Ruth wrote:I object. I have 48 hours to convince you I am reformed. I shall have it
And I live with my mother in law, you should read my book; I am about loyalty. But I still can't get a word in edgewise with that blessed woman; I intend to talk quite extensively, Pilate.
She's right, you know, about the book of Ruth. I just hope we can trust her as she says.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 3:18 pm
by Snapshot
Could Ruth be heathen? Sure
But I tend to think she might be Belshazzar.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 3:49 pm
by Gunther
Lot wrote:Could Ruth be heathen? Sure
But I tend to think she might be Belshazzar.
The fact that she knows Belshazzar's win conditions could be evidence this is true.
If she could pick someone to rezz and then become them though why wouldn't she pick one of the good guys that died? She might still be suspicious but it would be a whole lot easier to come back as a civ. Maybe each of the horseman has to pick a side, Belshazzar picked heathen, and thus she had to rise as heathen. Or, why didn't she just come back as Belsh.
Lot these questions are not directed at you, they are just brainstorming in my head.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 4:01 pm
by Prisoner 509378
Balaam wrote:DAY 1 RESULTS:
1. SAMUEL (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
2. SAMUEL (Samson)<---voter = civvie 3. LOT (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens 4. UZZIAH (Pilate) 5. REBECCA (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens 6. PAUL (Martha)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens 7. BARNABAS (Stephen) 8. UZZIAH (Job) <---voter = civvie
9. SAMSON (Mordecai)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
10. SAMSON (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie 11. ABSALOM (Cain)<---voter = civvie 12. CAIN (Deborah)
13. CAIN (Absalom)
14. SAMSON (Isaac)
15. SAMSON (Jacob) 16. JEPHTHA (Rebecca) 17. ABSALOM (Malchus)
18. SAMSON (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie 19. MARY MAG (Jonah)
20. SAMSON (Belshazzar)<===VOTER = HORSEMAN
21. SAMSON (Samuel) 22. CAIN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN 23. JEPHTHAH (Lot) 24. PAUL (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens 25. CAIN (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN 26. GIDEON (Hagar)<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings 27. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie 28. UZZIAH (Rahab) 29. CAIN (Balaam)
Not Voting: Barnabas, Bathsheba, Esther, Judah, Lazarus
Not Voting:
Barnabas (2)
Cain<---voter = civvie
Esther (2)
Gideon<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
Hagar<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings
Isaac
Jacob
Jephthah<---voter = civvie
Jonah
Judah (2)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Mary Mag<---voter = civvie
Mordecai<===VOTER = HEATHEN
Nicodemus<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
Pilate
Ruth<===VOTER = HEATHEN
Samuel
Day 3 Not Voting: Barnabas (3), Bathsheba (2), Hagar (2), Judah (3), Malchus, Pilate (2), Samuel (2), Stephen
Balaam wrote:DAY 3 Results:
10. MARY MAG (Rebecca)
13. MARY MAG (Jacob)
14. MARY MAG (Belshazzar)<===VOTER = HORSEMAN
15. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
16. MARY MAG (Deborah)
21. MARY MAG (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
22. MARY MAG (Balaam)
Day 3 Not Voting:
Barnabas (3)
Bathsheba (2)
Hagar (2)<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings
Judah (3)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Malchus
Pilate (2)
Samuel (2)
Stephen
Not Voting:
Bathsheba (5)
Deborah
Isaac (3)
Jonah (3)
Judah (6)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Malchus (5)
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 4:41 pm
by Prisoner 509378
Day 8 Results: 1. LAZARUS (Lot)
2. JONATHAN (Pilate)
3. JONATHAN (Stephen)
4. JONATHAN (Esther))
5. JONATHAN (Balaam) 6. JACOB (Rahab) 7. BALAAM (Mordecai)<===VOTER = HEATHEN 8. JACOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
9. JONATHAN (Absalom)
10. JONATHAN (Deborah)
11. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)<===VOTER = HORSEMAN
12. JONATHAN (Jacob)
13. JONATHAN (Jonah) 14. LAZARUS (Lazarus)
15. JONATHAN (Samuel)
