The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:31 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

I’m joining Epi on this wagon for now, but I’d also be fine with a Wilgy or even Davos vote

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:29 pm There are two mafia left as I read the game. And they need each other dead. I am not worried about food. Nobody else should be either.

There's nothing wrong with the civilians getting one mafia on board to kill the other.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:29 pm There are two mafia left as I read the game. And they need each other dead. I am not worried about food. Nobody else should be either.

There's nothing wrong with the civilians getting one mafia on board to kill the other.

I'm not worried about food but I'm unsure of my choice to vote Wilgy

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:49 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:31 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

I’m joining Epi on this wagon for now, but I’d also be fine with a Wilgy or even Davos vote

Player salad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:23 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:01 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Love Delta, but I should've done this a long time ago.

Why aren't you going after anyone on the other side?

Because I don't care about that.

You don't care about winning?

I don't care about playing against the hosts.

Do you have confirmation that the mafia members were evenly divided?

I can accept that as a possibility, but I'm not operating as though that's gospel.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:23 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:01 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Love Delta, but I should've done this a long time ago.

Why aren't you going after anyone on the other side?

Because I don't care about that.

You don't care about winning?

I don't care about playing against the hosts.

Do you have confirmation that the mafia members were evenly divided?

I can accept that as a possibility, but I'm not operating as though that's gospel.

Even if not, do you think that 2-6 is a reasonable divide? There are many scenarios where town would have been forced to mislynch D2 on the other side with that setup, depending on vigs/etc.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:49 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:31 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

I’m joining Epi on this wagon for now, but I’d also be fine with a Wilgy or even Davos vote

Player salad.

How is this player salad when we’ve got likely 2 mafia left?

It’s two names with a sock who might be mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:48 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:23 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:01 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Love Delta, but I should've done this a long time ago.

Why aren't you going after anyone on the other side?

Because I don't care about that.

You don't care about winning?

I don't care about playing against the hosts.

Do you have confirmation that the mafia members were evenly divided?

I can accept that as a possibility, but I'm not operating as though that's gospel.

Even if not, do you think that 2-6 is a reasonable divide? There are many scenarios where town would have been forced to mislynch D2 on the other side with that setup, depending on vigs/etc.

If they divided randomly, you're making a terrible mistake in that assumption.

I refuse to make assumptions.

I'm going to vote based on what I think and not on what you assume.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:19 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:48 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:23 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:01 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:49 am

Why aren't you going after anyone on the other side?

Because I don't care about that.

You don't care about winning?

I don't care about playing against the hosts.

Do you have confirmation that the mafia members were evenly divided?

I can accept that as a possibility, but I'm not operating as though that's gospel.

Even if not, do you think that 2-6 is a reasonable divide? There are many scenarios where town would have been forced to mislynch D2 on the other side with that setup, depending on vigs/etc.

If they divided randomly, you're making a terrible mistake in that assumption.

I refuse to make assumptions.

I'm going to vote based on what I think and not on what you assume.

If it's split randomly, there would be around a 15% probability of six or more wolves on one side… except that would have the possibility of there being one or even zero wolves on one side, which is a level of bastardry that I wouldn't expect from this game. The wolves have to be WWA and Wilgy.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:58 am @Delta whatever happened to the rest of the Western wolf ISOs?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:02 am Wow, the ping worked xD
Any thoughts on who you'll be voting today yet?

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:14 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:02 am Wow, the ping worked xD
Any thoughts on who you'll be voting today yet?

Good timing \o/ havent had the chance to check in until now

I saw the kill so ?_? unsure, I do want to run through things a bit first, because to me the kill either 1.) indicates one/both of you/Wilgy are mafia, or 2.) indicates a wolf on our side that's comfortable enough with their position

Because if 1, feels fairly self explanatory, it's the route people have taken the last few days. In killing Nutella, it gives pause to the idea that both wolves are still sat on your side, because there's only two of you left

On the other hand, if 2, someone on our side could have killed into yours either aiming to hit the other wolf to give them better odds of winning, while knowing they're in a better spot to do so. This could in theory apply to 1, but the issue is if we run with the theory both wolves are on your side, doing this still boxes you in because it makes killing both wolves on your side 'more' achievable, so it's not as easy to do so over hoping to get a miselim & then let the other wolf die. And if it's someone in a bad spot in our thread, reducing the miselims happening on your side then turns things back to us.

So I want to see who either of these worlds apply to, and then work from there, ideally

& the wolf ISO stuff, especially if there's still a wolf sat over our side

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 pm The only players who'd kill Nutella are Epi/Leetic. Leetic has been pretty much the most vocal on both chain yeeting WWA and I, and that Davos should be ignored.

