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Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:00 pm
by S~V~S
DharmaHelper wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:12 pm I didn't vote for DDL because I think he might be Mr. Freeze.

I dunno how valid the theory is. Seems supported by enough evidence to be plausible.

Probably 2 teams
I was trying to start a discussion, not interrogate you. :sigh:

But thank you. Same to Bob.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:02 pm
by DharmaHelper
S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:00 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:12 pm I didn't vote for DDL because I think he might be Mr. Freeze.

I dunno how valid the theory is. Seems supported by enough evidence to be plausible.

Probably 2 teams
I was trying to start a discussion, not interrogate you. :sigh:

But thank you. Same to Bob.
Just bullet-pointing my answers.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 6

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:04 pm
by speedchuck
speedchuck wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:22 pm Regarding Quin being town:

Anything could have happened to result in the nutella lynch. Any kind of vote manipulations that could subtract 4 from the leading train. DDL was part of it, we know that. He took away two votes of the required four.
Long Con was on the DDL train. If his vote was worth -1 instead of 1, everything makes sense.
Sure, his vote could have been worth 1, with Quin being scum. And maybe another voter just happened to pop in and lower that vote by two somehow, though I would find it obscene. Those two things could have happened.

But I've been handed a concrete, role-based explanation for an outlandish lynch result on a silver platter. In any other game, we'd be screaming "HOW THE HECK DID THAT HAPPEN?" In this game, we have an explanation for the unlikely event. I'll look no further unless given reason.

It's like if you suddenly received a million dollars in your account. Then a rich dude contacts you and says that he did it, and shows you his bank receipt as proof. But you can't be SURE it was him, because the bank might have blocked the transfer and someone else might have done it. So you don't thank him.
That's what ignoring Quin's semi-townfirm status would be like.
I'm using Occam's razor. It is technically possible that there is another seemer-type role in this game and that LC was town, made to flip as scum. But I'm not going to throw away his flip because of that.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:21 pm
by Quin
S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:30 pm
S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:10 pm And I know Chuck "cleared" Quin, but I still have my doubts. Especially coming from Chuck, whose role does things he doesn't know what they are, lol. I still think no one can be cleared under the circumstances of this game.
I didn't clear him due to my role. I cleared him due to maths.
I know that; I just find clearing people when there are so many secrets for any reason to be especially ironic coming from you when what your role does is a secret even from you. And who it effects positively is also a mystery from you.

You of all people should know the maths are suspect when there are no absolutes in play. Because, you know, there aren't.
my towniness is absolute though

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:49 pm
by Golden
Nutella's Third Task

The following are trivia questions related to this year's mafia games. You must correctly answer all of these questions.

1) In which Survivor season was a hidden immunity idol thrown into the ocean so that nobody could use it?
2) In what year is the original Mass Effect set?
3) What is name of the narrator of the novel The Great Gatsby?
4) The Governor of which state triggered the events that led to Blackbeard's death?
5) Who was Hilary Clinton's Vice-Presidential candidate?
6) In which number book in the Series of Unfortunate Events series does Carmelita Spats first appear?
7) What is the name of Welcome to Night Vale's 101st episode?
8) What is the National Pokedox Number of Weedle?
9) In what year was Street Fighter II released?
10) Who was the first person to climb the highest peak on each continent?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:58 pm
by DharmaHelper
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:49 pm
Nutella's Third Task

The following are trivia questions related to this year's mafia games. You must correctly answer all of these questions.

1) In which Survivor season was a hidden immunity idol thrown into the ocean so that nobody could use it?
2) In what year is the original Mass Effect set? - 2183
3) What is name of the narrator of the novel The Great Gatsby?
4) The Governor of which state triggered the events that led to Blackbeard's death? - Virginia
5) Who was Hilary Clinton's Vice-Presidential candidate? - Tim Kaine
6) In which number book in the Series of Unfortunate Events series does Carmelita Spats first appear?
7) What is the name of Welcome to Night Vale's 101st episode?
8) What is the National Pokedox Number of Weedle? - #0013
9) In what year was Street Fighter II released?
10) Who was the first person to climb the highest peak on each continent?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:06 pm
by DharmaHelper
Gatsby Narrator - Nick Carraway
Carmelita - The Austere Academy, Book 5
Nightvale - Guidelines for Disposal

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:24 pm
by sprityo
aw man those are easy, you can google those no problem

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:29 pm
by Dom
DDL, tell me,
For whom should I vote? Tell me.
i don't think you know.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:34 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
Dom wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:29 pm DDL, tell me,
For whom should I vote? Tell me.
i don't think you know.
I don't think I know either.