Not Voting: Bathsheba (6), Isaac (4),Jonathan, Judah (7), Malchus (6), Rebecca
Day 8 Results:
2. JONATHAN (Pilate)
3. JONATHAN (Stephen)
4. JONATHAN (Esther))
5. JONATHAN (Balaam)
9. JONATHAN (Absalom)
10. JONATHAN (Deborah)
11. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)<===VOTER = HORSEMAN
12. JONATHAN (Jacob)
13. JONATHAN (Jonah)
15. JONATHAN (Samuel)
6. JACOB (Rahab) 8. JACOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
1. LAZARUS (Lot)
14. LAZARUS (Lazarus)
7. BALAAM (Mordecai)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
Not Voting:
Bathsheba (6)
Isaac (4)
Jonathan<---voter = civvie
Judah (7)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Malchus (6)
Rebecca
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 4:43 pm
by Prisoner 509378
Balaam wrote:And now for the Day 9 Results:
1. LAZARUS (Lot) 2. ISAAC (Isaac)
3. MORDECAI (Absalom)
4. MORDECAI (Pilate) 5. ISAAC (Esther) 6. ISAAC (Rahab)
7. MORDECAI (Stephen) 8. LOT (Lazarus) 9. ISAAC (Belshazzar)<===VOTER = HORSEMAN 10. ISAAC (Samuel)
11. MORDECAI (Jacob) 12. PILATE (Mordecai)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
13. MORDECAI (Samson)<---voter = civvie (wtf zombie vote????)
6. ISAAC (Stephen) 10. ISAAC (Rahab) 13. ISAAC (Rebecca)
2. LAZARUS (Lot)
4. LOT (Lazarus)
8. STEPHEN (Samson)<---voter = civvie (wtf zombie vote????)
9. PILATE (Esther)
12. REBECCA (Belshazzar)<===VOTER = HORSEMAN
Not Voting:
Bathsheba (8)
Jonah (5)
Malchus (8)
Samuel (2)
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 4:55 pm
by Prisoner 509378
Absalom- looking back at the first five or six days of votes, who do you think is looking worse after Belsh flipped Horseman?
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:49 pm
by Ned Flanders
That's a good question, I hope he answers it
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:56 pm
by dodo
Rez ME.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 11:31 pm
by Epignosis
11 In those days there was a man named Judas Iscariot who loved money.12And Judas heard that rich foreigners were among the people of Sin-d’kaht. 13Knowing that the foreigners wanted Balaam the ass-driver dead, Judas took a flint knife. 14Finding Balaam, Judas slew him,
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 12:42 am
by Nicol Bolas
Did Epig have a stroke?
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 2:14 am
by Quokka
I think he fell asleep at the keyboard.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:17 am
by NurseWilgy
Balaam wrote:Absalom- looking back at the first five or six days of votes, who do you think is looking worse after Belsh flipped Horseman?
It's a difficult question, because answering it requires a lot of assumptions about things we don't know.
Did the mafia know he was Death or vice versa?
Were they working together?
Do the Horsemen know each other's roles and do they have an incentive to protect each other?
What is his win condition?
What was his night power?
Without knowing any of these answers, a vote analysis is impossible. I still think Rahab is looking pretty bad, and I think we should lynch Ruth today. Even if she was reincarnated as Belshazzar, as Balaam suggests (and I have no reason to believe this is any more than a wild guess), that would still make her Death and I doubt it's a good thing to keep him around. Aso, given that Belsh was not a Heathen, I am going to look into his Rebecca suspicion further, as it is (slightly) more likely to be a real one than otherwise.
What do people make of Esther's top suspects being the people with the best voting records all game? Nefarious, or just not paying attention?
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:19 am
by NurseWilgy
I just noticed that Balaam was killed by Judas, so we are either looking at a civ ninja or a recruit, and canonically, the latter seems more likely.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER X]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 11:02 am
by Gunther
Absalom wrote:
What do people make of Esther's top suspects being the people with the best voting records all game? Nefarious, or just not paying attention?
Before I answer the question I would like to know what Esther has to say: Esther how do you explain that your top suspects are the people with the best voting records all game?