Davos - Leetic aligned. Leetic keeps suggesting we take alternative routes to solving this and keeps treating this slot with confidence that it can be solved this way.

Delta - would be incriminated, much more likely to make a kill on west that removes detractors.

Epi - COULD make the kill, but killing Nutella and then not focusing on WWA doesn't make sense. W Epi could in fact choose to not take the path of least resistance, but I probably just lose to that. (also took the lingerie, I wanted that.)

Leetic - WOULD have made the kill. Went from suspecting MR as remaining arbiter, to voting me in contrary to suspicion on MR, and only really moving back to MR on the justification of self voting. Nutella and MR both were the east side players that were vocal on that the PoE being east was incorrect. Leetic's play keeps us constrained to the East PoE and has consistently ignored/minimized Davos. (also they grabbed the weapon option provided today, which is probably minor but i don't like it anyways.)

Sig - Has no reason to make the kill. Was already advocating suspicion on both threads, so hitting Nutella doesn't really advance that at all and removes someone who never really advocated against them.

WWA - would be incriminated, can still be wolf but didn't make the Nutella kill.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:03 pm And I understand that you guys will have to vote me out, as well as Wilgy, in whatever order you want. It doesn't matter. There is no way you should let the two of us live to endgame at this point.
But you are going to have a very hard time sniffing out the last wolf once both Wilgy and I have flipped, and I just hope you can pull through.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:15 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 pm The only players who'd kill Nutella are Epi/Leetic. Leetic has been pretty much the most vocal on both chain yeeting WWA and I, and that Davos should be ignored.

Davos - Leetic aligned. Leetic keeps suggesting we take alternative routes to solving this and keeps treating this slot with confidence that it can be solved this way.

Delta - would be incriminated, much more likely to make a kill on west that removes detractors.

Epi - COULD make the kill, but killing Nutella and then not focusing on WWA doesn't make sense. W Epi could in fact choose to not take the path of least resistance, but I probably just lose to that. (also took the lingerie, I wanted that.)

Leetic - WOULD have made the kill. Went from suspecting MR as remaining arbiter, to voting me in contrary to suspicion on MR, and only really moving back to MR on the justification of self voting. Nutella and MR both were the east side players that were vocal on that the PoE being east was incorrect. Leetic's play keeps us constrained to the East PoE and has consistently ignored/minimized Davos. (also they grabbed the weapon option provided today, which is probably minor but i don't like it anyways.)

Sig - Has no reason to make the kill. Was already advocating suspicion on both threads, so hitting Nutella doesn't really advance that at all and removes someone who never really advocated against them.

WWA - would be incriminated, can still be wolf but didn't make the Nutella kill.

Me being Davos is flat-out impossible, as Cape90 was the only player who could see both threads. Your case kinda falls apart there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:28 pm Plus I didn't say you WERE Davos, you are clearly Davos aligned. You've consistently pushed mechanics that are not confirmed and we've been chain yeeting town because of it.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:28 pm Plus I didn't say you WERE Davos, you are clearly Davos aligned. You've consistently pushed mechanics that are not confirmed and we've been chain yeeting town because of it.

This reeks of more desperation than anything WWA has done. What exactly have you done to deal with Davos?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:51 pm If Davos is a viable lunch option I would definitely include them in the PoE, fwiw
Right now I believe it's Wilgy/Delta if Davos is not a separate player, but if Davos is separate then I think they can be one of the wolves

Idk why I typed this post and never actually hit send lol, sorry

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:34 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:28 pm Plus I didn't say you WERE Davos, you are clearly Davos aligned. You've consistently pushed mechanics that are not confirmed and we've been chain yeeting town because of it.

This reeks of more desperation than anything WWA has done. What exactly have you done to deal with Davos?

Ew, and you argue non objective feeling in response to a case that I think is very accurate. I've at least argued that we can be wrong on the slot, only WWA seemed to even want to entertain that idea.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:38 pm Further, nutella voted WWA and was fairly suspicious of Wilgy. It's not like neither of you have motivation to kill nutella. Furthermore, it's not like wolves ever make strategical blunders, look at the D1 pyxxy bus for instance. The nutella kill wouldn't be smart from my point of view either, as I'd want to leave options in the other side open and killing in my side would make my worldview look more true. If Davos is a wolf though, the nutella kill would make some sense as if they can lynch the other person from the other side they'd have a good chance of winning; it would essentially be a gambit to ensure the elimination of the other wolf one way or another. Since Wilgy isn't really pushing WWA (although from your point of view you should!) it was probably WWA who killed nutella. That might make Wilgy the better vote however, for reasons I've already explained.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:34 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:28 pm Plus I didn't say you WERE Davos, you are clearly Davos aligned. You've consistently pushed mechanics that are not confirmed and we've been chain yeeting town because of it.