I think I'll try working in a rainbow tomorrow to collect my thoughts.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:01 pm
by Epignosis
I think lynching DDL would be a mistake. One moment.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:04 pm
by DharmaHelper
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:01 pm I think lynching DDL would be a mistake. One moment.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 3

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:18 pm
by Epignosis
Let's start with this:
juliets wrote: Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:56 pm
Day 3 has ended. DDL has been lynched. He was:

0: Bulbasaur (Pokemon). You begin each day phase with -2 votes. Each night, you may select an additional player to begin the next day phase with -2 votes. You may not target the same player on consecutive nights.

It is now Night 3. It will last for 24 hours which means you have 22 hours to get your PMs in.
DDL's first role was one of voting manipulation. This would be a powerful role for a mafia member to use to protect his team from lynches.
Golden wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:06 pm
Day 4 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:
11: Commander Shepard (Mass Effect). Your vote value begins at one, and will be determined based on a karmic system. Each day where you vote for a member of the mafia, the worth of your vote will increase by one. Each day where you vote for a civilian, the worth of your vote will decrease by one. Changes to the worth of your vote will take effect from the following day. Your vote is capped at a maximum of 4 and a minimum of -4. You are unable to evolve.


It is now night 4. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in
Long Con's first role was one of voting manipulation. This would be a powerful role for a mafia member to use to protect his team from lynches.

I have a hard time believing a mafia team at one point included two powerful vote manipulators.

But Mr. Epignosis, what if DDL is on the other mafia team?

Hold on there, Johnny. Let's think this over.
Golden wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:11 pm
Day 5 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:
96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.


It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in
Long Con's ultimate role was number 96, a member of the EVIL EVENS (scary, I know, all capitalized like that).

If we were to accept the premises that a mafia team would not consist of two heavy manipulators, and that the other team is the OBNOXIOUS ODDS, then we should expect DDL's role number this time around to be odd.
juliets wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:05 pm DDL's role number is 32.
Well, would you look at that?

Image

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:19 pm
by DharmaHelper
"If we were to accept the premise"

Who are you and what have you done with Epignosis?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:41 pm
by S~V~S
Nice, Epi. :beer:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:46 pm
by speedchuck
Epi what do you think of my analysis post regarding the D2 tie?
speedchuck wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:43 am The infamous D2 TIE!!!!

Here we go:

Here are a couple of before and after polls, placing LC's vote as being worth 2 (-2)
The minus 2 assumes that Quin is town. If Quin is scum, LC's vote was worth 2. If Quin is town, his vote was worth 0. Thus, 2 (with an optional -2 addition).

What actually happened:
DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 5 or 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4
What LC saw if he isn't scum with DDL:
DDL - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 7 or 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

I'm assuming DDL did not put -2 points on me, as scum or town.

. . .

Been staring at these polls for ten minutes. Some observations:

1. If Quin was scum with LC, and his vote was worth 2, LC changed the tide of the lynch. LC did so in a dangerous way, one that revealed that vote manipulations were taking place. He was also the most suspect vote in this case. That's a blow to LC/Quin.

2. If DDL was scum with LC, and Quin was town, then LC would have known what was most likely happening. He also would have seen that the guy with 4 votes (me) getting lynched over the guy with 6 votes (DDL) would have been very incriminating. So he might have vote hopped to avoid suspicion. His vote was probably worth zero anyway, and he might as well make the result look more legitimate. Also, the more he votes for townies, the more -1s he has to his vote. This would help explain how DDL avoided lynching the following day as well. LC is trying to make his vote into a train nullifier.

3. If neither are scum with LC, then LC's vote is most likely worth zero in his eyes. He may have switched his vote at the end to find out, just in case there are other scumteams. That's the only reason I can think of.


It's a difficult puzzle, but I'd say of these three, result 2 is most likely, followed by result 3. Much as I was just suspecting Quin, I don't think LC would have tried to change the tide of the lynch for no reason. LC/Quin is disproven in my book.