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 3:36 pm
by Prisoner 509378
Seriously people?!? I've been dead for 16 hours and I haven't even gotten a single "RIP Balaam" from anyone? Guess that shows where I stand with you guys. See if I help you civvies at all if I'm rezzed.
Death is so... monochromatic. It's going to take a while to get used to this.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 3:38 pm
by Nicol Bolas
RIP, Balaam.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 3:45 pm
by Prisoner 509378
Too little, too late.
Thanks for a fun game Epi. I lasted longer than I thought I would.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 3:48 pm
by Gunther
Balaam, my apologies. Sometimes I forget to RIP but it has nothing to do with whether I like the player or not. I agree you have done a lot of work for us and we will be missing big pieces without your contributions.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 4:47 pm
by Snapshot
I always suspected Judas secret was that he'd be a heathen recruit. The most obvious choice. In which case, for the first time this game, I feel doomed. Especially since I lost my buddy Balaam. Oh who am I kidding, he was an ass.
As backwards as this sounds, I'd actually advocate not lynching Ruth today. At worst she seems likely to be chaos. At best, she has been deliberately put in the thread so we'll waste a lynch on her when she actually only survives for a short period of time or something. We can deal with her later, I think.
I'd sooner be looking at Isaac or Lazarus today.
Bathsheba - it's nice to have you back, but could you please give a brief synopsis of what has been happening to you this game? It's difficult to read a post like your last one which suggests you've been reading and keeping up when other factors don't appear that way.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 6:15 pm
by Gunther
Lot, I have been skimming the game to see if i could figure out who is behind the socks. Then, Epi asked me to sub in so I did. (I asked his permission to tell that I am a sub.)
There are chunks of info I will be missing because when I was skimming I sometimes skipped over things. Like for example, I see you have Lazarus at the top of your list. The last time I can remember reading about Lazarus people seemed to think he was the one who got more votes as time went on (a civ role). What happened to that suspicion? Also, regarding Isaac, can you just give me a brief reason why you think he deserves to be at the top of your suspicions? I will read both he and Lazarus but if you would tell me those two things it would help me out.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 6:24 pm
by Snapshot
Well, on Isaac I've always felt his voting patterns look terrible and there has never really been anything he has yet done to persuade me he is civilian. I note, for instance, that there are STILL no new apostle activations, despite Isaac claiming to be a vanilla one. It seems to me at this point that the odds of him being heathen are strong.
On Lazarus, I see two possibilities. One is that he is Simon the Zealot, in which case within a couple of days I will be lynched. He will then be a confirmed civ, but I will be dead. The other possibility is that Martha is Simon the Zealot and Neb knows this so that Lazarus could fake it. If that is true, I wouldn't be lynched by leaving him alive, but he would be heathen.
Basically, on Lazarus, it's either:
He's bad and I survive; or
He's good and I die
So for me, I see merit in lynching him either way.
Also, Lazarus is the way I'm going to vote - see previous votes for why.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 6:53 pm
by Paul Stevens
The odds of you being wrong about me are even stronger. Btw, you seem so sure about me. Why continue to vote for Lazarus when no one else is willing to.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 6:53 pm
by Paul Stevens
?
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 7:16 pm
by Snapshot
Isaac, if you even have to ask that question...
It's blatantly obvious why. I've made it incredibly clear. And I don't think any better of you for not paying attention.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 7:27 pm
by Paul Stevens
No need for asshattery.
Lot wrote:Basically, on Lazarus, it's either:
He's bad and I survive; or
He's good and I die
So for me, I see merit in lynching him either way.
Half of your Laz related posts read to me as if you're being mind controlled.
If you're not being mind controlled, then you're okay with dying to prove he's civ, and living to prove he's bad? Is it all that worth it when no one else is voting for him?
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 7:35 pm
by Snapshot
Isaac wrote:If you're not being mind controlled, then you're okay with dying to prove he's civ, and living to prove he's bad? Is it all that worth it when no one else is voting for him?
No, but YOU might be ok with that, since I've been going after you for do long.
