The Syndicate

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:10 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:02 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:00 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:50 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:37 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:20 pm Holy shit guys if the coin assigns AFTER mac's steal we can use the vote count to help determine who has the coin

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

Like, it's not our wincon. Mac did lovely work for town. But he also forgot to search for the coin 2/3 times. If he gets it and wins with us, that's great. But us winning is the only priority, for me at least.

We should just try to hit mafia.

I want to hear from DDL and Porscha. And then I don't mind an early hammer.

Our wincon does take priority but all this can be done without harming town's wincon at all, and goodwill goes a long way, we don't want mac actively playing against us because he doesn't think we'll help him. Plus I just can't resist extra mechanics :>

As long as Mac does not have the coin, his win con is to kill town. He's already going to be playing against us in that sense

We can voluntarily set a lot more stuff up that helps him than any benefit he could derive from tricking us, so I think his wincon is best served by convincing us he's helping us which I think he currently is.

What can we set up? The coin gives its holder a beloved modifier, it doesn't remove the holders vote power

Well the preferring to yeet his townreads all else being equal for us is one thing, then setting up the policy to leave anyone claiming maf for last and giving people being yeeted the opportunity to make that claim to let him win, then so ok..

.. if the coin assignment randed after the steal (which you mentioned it probably doesn't so this is probably moot) we could split votes between 2 scumreads and if one of them has the coin the other one gets eliminated at EoD timer. Not sure if NANOOK would announce a rand, even if he doesn't it still increases the probability that the person who wasn't randed to has the coin a la monty hall problem. If NANOOK does announce rand then we know neither has the coin.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:26 pm Actually I just asked nanook and ties are broken in mafia's favor so a tied vote will never kill a mafia.

Although a practical application of the monty hall problem is exciting. It does not offset my enthusiasm for guaranteeing a town death today.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:26 pm Actually I just asked nanook and ties are broken in mafia's favor so a tied vote will never kill a mafia.

Although a practical application of the monty hall problem is exciting. It does not offset my enthusiasm for guaranteeing a town death today.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:28 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:26 pm Actually I just asked nanook and ties are broken in mafia's favor so a tied vote will never kill a mafia.

Although a practical application of the monty hall problem is exciting. It does not offset my enthusiasm for guaranteeing a town death today.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:38 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:28 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:26 pm Actually I just asked nanook and ties are broken in mafia's favor so a tied vote will never kill a mafia.

Although a practical application of the monty hall problem is exciting. It does not offset my enthusiasm for guaranteeing a town death today.

Do you have any thoughts? You're likely dying today

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:42 pm no I have to ensure town wins still

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:26 pm Actually I just asked nanook and ties are broken in mafia's favor so a tied vote will never kill a mafia.

Although a practical application of the monty hall problem is exciting. It does not offset my enthusiasm for guaranteeing a town death today.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:26 pm Actually I just asked nanook and ties are broken in mafia's favor so a tied vote will never kill a mafia.

Although a practical application of the monty hall problem is exciting. It does not offset my enthusiasm for guaranteeing a town death today.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:57 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:26 pm Actually I just asked nanook and ties are broken in mafia's favor so a tied vote will never kill a mafia.

Although a practical application of the monty hall problem is exciting. It does not offset my enthusiasm for guaranteeing a town death today.

Aww yea okay this doesn't work then lol sorry mac

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:59 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:57 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:26 pm Actually I just asked nanook and ties are broken in mafia's favor so a tied vote will never kill a mafia.

Although a practical application of the monty hall problem is exciting. It does not offset my enthusiasm for guaranteeing a town death today.

Aww yea okay this doesn't work then lol sorry mac

I mean, it does still work mathematically.

But it's just not pro town in how it works, so we shouldn't do it

Mizery wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:13 pm can we please hammer srceen

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:41 pm I'd rather we just vote whoever is the likeliest mafia.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:16 pm The upshot is that mac gets his ~2/n chance each night regardless since we learned it takes the coin from the person before and after the rand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:46 pm Catching up.

The next game I host will have a "anyone who uses the term game throwing will be modkilled on the spot". Such an angle-shooty, disgusting phrase.

Since there are four pages left to read and I don't wanna talk about the present until I'm done, let's talk about the past. I ISO'd HK and my impression is he spent A LOT of posts townreading A LOT of people. He had lists of townreads left and right. Is there scum in those townreads? Seems logical. But there are so many of them it's probably impossible to figure out from them. Dude made some good anti-spew work imo.

Little in the way of wolfreads though. In terms if wolfreads, HK would pick one person and park. Day 1 it was falcon (and I think Rondo iirc). Day 2, Jack. Day 3, he didn't vote.

I'm saying all this because I'm having a hard time imagining a wolf who just lost a teammate, whether that was intentional or not, parks on the other teammate on Day 2. Say what you want about wanting to control the night kill, the drawback if having to spend a whole game alone doesn't seem worth it. Because of that, I'm pretty confident on Jack being town.

Back to the ketchup.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:43 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:16 pm The upshot is that mac gets his ~2/n chance each night regardless since we learned it takes the coin from the person before and after the rand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You talk like you don't expect or want to chop mafia today.

HMMMMMMMMM

Mizery wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:13 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:46 pm Catching up.

The next game I host will have a "anyone who uses the term game throwing will be modkilled on the spot". Such an angle-shooty, disgusting phrase.

Since there are four pages left to read and I don't wanna talk about the present until I'm done, let's talk about the past. I ISO'd HK and my impression is he spent A LOT of posts townreading A LOT of people. He had lists of townreads left and right. Is there scum in those townreads? Seems logical. But there are so many of them it's probably impossible to figure out from them. Dude made some good anti-spew work imo.