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Also, the Nutella lynch on the following day:
DDL (-2 votes) - Epi, cbob, speedchuck, nutella, DH, LC = 4
nutella - Dom, DDL, SVS = 3

If Quin and I are both town, LC's vote was worth -1, two less than normal. If Quin is scum, it's worth 1. Soooo Quin is basically townfirmed. I don't know why we argued with this earlier. Quin and speechuck1 are both townfirms.

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Talk to me about all of this please.

Also [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

linkis: Yeah DDL is totes bad guys

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:47 pm
by Epignosis
I need to look at it more carefully.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:00 pm
by Epignosis
speedchuck wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:46 pm Epi what do you think of my analysis post regarding the D2 tie?
speedchuck wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:43 am The infamous D2 TIE!!!!

Here we go:

Here are a couple of before and after polls, placing LC's vote as being worth 2 (-2)
The minus 2 assumes that Quin is town. If Quin is scum, LC's vote was worth 2. If Quin is town, his vote was worth 0. Thus, 2 (with an optional -2 addition).

What actually happened:
DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 5 or 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4
What LC saw if he isn't scum with DDL:
DDL - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 7 or 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

I'm assuming DDL did not put -2 points on me, as scum or town.

. . .

Been staring at these polls for ten minutes. Some observations:

1. If Quin was scum with LC, and his vote was worth 2, LC changed the tide of the lynch. LC did so in a dangerous way, one that revealed that vote manipulations were taking place. He was also the most suspect vote in this case. That's a blow to LC/Quin.

2. If DDL was scum with LC, and Quin was town, then LC would have known what was most likely happening. He also would have seen that the guy with 4 votes (me) getting lynched over the guy with 6 votes (DDL) would have been very incriminating. So he might have vote hopped to avoid suspicion. His vote was probably worth zero anyway, and he might as well make the result look more legitimate. Also, the more he votes for townies, the more -1s he has to his vote. This would help explain how DDL avoided lynching the following day as well. LC is trying to make his vote into a train nullifier.

3. If neither are scum with LC, then LC's vote is most likely worth zero in his eyes. He may have switched his vote at the end to find out, just in case there are other scumteams. That's the only reason I can think of.


It's a difficult puzzle, but I'd say of these three, result 2 is most likely, followed by result 3. Much as I was just suspecting Quin, I don't think LC would have tried to change the tide of the lynch for no reason. LC/Quin is disproven in my book.

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Also, the Nutella lynch on the following day:
DDL (-2 votes) - Epi, cbob, speedchuck, nutella, DH, LC = 4
nutella - Dom, DDL, SVS = 3

If Quin and I are both town, LC's vote was worth -1, two less than normal. If Quin is scum, it's worth 1. Soooo Quin is basically townfirmed. I don't know why we argued with this earlier. Quin and speechuck1 are both townfirms.

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Talk to me about all of this please.

Also [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

linkis: Yeah DDL is totes bad guys
The stuff in red- why does DDL have five votes and not three in the second?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:00 pm
by Epignosis
Sorry- I meant to spoiler tag that.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:19 pm
by S~V~S
Chuck, who do you suspect besides DDL?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 3

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:09 pm
by Dom
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:18 pm Let's start with this:
juliets wrote: Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:56 pm
Day 3 has ended. DDL has been lynched. He was:

0: Bulbasaur (Pokemon). You begin each day phase with -2 votes. Each night, you may select an additional player to begin the next day phase with -2 votes. You may not target the same player on consecutive nights.

It is now Night 3. It will last for 24 hours which means you have 22 hours to get your PMs in.
DDL's first role was one of voting manipulation. This would be a powerful role for a mafia member to use to protect his team from lynches.
Golden wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:06 pm
Day 4 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:
11: Commander Shepard (Mass Effect). Your vote value begins at one, and will be determined based on a karmic system. Each day where you vote for a member of the mafia, the worth of your vote will increase by one. Each day where you vote for a civilian, the worth of your vote will decrease by one. Changes to the worth of your vote will take effect from the following day. Your vote is capped at a maximum of 4 and a minimum of -4. You are unable to evolve.


It is now night 4. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in
Long Con's first role was one of voting manipulation. This would be a powerful role for a mafia member to use to protect his team from lynches.

I have a hard time believing a mafia team at one point included two powerful vote manipulators.