If he is civ, I'd prefer he died to prove he is civ, and I lived, since I'm actually making an effort to help win the civs the game, and he is just popping in to vote.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 7:36 pm
by NurseWilgy
Wow, people in this game sure like to overthink obvious things. I plan to vote for Ruth, because it's madness to assume she's somehow good now when there is no evidence to indicate that.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 7:38 pm
by Paul Stevens
Yeaaah. I'm with you there Absalom.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 7:47 pm
by Snapshot
I am not with you at all Absalom.
You have managed to control this thread day after day after day after day. Well done, by the way. You've been doing it since day 2, and you never stopped.
I bet you are heathen, and you've been throwing teammates under the bus.
But at this point, I think it's game over for the civs anyway.
I'm feeling quite frustrated at how out of hand this is. People like Isaac and Deborah should have died a long time ago yet they haven't. I just don't get it. It's actually a waste of time me even playing, because I just get overruled by Absalom anyway.
You guys walk like fools into Death's trap. I'll be lynched tomorrow anyway by Lazarus, no doubt.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:03 pm
by Nicol Bolas
Absalom wrote:Wow, people in this game sure like to overthink obvious things. I plan to vote for Ruth, because it's madness to assume she's somehow good now when there is no evidence to indicate that.
It is madness. I think Lot is bad for this "let Ruth live" talk.
And "If he's good, I die, if he's bad, I live"??? That's such baddie talk.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:07 pm
by NurseWilgy
Lot wrote:I am not with you at all Absalom.
You have managed to control this thread day after day after day after day. Well done, by the way. You've been doing it since day 2, and you never stopped.
I bet you are heathen, and you've been throwing teammates under the bus.
But at this point, I think it's game over for the civs anyway.
I'm feeling quite frustrated at how out of hand this is. People like Isaac and Deborah should have died a long time ago yet they haven't. I just don't get it. It's actually a waste of time me even playing, because I just get overruled by Absalom anyway.
You guys walk like fools into Death's trap. I'll be lynched tomorrow anyway by Lazarus, no doubt.
Why do you think there's a trap? Why do you think Ruth is not exactly as she appears to be? It has to be based on one of three things. Empiraical evidence, either in or out of the thread, logical inference, based on what we already know, or random guessing. Which is it?
Why do you think it's game over four the civs? If you're right about Ruth, there's only two Heathens left. If I'm right and we lynch her, there will be only two left after that. That seems like we're in a pretty good position to me.
I'm sorry you're annoyed at me leading the thread, but I am trying to find bad guys and, not to toot my own horn, doing a fairly good job of it. Who wanted to lynch Samson? Not me. Who wanted to lynch Geoff? Not me. Who anted to lynch Mary Magdalane? Not me. I didn't lead those lynches. Other people are welcome to lead if they can convince me (what's the case on Deborah?) but so far they haven't.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:08 pm
by Snapshot
Common sense. The reason she is back is the interference of a horseman. Why WOULDN'T we let it playout. Why would a horseman bring a heathen back... just to delay us a day? To assist the heathen in winning? That doesn't make any sense. He did it because it's suits HIS purposes.
I think Ruth is probably Heathen, I just think she either a) won't die and we will waste another day or b) one or more civilians will die instead. We are messing with DEATH here.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:09 pm
by NurseWilgy
Pilate wrote:
Absalom wrote:Wow, people in this game sure like to overthink obvious things. I plan to vote for Ruth, because it's madness to assume she's somehow good now when there is no evidence to indicate that.
It is madness. I think Lot is bad for this "let Ruth live" talk.
And "If he's good, I die, if he's bad, I live"??? That's such baddie talk.
I don't think Lot is a Heathen. I think Lazarus would have been NKed if Lot were a Heathen. But he wanted to protect Belshazzar and now he wants to protect Ruth, both of which are irrational in my opinion. It's very strange.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:13 pm
by Snapshot
Who wanted to lynch Cain? Jonathan????
You've led SO MANY lynches in this game.... that it's literally impossible to drown your voice out no matter how hard anyone tries. If you say the word, it will be. Don't you think it's time you were a bit careful with that?
I think Belshazzar was probably Samson, and he probably wanted to tie the vote to prevent any lynch from happening that day and mess us around. I think he wants us to fail at lynches.
