The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:39 am**

I think Gav is still a townlean for me because wolfsiding is NAI for him. His hard tunnelling isn't AI either, but his solving has been paranoid and fluid enough (starting from a fixed anchor point and making associations from that) that I think it fits more into his town game than his scum one.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:40 am**

To expand: Gav tunnelling as scum is very rigid and sounds like a broken record saying the same thing over and over without variation. Gav tunnelling as town will say the same thing (X is scum) over and over but will actively preflip and try to draw associations between his target and other players, and this web of associations will be much more fluid and dynamic than his scum game. I think he fits into the latter category more here.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:46 am**

im going to sleep
[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
at the moment I am too all over the place, and I think I just want to move on from this day

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:48 am**

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:32 am not every emotion is AtE holy shit
I get annoyed at bad play, it has 0 to do with appealing
meh

I mean I don't think you have, but BK has lmao

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:01 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:23 am Solve with me. I'm not 100% on Tess town. Walk through worlds with me. I'll pretend you're lock-clear for a while and we can work out what worlds could exist.

Sadly it's my bedtime. I have thoughts on Tess-- and was just looking at her iso-- but I'll have to save them until the morning.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:17 am**

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:16 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:58 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:57 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:09 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
bad Ender
Why?

If I read Tess as town, LC as town, Wisp as town, Gav as town...

I mean Dr Wilgy maybe but that implies Alison's POE is terrible.

Which might be the case.

Also weird the way these wagons are sticking. Alison may not be a wolf but there's something funky going on.
Oh don’t worry man.
Alison IS a wolf here.
Gav,

If Alison flips village are you going to accuse me of TMI?

If Alison is somehow villager then your highly likely town.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:19 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:22 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:10 am idk why it seems like nobody will vote Dr Wigly...
its like the only wagon that doesn't seem to stick
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:23 am [VOTE: Dr Wigly] aubergine

I’d rather LC.

I’d like Alison yeet quite allot before it’s too late.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:20 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:29 am Also I think the tdome between me and LC is so large right now that keeping both of us alive another day is going to bring town nothing but sorrow and misery.

It’ll just be the same thing tomorrow with you and Wisp unless you go over.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:22 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:29 am So you should pick either me or LC to vote. If you're smart you'll vote LC.

If you vote outside of me/LC you're doing something that seriously helps the wolves IMO. There is no world where keeping this tdome alive is good for us.

Damn you may be a wolf but you say something I agree with.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:24 am**

Technically though it’s just gonna get worse the longer Alison is alive.

@falcon45ca
Tess ain’t gonna happen, vote Alison.

@EnderWiggin
Why are you on a non-competing wagon?
It’s Alison or LC and logically the correct choice via game state is Alison.

@DrWilgy
Why LC over Alison?

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:24 am**

I also don’t like wisps consistent jump of votes.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:25 am**

@Mizery
Can you come back into Alison?
Falcon ain’t gonna happen today either.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:26 am**

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:46 am im going to sleep
[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
at the moment I am too all over the place, and I think I just want to move on from this day

End with Alison please, not Lime Coke.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:27 am**

If there is gonna be a battle between you and Alison anyway, might as well remove that situation before it occurs.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am**

AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:21 am**

I'm literally going to die and it's because @Wisp is fucking listening to mafia who has been lying the entire fucking game.

Then they're going to let Alison live and never vote her because they point blank REFUSE to look that way.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.

AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.
AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.

Towns literally can fucking use AtE Alison. Plus I've already stated reasons I'm never a wolf here. The fact that you found a shit excuse to discredit those and NOT try to even solve me or evaluate my alignment just means that you're a wolf.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:27 am If there is gonna be a battle between you and Alison anyway, might as well remove that situation before it occurs.

What's going to happen is:

I'll end up lynched today.

Then Wisp is just going to get hammered like a railroad spike and get lynched Day 3.

Then town will still not realize the Alison is just powerwolfing and pushing town after town over and they'll trust her word again and yeet another town.

Rinse wash and repeat until "lolmafiawins."

