in games

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:27 pm**

this is a silly argument. i apologize for starting it

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:41 pm**

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Thanks for checking him last night jules.

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:42 pm**

@Long Con you're tunneling me hard. You, myself, and Sean were the ones pushing to chop Epi since N1 (or earlier), no one else is. Why would any of the three of us be the other scum?

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 pm**

tutuu are you the third mafia?

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:52 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:42 pm @Long Con you're tunneling me hard. You, myself, and Sean were the ones pushing to chop Epi since N1 (or earlier), no one else is. Why would any of the three of us be the other scum?

I just don't think you pushed him very hard at all. I won't belabor what I posted an hour ago, but you did a thing on him Night 1, voted and shut up about him for Day 2, some weak or wishy-washy swipes at him very occasionally, and then didn't vote him when Sean and I did.

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:54 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 pm tutuu are you the third mafia?

i am not

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:56 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:42 pm @Long Con you're tunneling me hard. You, myself, and Sean were the ones pushing to chop Epi since N1 (or earlier), no one else is. Why would any of the three of us be the other scum?
I just don't think you pushed him very hard at all. I won't belabor what I posted an hour ago, but you did a thing on him Night 1, voted and shut up about him for Day 2, some weak or wishy-washy swipes at him very occasionally, and then didn't vote him when Sean and I did.

I engaged other players to talk about other possible scummuffins. I wanted to work with establishing a poe and moving from there. I can't spend every moment pushing Epignosis because he's probably not the only one left, and I could be wrong.

I never once changed my mind about him, I just acknowledged that he didn't necessarily have to be chopped yesterday.

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:02 pm**

Why am I focused on the poe? I've seen in enough games recently, town establishing a poe, chopping outside of it or not working together on it, and mafia going on to win. Epignosis was outside of enough people's poe yesterday, that to me, that meant passing for a day.

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:17 pm**

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:18 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:21 pm**

lolol

Posted: **Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:23 pm**

This is where juliets reveals she fakeclaimed the red check.

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am**

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am**

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:08 am**

Just sayin'...

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:46 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:48 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:53 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:02 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:03 am**

Posted: **Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:03 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:53 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:40 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

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