But mostly, I just want everyone to get out from under the spell of Absalom and realise that just because you say something doesn't mean it doesn't deserve THOUGHT. You still can be wrong, and rushing headlong into things is not a good idea.
And Pilate, by tomorrow or the next day you will have to make a call whether you want me or Lazarus more. Your call. That's just how it's going to be, unless we can get War dead and stop a vicious cycle.
@absalom - when did I want to protect Belshazzar????? In case you haven't noticed, when you've been right (Ruth, Belshazzar) I've been on your side. Did you miss all day yesterday me saying 'I think Belshazzar is a one shot' and being absolutely completely on your side????
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:14 pm
by NurseWilgy
Lot wrote:Common sense. The reason she is back is the interference of a horseman. (assuming Belsh had a choice in how his role interferes with us.) Why WOULDN'T we let it playout. (Because leaving Heathens alive results in dead civs while we lynch more civs) Why would a horseman bring a heathen back... (assuming he chose who to bring back.) just to delay us a day? To assist the heathen in winning? That doesn't make any sense. He did it because it's suits HIS purposes. (what are his purposes? I asked Ruth this and she never answered me. A lot of people seem awfully certain about the purposes of secret indies)
I think Ruth is probably Heathen, I just think she either a) won't die and we will waste another day or b) one or more civilians will die instead. (so when do we kill her? How do we know when she can be safely lynched?) We are messing with DEATH here.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:17 pm
by Snapshot
OK, whatever, have it your way.
I've made my points, I'm not going to argue forever. If you want it your way, have it your way. I don't actually have a voice OR a vote in this game, I haven't for probably about 10 days, I'm not actually sure what the point of me being here is.
FWIW, Balaam was off the poll back on day whatever because I had the opportunity to take him off it.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:19 pm
by NurseWilgy
Lot wrote:Who wanted to lynch Cain? Jonathan????
You've led SO MANY lynches in this game.... that it's literally impossible to drown your voice out no matter how hard anyone tries. If you say the word, it will be. Don't you think it's time you were a bit careful with that?
I think Belshazzar was probably Samson, and he probably wanted to tie the vote to prevent any lynch from happening that day and mess us around. I think he wants us to fail at lynches.
But mostly, I just want everyone to get out from under the spell of Absalom and realise that just because you say something doesn't mean it doesn't deserve THOUGHT. You still can be wrong, and rushing headlong into things is not a good idea.
And Pilate, by tomorrow or the next day you will have to make a call whether you want me or Lazarus more. Your call. That's just how it's going to be, unless we can get War dead and stop a vicious cycle.
@absalom - when did I want to protect Belshazzar????? In case you haven't noticed, when you've been right (Ruth, Belshazzar) I've been on your side. Did you miss all day yesterday me saying 'I think Belshazzar is a one shot' and being absolutely completely on your side????
I misspoke on the Belshazzar thing. I misremembered. I was thinking of you pushing Isaac over Mordecai, which I found suspicious at the time, but looking back, you didn't push that hard against Mordecai.
But what do you mean about rushing in without thought? I haven't voted yet. I am not rushing in, and I am thinking. I just don't accept the assumptions you're making, because I can see no reason to make them. I also can't help it if people want to follow my lead or find my arguments more persuasive than yours.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:23 pm
by NurseWilgy
Why will no one answer my question about what Death's win condition is? Everyone seems to know it, but no one will tell. Very frustrating.
Re: Biblical Mafia [CHAPTER I]
Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:25 pm
by Snapshot
I didn't push at all against Mordecai. I did push hard against Isaac because I caught him in a boldfaced lie - something most people didn't bother to read. I just find this game too tiring right now. It's pointless being in the thread because neither my words nor my vote have value.
And because no-one believes me that Lazarus is bad, which (if they are all right) means they are not at all interested in having me here either. Why should I put in a whole lot of effort when people right now are basically saying 'yes, you are going to be lynched. We don't want to help. Bye!
I'm either right and no-one will listen, or I'm wrong and people don't see me as being more valuable than someone who is barely bothering to play. Either way - why be here?
Did Epig have a stroke?
