The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm**

guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:12 pm I think assuming Made is town is fine. I assume that too. No voting between a very close V/W wagon is honestly scum indivative.

if I was a vigilante I would have shot Made last night

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:14 pm**

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol

just make it capable of being read on a phone and I'll probably get pocketed by it

also make me green in it

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:07 pm actually @JaggedJimmyJay can you explain why you think the nutella wagon looks clear. For each player or in general, I don't really mind

Sure, at least briefly.

Alison - she went to work against nutella early and often, and given the town coring dynamics of Day 1 (and nutella's opportunities to land in a core), I highly doubt that's Alison's strategy as a teammate. Also she's poisoned.

Sonny - his vote seemed relatively carefree, like he was content to follow the lead of at least two people I see (Mac and Nanook) given his own meh read on nutella and his trust in Nanook's instincts. It's hard to associate much of an agenda with this vote. This is perhaps a softer reason than I can offer for some.

Made - I have no reason to say this is a clean vote other than his counterwagon reaching 7/8 votes.

lost monkey - nutella picked monkey as her token punching bad on Day 1, and I think the most likely reason was that she saw monkey as a viable mischop in the budding POE environment

Gavial - nutella's treatment of him as mind-numbing gooftown might be TMI. I think Nanook's assertion that this can be less sterling a vote with a squint is agreeable (with a squint).

Nanook - his progression on nutella was a mirror of my own except better

Mac - this is similar to Alison's case just as it pertains to his anti-nutella stance and her reception of it. "he'll move his vote eventually" -- she was probably trying to play cat and mouse with a town threat

Guillotine - just looks like obvious town in general for various reasons and moved against nutella early in the day

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm**

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:02 pm I kinda wouldn't be surprised if tangrowth was a wolf considering I feel like they generated a lot of the energy to make made a wagon.

Well after we get another mafia down today (that being Hawk), I’ll go ahead and target them next.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:12 pm I think assuming Made is town is fine. I assume that too. No voting between a very close V/W wagon is honestly scum indivative.
if I was a vigilante I would have shot Made last night

For what? nutella was in danger and he got flash wagoned.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm**

Jay is starting the day at 45% likely to be town and he is reducing by 2% for every hour he doesn't start doing his interactive analyses.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:11 pm I thought he was the doc with a save on JJJ.

Now we know JJJ has three visitors we can presume one of them is the doc and the other carried the nightkill.

4

That all I'm saying

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:16 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:07 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:04 pm Part of me says JJ could be town.

The other part of me is saying that JJ looked bad here

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 37#p795337
The first sentence of that is one I knew would result in shit being dropped on my head.

I get it. The most important message that I think one ought to take away from my progression at the end of the day though is that 1) I wanted at least one alternative option to nutella with enough votes to matter so people would have a choice to make instead of shrugvoting the runaway wagon and pissing off. 2) While I endorsed Owner over nutella, I didn't commit much energy at all to actually keeping nutella alive. I was content with her being a wagon.
Well committing energy to keep her alive would out you and that's generally not how people try to save teammates. It's the subtlety in the way you did it that has me turnt.

I get that. But if I want to save her I just do it. I'm JaggedJimmyJay.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:16 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm Jay is starting the day at 45% likely to be town and he is reducing by 2% for every hour he doesn't start doing his interactive analyses.

It'll happen. I have too much going on right now to start that project immediately.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:17 pm**

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol

does green mean compatible or cleared as partners?

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:17 pm**

I mean I suppose Owner could actually still be scum considering Nut didn’t really want to vote there and Hawk didn’t vote anywhere at that time.

But I don’t think Made is EVER scum here because the CFD seemed scum driven especially with both Nut AND Hawk on it.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm**

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol

You did not seem particularly invested in yesterday's outcome. You voted for Made after catching up near the deadline, but you did so with an attitude that amounted to a shrug. Do you object to this characterization of your End of Day posture? Why did you prefer Made over nutella?