This reeks of more desperation than anything WWA has done. What exactly have you done to deal with Davos?

Ew, and you argue non objective feeling in response to a case that I think is very accurate. I've at least argued that we can be wrong on the slot, only WWA seemed to even want to entertain that idea.

Like what, your case on me is that I didn't do anything to lynch Davos when you haven't either? You also voted in your side for the last several days, only stopping because it would incriminate you. What am I supposed to say to that?

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:43 pm You have to consider the reverse too; if wolves are only in the other side they'd want to encourage people to vote in my side as much as possible. nutella was unlikely to do this as she suspected Wilgy and WWA, so this may be another reason why she was killed.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:41 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

yeah this

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:53 pm delta's mafia tbh ngl imo btw

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:10 pm I won't fight a Radishes yeet for sure but my current called shot is wind + delta

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:47 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:38 pm Further, nutella voted WWA and was fairly suspicious of Wilgy. It's not like neither of you have motivation to kill nutella. Furthermore, it's not like wolves ever make strategical blunders, look at the D1 pyxxy bus for instance. The nutella kill wouldn't be smart from my point of view either, as I'd want to leave options in the other side open and killing in my side would make my worldview look more true. If Davos is a wolf though, the nutella kill would make some sense as if they can lynch the other person from the other side they'd have a good chance of winning; it would essentially be a gambit to ensure the elimination of the other wolf one way or another. Since Wilgy isn't really pushing WWA (although from your point of view you should!) it was probably WWA who killed nutella. That might make Wilgy the better vote however, for reasons I've already explained.

Chalking up a singular nk to a blunder is just incorrect to do so. If it was a blunder, WWA doesn't make it and neither do I. Killing in your side does keep your worldview in tact, BUT it also doesn't actively remove a player from the pool who was in opposition to that worldview. WWA can still be a wolf as I advised earlier, but I'm not going to yeet strictly on that being the case when both Davos continues to remain unsolved and we are incorrectly building our solve on unconfirmed mechanics.

WWA killed Nutella, yeets me, then what? What is WWA's angle going forward from there?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:45 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm Actually uhhh 360 no scope [VOTE: windwardaway] aubergine

I just got bored enough to finally go back to reading some east facility isos and I feel better about wilgy and worse about wind again

Think wilgy posts dont quite make sense with either team but wind fits as landlord (and radish could still be the arbiter)

Wilgy did basically just never interact with brad yeah but idk just a vibe that i could easily see him as just uninformed while i could see your brad comments as a light bus

Read Brad's response to me, though
He didn't even reply directly to me and just went like, oh man, I thought you were town as soon as I voted him

You are the only non-flipped (non-me) name in his town list and I think it's decently likely he included his teammate actually. Put you second. I mean either way that gets read is just gonna be confbiased but I don't see why his response to you can't be a teammate interaction

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:45 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm Actually uhhh 360 no scope [VOTE: windwardaway] aubergine

I just got bored enough to finally go back to reading some east facility isos and I feel better about wilgy and worse about wind again

Think wilgy posts dont quite make sense with either team but wind fits as landlord (and radish could still be the arbiter)

Wilgy did basically just never interact with brad yeah but idk just a vibe that i could easily see him as just uninformed while i could see your brad comments as a light bus

Read Brad's response to me, though
He didn't even reply directly to me and just went like, oh man, I thought you were town as soon as I voted him

You are the only non-flipped (non-me) name in his town list and I think it's decently likely he included his teammate actually. Put you second. I mean either way that gets read is just gonna be confbiased but I don't see why his response to you can't be a teammate interaction

You were saying?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:56 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:45 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm Actually uhhh 360 no scope [VOTE: windwardaway] aubergine

I just got bored enough to finally go back to reading some east facility isos and I feel better about wilgy and worse about wind again

Think wilgy posts dont quite make sense with either team but wind fits as landlord (and radish could still be the arbiter)

Wilgy did basically just never interact with brad yeah but idk just a vibe that i could easily see him as just uninformed while i could see your brad comments as a light bus

Read Brad's response to me, though
He didn't even reply directly to me and just went like, oh man, I thought you were town as soon as I voted him

You are the only non-flipped (non-me) name in his town list and I think it's decently likely he included his teammate actually. Put you second. I mean either way that gets read is just gonna be confbiased but I don't see why his response to you can't be a teammate interaction

You were saying?

This was before any of the actual discussion on the poe being 'wrong' had evolved.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:00 pm My argument is, Nut was killed so that you could continue the push of East side players.

You're response is, 'but look, nut suspected both of you' and you then post a lone suspicion on WWA and avoid all the posts of Nut advocating for west as well.