Town is literally going to sit there and take the L willingly.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:52 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.
AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.
Towns literally can fucking use AtE Alison. Plus I've already stated reasons I'm never a wolf here. The fact that you found a shit excuse to discredit those and NOT try to even solve me or evaluate my alignment just means that you're a wolf.

I don't care about your reasons LC

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:59 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:27 am If there is gonna be a battle between you and Alison anyway, might as well remove that situation before it occurs.
What's going to happen is:

I'll end up lynched today.

Then Wisp is just going to get hammered like a railroad spike and get lynched Day 3.

Then town will still not realize the Alison is just powerwolfing and pushing town after town over and they'll trust her word again and yeet another town.

Rinse wash and repeat until "lolmafiawins."

Town is literally going to sit there and take the L willingly.

Exactly.

@Wisp
Think about this and make sure you are voting Alison!

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:59 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:52 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.
AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.
Towns literally can fucking use AtE Alison. Plus I've already stated reasons I'm never a wolf here. The fact that you found a shit excuse to discredit those and NOT try to even solve me or evaluate my alignment just means that you're a wolf.
I don't care about your reasons LC

I don’t care about your reasons Alison.

Oh wait…… you don’t even have any.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:00 am**

You legit refused to make a proper defence against me from the points I had against you lol.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:01 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.

It’s mainly town siding.

From overall FM world strategics:
57% Town, 43% Mafia.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:02 am**

@EnderWiggin
I’m going to bed and when I wake up your vote should be off the wagon that isn’t happening today.

Why isn’t it happening?
Because we are still going to be left with chaos tomorrow until we resolve Alison.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:05 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:52 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.
AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.
Towns literally can fucking use AtE Alison. Plus I've already stated reasons I'm never a wolf here. The fact that you found a shit excuse to discredit those and NOT try to even solve me or evaluate my alignment just means that you're a wolf.
I don't care about your reasons LC

@Gira @Wisp @falcon45ca @Mizery @EnderWiggin @Luckbox Inc

Explain to me how this is town?

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:23 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:24 am Technically though it’s just gonna get worse the longer Alison is alive.

@falcon45ca
Tess ain’t gonna happen, vote Alison.

@EnderWiggin
Why are you on a non-competing wagon?
It’s Alison or LC and logically the correct choice via game state is Alison.

@DrWilgy
Why LC over Alison?

I like seeing what happens when I poke votes around.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:25 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.
AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.

Town people get emotional.

This is what I said when we were discussing being unfairly tunnelled in team mafia dvc

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:26 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:02 am @EnderWiggin
I’m going to bed and when I wake up your vote should be off the wagon that isn’t happening today.

Why isn’t it happening?
Because we are still going to be left with chaos tomorrow until we resolve Alison.

The contrarian side of me kinda wants to leave my vote there now.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:27 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:52 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.
AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.
Towns literally can fucking use AtE Alison. Plus I've already stated reasons I'm never a wolf here. The fact that you found a shit excuse to discredit those and NOT try to even solve me or evaluate my alignment just means that you're a wolf.
I don't care about your reasons LC
@Gira @Wisp @falcon45ca @Mizery @EnderWiggin @Luckbox Inc

Explain to me how this is town?

Alison is self-centric viewpoint and has clearly said in previous games as town that she's happy to try and prevent viewpoints from people she believes is a wolf.

Is Alison a wolf in this game? Possibly. Is that a wolf-tell for Alison? Nope.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:28 am**

There's part of my gut that worries this is t/t

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:33 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:26 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:02 am @EnderWiggin
I’m going to bed and when I wake up your vote should be off the wagon that isn’t happening today.

Why isn’t it happening?
Because we are still going to be left with chaos tomorrow until we resolve Alison.
The contrarian side of me kinda wants to leave my vote there now.

Ender, for the love of god, if you're town, stop wolf siding. Seriously it's annoying when people that are supposed to be great end up doing this shit when I'm town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:28 am There's part of my gut that worries this is t/t

If Alison is town here, then holy shit the state of her scumhunting.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:03 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:33 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:26 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:02 am @EnderWiggin
I’m going to bed and when I wake up your vote should be off the wagon that isn’t happening today.