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:10 pm You guys should really stop talking about the LoMo question. It's unproductive at best and actively anti town at worst.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:09 pm two from perc and one from syndicate targeted you during the night.

Yeah sorry that's my bad. I didn't realize where that was going.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm**

If everyone but Made on the nutella wagon is pure then Made is also villager. If there are no scum on nutella then all scum are on Made or voting offwagon which strongly indicates V/W.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:12 pm I think assuming Made is town is fine. I assume that too. No voting between a very close V/W wagon is honestly scum indivative.
if I was a vigilante I would have shot Made last night
For what? nutella was in danger and he got flash wagoned.

I have a kill counterwagons policy as a vigi since I saw Rich lay waste to an entire wolf team doing it. Solving every wagon is apex level vig play because it gives town immense information.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm**

Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:17 pm
hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol
does green mean compatible or cleared as partners?

green is compatible

it is worth noting that I also have a tab with my reads which kinda trump the big chart in cases such as guillo where he's almost certainly not teamed with nutella lol, also it is a very small sample size at present

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:12 pm I think assuming Made is town is fine. I assume that too. No voting between a very close V/W wagon is honestly scum indivative.
if I was a vigilante I would have shot Made last night
For what? nutella was in danger and he got flash wagoned.

If I was Doctor I would have been on Made last night.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:19 pm**

Cause Made like ObvTown

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:19 pm**

If they tried to Night 1 me for the fourth time in a row, I am going to be elated. What a great time.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:19 pm**

But no, instead I’m a guy that found scum.
Which in some cases is better then healing.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:19 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:07 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:04 pm Part of me says JJ could be town.

The other part of me is saying that JJ looked bad here

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 37#p795337
The first sentence of that is one I knew would result in shit being dropped on my head.

I get it. The most important message that I think one ought to take away from my progression at the end of the day though is that 1) I wanted at least one alternative option to nutella with enough votes to matter so people would have a choice to make instead of shrugvoting the runaway wagon and pissing off. 2) While I endorsed Owner over nutella, I didn't commit much energy at all to actually keeping nutella alive. I was content with her being a wagon.
Well committing energy to keep her alive would out you and that's generally not how people try to save teammates. It's the subtlety in the way you did it that has me turnt.
I get that. But if I want to save her I just do it. I'm JaggedJimmyJay.

I hate that I love you.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:21 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm Jay is starting the day at 45% likely to be town and he is reducing by 2% for every hour he doesn't start doing his interactive analyses.

Why doesn't this read apply to me?

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:21 pm**

Mac, a Watcher reported three visits to Jay's house and there was no NK. I think the wolves tried to murk him. Sloonei godreads him town. You should drop your tunnel.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:21 pm**

@hawkataine
I need you to claim your target and result.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:23 pm**

wait not 4 it is 3 I'm dumb nevermind.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:24 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm Jay is starting the day at 45% likely to be town and he is reducing by 2% for every hour he doesn't start doing his interactive analyses.
Why doesn't this read apply to me?

You generally only end up doing it if there is an absence of Jay and feel obligated. He has a compulsion. Also because I'm tunneling him.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:25 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm Jay is starting the day at 45% likely to be town and he is reducing by 2% for every hour he doesn't start doing his interactive analyses.
Why doesn't this read apply to me?
You generally only end up doing it if there is an absence of Jay and feel obligated. He has a compulsion. Also because I'm tunneling him.

That's not true, I do it whenever I can.

But also my question was meant to be a rhetorical way of saying "stop tunneling him."

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:26 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:21 pm Mac, a Watcher reported three visits to Jay's house and there was no NK. I think the wolves tried to murk him. Sloonei godreads him town. You should drop your tunnel.