But Mr. Epignosis, what if DDL is on the other mafia team?

Hold on there, Johnny. Let's think this over.
Golden wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:11 pm
Day 5 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:
96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.


It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in
Long Con's ultimate role was number 96, a member of the EVIL EVENS (scary, I know, all capitalized like that).

If we were to accept the premises that a mafia team would not consist of two heavy manipulators, and that the other team is the OBNOXIOUS ODDS, then we should expect DDL's role number this time around to be odd.
juliets wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:05 pm DDL's role number is 32.
Well, would you look at that?

Image
Sure. First role prob was
not bad by your logic. Solid.
Alignment could change?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:12 pm
by DharmaHelper
Seems a bit too speculative to assume that because DDL's role number is allegedly even that he is either on the Even team or not bad.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:14 pm
by Dom
But he did not have
to always have been on the team
of numbers: 2K

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:39 pm
by speedchuck
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:00 pm
speedchuck wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:46 pm Epi what do you think of my analysis post regarding the D2 tie?
speedchuck wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:43 am The infamous D2 TIE!!!!

Here we go:

Here are a couple of before and after polls, placing LC's vote as being worth 2 (-2)
The minus 2 assumes that Quin is town. If Quin is scum, LC's vote was worth 2. If Quin is town, his vote was worth 0. Thus, 2 (with an optional -2 addition).

What actually happened:
DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 5 or 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4
What LC saw if he isn't scum with DDL:
DDL - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 7 or 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

I'm assuming DDL did not put -2 points on me, as scum or town.

. . .

Been staring at these polls for ten minutes. Some observations:

1. If Quin was scum with LC, and his vote was worth 2, LC changed the tide of the lynch. LC did so in a dangerous way, one that revealed that vote manipulations were taking place. He was also the most suspect vote in this case. That's a blow to LC/Quin.

2. If DDL was scum with LC, and Quin was town, then LC would have known what was most likely happening. He also would have seen that the guy with 4 votes (me) getting lynched over the guy with 6 votes (DDL) would have been very incriminating. So he might have vote hopped to avoid suspicion. His vote was probably worth zero anyway, and he might as well make the result look more legitimate. Also, the more he votes for townies, the more -1s he has to his vote. This would help explain how DDL avoided lynching the following day as well. LC is trying to make his vote into a train nullifier.

3. If neither are scum with LC, then LC's vote is most likely worth zero in his eyes. He may have switched his vote at the end to find out, just in case there are other scumteams. That's the only reason I can think of.


It's a difficult puzzle, but I'd say of these three, result 2 is most likely, followed by result 3. Much as I was just suspecting Quin, I don't think LC would have tried to change the tide of the lynch for no reason. LC/Quin is disproven in my book.

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Also, the Nutella lynch on the following day:
DDL (-2 votes) - Epi, cbob, speedchuck, nutella, DH, LC = 4
nutella - Dom, DDL, SVS = 3

If Quin and I are both town, LC's vote was worth -1, two less than normal. If Quin is scum, it's worth 1. Soooo Quin is basically townfirmed. I don't know why we argued with this earlier. Quin and speechuck1 are both townfirms.

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Talk to me about all of this please.

Also [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

linkis: Yeah DDL is totes bad guys
The stuff in red- why does DDL have five votes and not three in the second?
I was trying to show what LC would have thought was going on, NOT KNOWING about DDL's power. Accidentally left the -2 in there.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:50 pm
by sprityo
yknow what i thought odd about Long Con's Second lynch.

The original role name for Forger in Phenon was "Fernando De La Garza."

and then if you look at his first flip, it's Commander Shepard, having just about the same powers

:ponder: i dont think the hosts would take a role and then not use the same name. they might adust the powers but keep the concept as a whole

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:04 pm
by sprityo
What if Long Con was the forger and a teammate made it so he flipped like that? the real forger is still alive, or LC was civilian and he got a Quin pulled on him

albeit though theres no Evil Evens role that is named Michaelangelo

in fact i dont think there was any role in cc123 with that name

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:05 pm
by sprityo
ebwop: wasnt*

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:08 pm
by Epignosis
Got it speed. Still studying it.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:16 pm
by Dom
good ideas to think
about. but we have no way of
confirming it all

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:19 pm
by Epignosis
Dom wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:16 pm good ideas to think
about. but we have no way of
confirming it all
I'm not concerned with confirming anything. We have to throw ideas around and go with what we think is best. Sitting around waiting for confirmation means the mafia can dictate what happens in the thread. I'm not about that.