Why isn’t it happening?
Because we are still going to be left with chaos tomorrow until we resolve Alison.
The contrarian side of me kinda wants to leave my vote there now.
Ender, for the love of god, if you're town, stop wolf siding. Seriously it's annoying when people that are supposed to be great end up doing this shit when I'm town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:28 am There's part of my gut that worries this is t/t
If Alison is town here, then holy shit the state of her scumhunting.

Dw I'm not actually going to do it.

I just want to lmao.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:04 am**

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:04 am**

I'm gonna honour Alison's wishes here. Make sure we flip between LC and Alison.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:45 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:44 am I finally got to backreading everything but I took Benadryl because my hands were itching for some reason, and a sleep pill and I got drowsy and I skimmed the last like...3 pages.

Mizery being Illwei throws my read on them actually because I thought she was wolfy but like....her town game is wolfy in general?

Towniest to scummiest list:

Falcon - Weird early push on the "Color/claim" stuff. Follows up and responds to others questioning him on it strongly and doesn't back down. Feels like he believes what he's saying.

Ender - He's writing in poems, what the fuck. I agree with his townread on Luck. Him talking about the Nanook stuff sheeping Gavial is towny from him since I don't think a mafia member in general would talk about the reasoning someone's doing something weird as a wolf.

Luckbox - His opening and game in total doesn't feel as stilted as I saw watching Band Mafia on MU.
Ender - He's writing in poems, what the fuck. I agree with his townread on Luck.

Gira - The spat with Alison earlier and his reactions might be coming from town!Gira.

Allison - Town leaning for now because she seems to be changing views and reads accordingly in a way that I understand.

Nanook - Him coming to Wisp's defense and the description of Wisp's game is a good look since I doubt scum would even try defending someone who might be a designated misyeet for the game if Wisp is town.

Dizzy - At the least they weren't pockety like they were in Fleabag mafia? (( I say this seeing Dizzy literally do just that to Illario last game )) I didn't totally comprehend their posts.

Tess - Hasn't done much.

DrWilgy - The only thing I remember is him wolfcasing Luck. Otherwise remember nothing else about his game.

Mizery - Awkward SOD. #371 #372 #373 #374 #375 Spends about 5 posts talking about Esooa's entrance? Then leaves.
I just saw that Mizery is actually Illwei...that might change a few things?

Wisp - SOD mostly talks about not wanting to "Towncore" anyone.
#320 weird post. A lot of complaining about "grandstanders" and gimmicks. Finally does metadives and comes up with quick conclusions.

Gavial - #216 #221 #232 #234 These were his catch up posts and there's a lot of questioning and responding to things that aren't like...game advancing?

I keep re-reading over the ISO cause I don't want to get LC wrong here and like:

This post is both out of his wolf range but also kinda weird for LC.

@Lime Coke

What was the Alt that you would join later and do reads list? I think that actually will be better for Meta in this game then the usual meta I use for your game.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:45 am**

I keep reversing my opinion on it and I really am annoyed at myself.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:46 am**

Now I'm going to try pulling Alison's ISO/Previous games apart.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:47 am**

@EnderWiggin What alt?

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:47 am**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:47 am @EnderWiggin What alt?

You said you had a gimmick account for appearing 12/24 hours into a phase and making lists?

Or did I misread that.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:48 am**

OHHH

@EnderWiggin

The alt was called BEAR. It would post like start of day saying "BEAR starts in HIBERNATION!" and votes sleep and disappears for 24+ hours.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:48 am**

Okay that's hilarious I love it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:50 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:48 am Okay that's hilarious I love it.

It spoke in 3rd person and roared and everything. It was very entertaining.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:50 am**

Reading these games is a treat ngl.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:55 am**

Fun fact:
BEAR almost never does the town thing lmao.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:56 am**

Okay this game actually reads similar to one of the Bear games in terms of the way LC has approached it tbh.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:56 am**

Bear was town in that one.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:56 am**

Bear didn't get tdomed tho so that's the major difference where things change.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:57 am**

It'd be on the upper edge of LC's wolf-game to make this game so far.

That being said, apparently the EOD was bad for LC but I'll check that and see what I think.

Posted: **Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:57 am**

I'm getting distracted from my Alison metadive lmao.

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