Little in the way of wolfreads though. In terms if wolfreads, HK would pick one person and park. Day 1 it was falcon (and I think Rondo iirc). Day 2, Jack. Day 3, he didn't vote.

I'm saying all this because I'm having a hard time imagining a wolf who just lost a teammate, whether that was intentional or not, parks on the other teammate on Day 2. Say what you want about wanting to control the night kill, the drawback if having to spend a whole game alone doesn't seem worth it. Because of that, I'm pretty confident on Jack being town.

Back to the ketchup.

Who said gamethrowing

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:43 pm Look, this isn't personal and I don't wanna start a thing, though maybe I just did.

But gamethrowing is against forum rules. If you think someone is doing it, message the mods, don't say it in public.

And it is often used to attack people who have non-meta playstyles. Which is mean and elitist.

Or in this game's case, when I said I would have few posts in day 2 because I was enjoying easter weekend with my family and Rondo replied by calling me a gamethrower and a slanker.

So please don't do that, okay?

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:59 pm Actually if someone about to be yeeted *does* claim mafia I vow to leave them for last so mac can win

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:43 pm Look, this isn't personal and I don't wanna start a thing, though maybe I just did.

But gamethrowing is against forum rules. If you think someone is doing it, message the mods, don't say it in public.

And it is often used to attack people who have non-meta playstyles. Which is mean and elitist.

Or in this game's case, when I said I would have few posts in day 2 because I was enjoying easter weekend with my family and Rondo replied by calling me a gamethrower and a slanker.

So please don't do that, okay?

I mean, I agree it shouldn't be used to manipulate or put people down, or to deter people from using certain strategies, but sometimes when discussing hypothetical strategies you do need a word for playing against your win condition and that word is game throwing

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:43 pm Look, this isn't personal and I don't wanna start a thing, though maybe I just did.

But gamethrowing is against forum rules. If you think someone is doing it, message the mods, don't say it in public.

And it is often used to attack people who have non-meta playstyles. Which is mean and elitist.

Or in this game's case, when I said I would have few posts in day 2 because I was enjoying easter weekend with my family and Rondo replied by calling me a gamethrower and a slanker.

So please don't do that, okay?

I mean, I agree it shouldn't be used to manipulate or put people down, or to deter people from using certain strategies, but sometimes when discussing hypothetical strategies you do need a word for playing against your win condition and that word is game throwing

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:18 pm Like you guys need to play a game with two cults and one jester some time.

Or a role that can create a different, secret post restriction every day and get infinite kills against whoever breaks it.

Or a role that is completely immortal and changes between town and mafia whenever it is hit with a kill.

Or a role that passively makes every action in the game have a 5% of being randomly misdirected to a random target, including the user.

Or a zombie cult.

Or a role named God who is based on an old testament version and who has like 6 different ways to smite players.

Or the Moon from Majora's Mask who can end the game in 3 days and nullify all other abilities used against it because it "destroyed the game table", according to the host.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:18 pm Like you guys need to play a game with two cults and one jester some time.

Or a role that can create a different, secret post restriction every day and get infinite kills against whoever breaks it.

Or a role that is completely immortal and changes between town and mafia whenever it is hit with a kill.

Or a role that passively makes every action in the game have a 5% of being randomly misdirected to a random target, including the user.

Or a zombie cult.

Or a role named God who is based on an old testament version and who has like 6 different ways to smite players.

Or the Moon from Majora's Mask who can end the game in 3 days and nullify all other abilities used against it because it "destroyed the game table", according to the host.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:18 pm So "lets help the 3P" my ass.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:18 pm Like you guys need to play a game with two cults and one jester some time.

Or a role that can create a different, secret post restriction every day and get infinite kills against whoever breaks it.

Or a role that is completely immortal and changes between town and mafia whenever it is hit with a kill.

Or a role that passively makes every action in the game have a 5% of being randomly misdirected to a random target, including the user.

Or a zombie cult.

Or a role named God who is based on an old testament version and who has like 6 different ways to smite players.

Or the Moon from Majora's Mask who can end the game in 3 days and nullify all other abilities used against it because it "destroyed the game table", according to the host.

Lol

I've wanted to try a weak version of a cultist: Demonic Cultist - May give a player the option to sign their soul away and join their cult once per night. Each signature grants the head cultist a new power, and if someone refuses they lose power / die / something bad

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:27 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:18 pm So "lets help the 3P" my ass.

I mean not all 3P are the same. This one is pretty townsided as they go. It literally can't win if town loses

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:36 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:18 pm Like you guys need to play a game with two cults and one jester some time.

Or a role that can create a different, secret post restriction every day and get infinite kills against whoever breaks it.

Or a role that is completely immortal and changes between town and mafia whenever it is hit with a kill.

Or a role that passively makes every action in the game have a 5% of being randomly misdirected to a random target, including the user.

Or a zombie cult.

Or a role named God who is based on an old testament version and who has like 6 different ways to smite players.

Or the Moon from Majora's Mask who can end the game in 3 days and nullify all other abilities used against it because it "destroyed the game table", according to the host.

Lol

I've wanted to try a weak version of a cultist: Demonic Cultist - May give a player the option to sign their soul away and join their cult once per night. Each signature grants the head cultist a new power, and if someone refuses they lose power / die / something bad

Personal experience: roles that offer "deals with the devil" to players get rejected 90% of the time. Players get really paranoid at that stuff for some reason. Ive tried a few times, they've never worked.