We had no confirmation that Long Con was lying about conversing with the hosts, so apparently you aren't about that either. :beer:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:27 pm
by Epignosis
sprityo wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:04 pm What if Long Con was the forger and a teammate made it so he flipped like that? the real forger is still alive, or LC was civilian and he got a Quin pulled on him

albeit though theres no Evil Evens role that is named Michaelangelo

in fact i dont think there was any role in cc123 with that name
The host said it was from Phenon. You hosted that. You had no Michelangelo either.

But huh.

Here's a curious thing:
Golden wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:11 pm
96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.
It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in[/size][/center]
That shit ain't spelt right.

:mafia:

Do the hosts know how to spell check? I assume they do.

Hmm.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:48 pm
by Golden
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:08 pm And this is how I knew your first role had no bearing on affiliation.

And yay now I don't have to be so paranoid, I was petrified someone was gonna vote for me.
To whom is she speaking to here?
Grammar errors. I assume epi knows the word 'to' is superfluous in one of those two instances.

Come at me, bro! :p

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:51 pm
by Epignosis
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:08 pm And this is how I knew your first role had no bearing on affiliation.

And yay now I don't have to be so paranoid, I was petrified someone was gonna vote for me.
To whom is she speaking to here?
Grammar errors. I assume epi knows the word 'to' is superfluous in one of those two instances.

Come at me, bro! :p
That's perfectly acceptable usage in the Beerish dialect. :llama:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:57 pm
by Golden
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:51 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:08 pm And this is how I knew your first role had no bearing on affiliation.

And yay now I don't have to be so paranoid, I was petrified someone was gonna vote for me.
To whom is she speaking to here?
Grammar errors. I assume epi knows the word 'to' is superfluous in one of those two instances.

Come at me, bro! :p
That's perfectly acceptable usage in the Beerish dialect. :llama:
And my spelling is acceptable usage when he's a FORGER

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:05 pm
by sprityo
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:27 pm Here's a curious thing:
Golden wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:11 pm
96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.
It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in
That shit ain't spelt right.

:mafia:

Do the hosts know how to spell check? I assume they do.

Hmm.
it took me a minute but i see your point

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:06 pm
by sprityo
ah yes my favorite renaissance artist

Michael Angelo

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:09 pm
by Epignosis
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:51 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:08 pm And this is how I knew your first role had no bearing on affiliation.

And yay now I don't have to be so paranoid, I was petrified someone was gonna vote for me.
To whom is she speaking to here?
Grammar errors. I assume epi knows the word 'to' is superfluous in one of those two instances.

Come at me, bro! :p
That's perfectly acceptable usage in the Beerish dialect. :llama:
And my spelling is acceptable usage when he's a FORGER
Golden owned the spelling.

I am no longer entertaining the idea that a mafia player made a civilian Long Con look like an evil "Michaelangelo."

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:24 pm
by speedchuck
Nice

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:44 pm
by nutella
All answers have been submitted

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:46 pm
by nutella
Epi's reasoning....... makes sense....... but I think there's a possibility that whatever team there is other than the evil evens isn't necessarily all odd-numbered people. Idk. Or DDL isn't bad. :shrug:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:49 pm
by Quin
sprityo wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:04 pm What if Long Con was the forger and a teammate made it so he flipped like that? the real forger is still alive, or LC was civilian and he got a Quin pulled on him

albeit though theres no Evil Evens role that is named Michaelangelo

in fact i dont think there was any role in cc123 with that name
I knew Phenon was going to haunt my nightmares.

Now it's a fucking term. :disappoint:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:51 pm
by Quin
All of DDL's and the second of LC's role were even. The fact that LC's first role was odd and yet he flipped as an evil even makes me discount scumreading DDL based on his role number alone.

I have no idea if that's exactly what Epi just said because I skimmed it while eating dumplings.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:53 pm
by Quin
That said, I dislike DDL's actions during the second LC lynch and wouldn't mind taking one of his lives for the insurance.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:56 pm
by Epignosis
I don't think the first role's number is relevant to what team a bad guy is on.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:57 pm
by nutella
Quin wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:51 pm All of DDL's and the second of LC's role were even. The fact that LC's first role was odd and yet he flipped as an evil even makes me discount scumreading DDL based on his role number alone.