Someone reported 3 ppl targeted him. Those 3 people were probably the watcher themselves, gavial or the person responsible for the dating mechanic and me the cop with a red check.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:26 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:15 pm Jay is starting the day at 45% likely to be town and he is reducing by 2% for every hour he doesn't start doing his interactive analyses.
Why doesn't this read apply to me?
You generally only end up doing it if there is an absence of Jay and feel obligated. He has a compulsion. Also because I'm tunneling him.
That's not true, I do it whenever I can.

But also my question was meant to be a rhetorical way of saying "stop tunneling him."

I think it's important that I tunnel him.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:26 pm**

Anyway what this game state generally suggests to me is that the loudest voices in this game (with nutella removed) are town. We'll see how Tangy works with the day moving forward; I'd still be surprised by a mafia role there. For example, top ten in post count:

Tangrowth368
JaggedJimmyJay347
nutella216
Guillotine195
MacDougall195
Sloonei156
Alison127
Gavial110
Sonny99
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME93

Who's maf? Are any of them maf? GTH no. Sonny or Gavial maybe if I squeeze my brain hard enough.

Engage cooperative POE solving and make this unwinnable for mafia before Day 2 is over. I will do my part with interactive analyses throughout the phase as time permits. Jury, double hosting, and academic conference are in my way. Be back in a lil' while.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:26 pm**

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

formatting??? never did this D1 lmao

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:06 pm @Actvscenei
@Tangrowth

Welcome to my towncore

Not sure how you got there on Tang at all...

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm**

Actv I can see though.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm**

No wait it is 4 I had it right the first time nvm

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm**

ngl ppl telling me not to tunnel Jay just makes me want to do it more

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:28 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm
hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol
You did not seem particularly invested in yesterday's outcome. You voted for Made after catching up near the deadline, but you did so with an attitude that amounted to a shrug. Do you object to this characterization of your End of Day posture? Why did you prefer Made over nutella?

I wanted flips of some kind, I didn't specifically want made dead but I did want to know if that was a wagon that had potential to grow compared to owner who had seemed static, as I was pretty suspicious of how small the owner wagon was. Also some people who seemed to think they could read nutella started expressing doubts quite close to day end so that threw me off a bit. I'm a chaotic EoD voter by nature and very prone to short-term influence by general thread direction, so I will often intentionally store up town reads on myself during the day and tank them at day end for data xD

I had suspicion of nutella during the day, tbh possibly my strongest suspicion which is not saying much because I was mainly making town reads. The reason I didn't ever vote there is by the time I read the thread properly on Sunday she already had a 6-or-7 person wagon or something and I didn't think it was necessary to put her further in the lead, again for wagonomics reasons. If the wagon had started to deflate I probably would have voted there but I appreciate that's utterly meaningless to say now xD

TLDR I didn't particularly want made dead. If I was actually trying to get the wagon off nutella and onto him I probably would have either tried to defend nutella a bit or tried to shade made a bit, instead of laying a naked vote.

Also as an aside I assume Gavial's red check is a joke because it was like the fourth one in a row and it's also wrong but uh if people are voting me just based on that then make yourselves known so I can be annoyed at you ty

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:28 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:32 pm My PoE today

Belzy
Owner
Hawk
LongCon
Dana

Someone from this list must be yeeted today.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart I gave you a second chance yesterday. Town up and show me it was the right decision.

I choose Hawk!

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:28 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm ngl ppl telling me not to tunnel Jay just makes me want to do it more

I'm down to vote him tbhtbh

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:28 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm ngl ppl telling me not to tunnel Jay just makes me want to do it more

Get your rocks off. Just please ensure you do lots of other things too. I am sure you will.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:29 pm**

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm
hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol
You did not seem particularly invested in yesterday's outcome. You voted for Made after catching up near the deadline, but you did so with an attitude that amounted to a shrug. Do you object to this characterization of your End of Day posture? Why did you prefer Made over nutella?
I wanted flips of some kind, I didn't specifically want made dead but I did want to know if that was a wagon that had potential to grow compared to owner who had seemed static, as I was pretty suspicious of how small the owner wagon was. Also some people who seemed to think they could read nutella started expressing doubts quite close to day end so that threw me off a bit. I'm a chaotic EoD voter by nature and very prone to short-term influence by general thread direction, so I will often intentionally store up town reads on myself during the day and tank them at day end for data xD