I have no idea if that's exactly what Epi just said because I skimmed it while eating dumplings.
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Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:24 am
by Quin
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:56 pm I don't think the first role's number is relevant to what team a bad guy is on.
Why?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:26 am
by Epignosis
Quin wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:24 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:56 pm I don't think the first role's number is relevant to what team a bad guy is on.
Why?
Because there is evidence to suggest that it isn't. LC's first role was odd. His ultimate role was even.

If role numbers don't mean anything, then why do we have DDL's role number? Is it a red herring?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:32 am
by Quin
Epignosis wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:26 am
Quin wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:24 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:56 pm I don't think the first role's number is relevant to what team a bad guy is on.
Why?
Because there is evidence to suggest that it isn't. LC's first role was odd. His ultimate role was even.

If role numbers don't mean anything, then why do we have DDL's role number? Is it a red herring?
I literally just said that LC's first role was odd and then forgot. :disappoint:

I don't think we have his role number as just another reason to suspect him of being even. It's possible that roles in this game are supposed to interact for the more helpful results. Like, there might be a role that can do something with that information.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 7

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:50 am
by Epignosis
Quin wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:32 am
Epignosis wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:26 am
Quin wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:24 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:56 pm I don't think the first role's number is relevant to what team a bad guy is on.
Why?
Because there is evidence to suggest that it isn't. LC's first role was odd. His ultimate role was even.

If role numbers don't mean anything, then why do we have DDL's role number? Is it a red herring?
I literally just said that LC's first role was odd and then forgot. :disappoint:

I don't think we have his role number as just another reason to suspect him of being even. It's possible that roles in this game are supposed to interact for the more helpful results. Like, there might be a role that can do something with that information.
I am sure role numbers serve other purposes. However, the fact that we were explicitly told DDL's role number has to be relevant to the group. If it isn't, then it's a red herring to the group. Otherwise, it could be told privately to whatever person has something to do with role numbers.

I'm sticking with my perspective here. If DDL is bad, he has to be on LC's team, which would mean they had crazy vote manipulation powers, which I don't believe. I would have to be convinced otherwise.

That said, nothing I've said precludes DDL from being an evil independent.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 6

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:48 am
by Epignosis
Epignosis wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:46 pm That leaves me with DDL, nutella, and Dom, and I'm bored with voting for Dom.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
The thing is I'm now stuck between voting for nutella and Dom. :ponder:

I could add S~V~S to this.

If her role was a civilian role, as she claims, then her ideal use of it would be baiting mafia to vote for her. That isn't the perspective she took. She was relieved that nobody voted for her:
S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:03 am So I was just relieved. I made it to Night 7 without even one vote. You have no idea how stressful this was. And how worried I was about how people would react to it. I was town before and I am town now.
On the other hand:
# 58
Alias: The Asymptomatic Carrier
Source: The Asian Flu Pandemic came to an end in 1958, after claiming over two million lives worldwide
Member Of: Evil Evens
Power Type: Passive Ability
Role Description: You are infected with a deadly strain of influenza but aren’t hurt by it. Every person you vote for will become infected. You will also infect every player who targets you with a day or night power. Anyone you infect will, in turn, infect anyone they vote for and any player using a night or day power on them. Once 2/3 of all players have become infected, one player will die each day. Two day phases after #58 dies, the virus will stop spreading but infected players will still be at risk of dying until the infection rate drops below 50%.
S~V~S had a real role from CC123. For that reason, it might make sense that she believed DDL to have the Mr. Freeze role, which lends credibility to her perspective (which, to be frank, I found out of whack, since we obviously don't all have roles from CC123 even though we have numbers).

I am inclined to find S~V~S's posts more genuine than I suspect her previous role.

And speaking of her role: A ten percent chance, despite how distraught S~V~S says she was about taking any votes, is not that great. I can believe the role is a civilian role. If it is a civilian role, it's only function is to potentially punish people for voting a civilian. If it is a mafia role, then it punishes civilians for doing what they are supposed to do: Vote out mafia.

Nah.

I'm going to keep S~V~S in the good pile for now.