I had suspicion of nutella during the day, tbh possibly my strongest suspicion which is not saying much because I was mainly making town reads. The reason I didn't ever vote there is by the time I read the thread properly on Sunday she already had a 6-or-7 person wagon or something and I didn't think it was necessary to put her further in the lead, again for wagonomics reasons. If the wagon had started to deflate I probably would have voted there but I appreciate that's utterly meaningless to say now xD

TLDR I didn't particularly want made dead. If I was actually trying to get the wagon off nutella and onto him I probably would have either tried to defend nutella a bit or tried to shade made a bit, instead of laying a naked vote.

Also as an aside I assume Gavial's red check is a joke because it was like the fourth one in a row and it's also wrong but uh if people are voting me just based on that then make yourselves known so I can be annoyed at you ty

It’s not a JOKE AT ALL.

But It’s only red situational.
So I need your target and results.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:29 pm**

It is a good thing when Mac tunnels Jay. He should keep doing it. We're all so proud of him for tunneling Jay.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:31 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm ngl ppl telling me not to tunnel Jay just makes me want to do it more

DO IT!
Even though I have him as hard town myself I think if you do it more and more you’ll read him as town and essentially 180 on them.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:31 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:29 pm It is a good thing when Mac tunnels Jay. He should keep doing it. We're all so proud of him for tunneling Jay.

That's not how you do it you have to be all...

Pretty everyone thinks mac can't go the rest of d2 without tunneling jay.

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:31 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:29 pm It is a good thing when Mac tunnels Jay. He should keep doing it. We're all so proud of him for tunneling Jay.

Indeed!

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:32 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:29 pm
hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm
hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol
You did not seem particularly invested in yesterday's outcome. You voted for Made after catching up near the deadline, but you did so with an attitude that amounted to a shrug. Do you object to this characterization of your End of Day posture? Why did you prefer Made over nutella?
I wanted flips of some kind, I didn't specifically want made dead but I did want to know if that was a wagon that had potential to grow compared to owner who had seemed static, as I was pretty suspicious of how small the owner wagon was. Also some people who seemed to think they could read nutella started expressing doubts quite close to day end so that threw me off a bit. I'm a chaotic EoD voter by nature and very prone to short-term influence by general thread direction, so I will often intentionally store up town reads on myself during the day and tank them at day end for data xD

I had suspicion of nutella during the day, tbh possibly my strongest suspicion which is not saying much because I was mainly making town reads. The reason I didn't ever vote there is by the time I read the thread properly on Sunday she already had a 6-or-7 person wagon or something and I didn't think it was necessary to put her further in the lead, again for wagonomics reasons. If the wagon had started to deflate I probably would have voted there but I appreciate that's utterly meaningless to say now xD

TLDR I didn't particularly want made dead. If I was actually trying to get the wagon off nutella and onto him I probably would have either tried to defend nutella a bit or tried to shade made a bit, instead of laying a naked vote.

Also as an aside I assume Gavial's red check is a joke because it was like the fourth one in a row and it's also wrong but uh if people are voting me just based on that then make yourselves known so I can be annoyed at you ty
It’s not a JOKE AT ALL.

But It’s only red situational.
So I need your target and results.

Okay, in which I promise you do not actually have this red check

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:33 pm**

If another wagon grows and you haven’t claimed your target and result I will hard claim and expose you!

@hawkataine

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:33 pm**

Be warned

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:34 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:33 pm If another wagon grows and you haven’t claimed your target and result I will hard claim and expose you!

@hawkataine

you won't you giant baby

Posted: **Mon May 24, 2021 5:34 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:33 pm If another wagon grows and you haven’t claimed your target and result I will hard claim and expose you!

@hawkataine

noted

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