The Syndicate

I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

Ok sorry for being absent yesterday, after another 11 hour day I needed tacos and just never ended up making it back to the thread. I'm catching up but it's going to be slow since there's like 9 pages. As always @ me or quote me if necessary, and I will try to respond promptly.

I mean, I guess the Sloonei five and our other suspicions aren't really based on it, but the Trickster can apparently forge every night, according to the list.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

There was some speculation that the trickster is still out there since his kill can be forged he also can make information skewed in his favor. I am more apt to believe that now that this information has been given and is leading people in the wrong direction.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame

Maybe DrWilgy is the Trickster

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 am @Lunalee what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?

Her first game was on this site, so the site history is all here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 am Lunalee what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?

Her first game was on this site, so the site history is all here.

Not helpful for my purposes, since apparently there are both types of games here

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:42 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame

I actually feel like Occam's Razor points the other way on this one. If the mafia team have the trickster, why WOULDN'T they use him every night? And what would be more confusing and misleading than flipping a kill as scum? And even moreso, what scum role is DEFINITELY scum and even more confusing?

So either a mafia team is playing pretty well, or a kill last night got REALLY lucky.

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's 50/50 or so personally.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:50 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 am Lunalee what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?

Her first game was on this site, so the site history is all here.

Not helpful for my purposes, since apparently there are both types of games here

She also has a list of games she's played in her signature, which I have turned off for reading's sake.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:42 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame

I actually feel like Occam's Razor points the other way on this one. If the mafia team have the trickster, why WOULDN'T they use him every night? And what would be more confusing and misleading than flipping a kill as scum? And even moreso, what scum role is DEFINITELY scum and even more confusing?

So either a mafia team is playing pretty well, or a kill last night got REALLY lucky.

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's 50/50 or so personally.

I still come back to "how do we react to this information" and if the answer is just "idk but you should think about it" I will remain unsatisfied.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:50 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 am Lunalee what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?

Her first game was on this site, so the site history is all here.

Not helpful for my purposes, since apparently there are both types of games here

She also has a list of games she's played in her signature, which I have turned off for reading's sake.

I don't actually care about her performances, but I'm asking because there's a bunch of people jumping her for believing an infodump and where I started on the Realms the default rule is to trust info unless given a strong reason not to (almost to a fault really).

Dana wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:42 pm I'm about 8 pages behind and I forgot the end time was moved up so I'll [VOTE: Quin] aubergine for now and possibly change my mind by the time I catch up. He seems very angry (which I think is normal for him but I don't really remember), and I am not getting the best vibe. I see that Wigly is in the lead right now but I don't have much of an opinion on him, and he also isn't on the Sloonei list if that discussion is still going on right now. I feel sort of okay about the other 4 on the list at the moment.

Wat

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:54 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:42 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame

I actually feel like Occam's Razor points the other way on this one. If the mafia team have the trickster, why WOULDN'T they use him every night? And what would be more confusing and misleading than flipping a kill as scum? And even moreso, what scum role is DEFINITELY scum and even more confusing?

So either a mafia team is playing pretty well, or a kill last night got REALLY lucky.

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's 50/50 or so personally.

I still come back to "how do we react to this information" and if the answer is just "idk but you should think about it" I will remain unsatisfied.

I've lynched people in games before solely based on their interactions with a known scum.

I will not be doing that with TH's flip.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:30 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:55 pm Infodumping sucks. I don't like it. Never have and never will. I'm not moving my vote because someone has info that may or may not be true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:15 pm
Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.

What's your plan if we lynch one of these 5 and they're civ?

Let's say we lynch Luna today and she's good.
Day 3 we go "oh it's one out of these 4 now, those are even better odds", we lynch Kyle and he's good.
Day 4 we lynch DDL and he's good.
Day 5 we lynch Quin and he's good.
Day 6 we lynch G-Man and he's either bad (you got good info) or not (your info was incorrect, or you lied and made us waste 5 lynches)

We could waste up to 4 lynches if the info is right, 5 if it's wrong.

So... I just checked and tranq dropped this and then never posted again?

So I think quite heavily that tranq is bad and one of his teammates is on the verge of getting lynched today, and their team is frustrated at getting hit by map info.

So considering the state of the poll, I'll move my vote to wilgy since he's in the lead he'd be the one tranq is mad about.

This post is so close to being a really good insight and then it trips at the finish line

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:01 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:54 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:42 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame

I actually feel like Occam's Razor points the other way on this one. If the mafia team have the trickster, why WOULDN'T they use him every night? And what would be more confusing and misleading than flipping a kill as scum? And even moreso, what scum role is DEFINITELY scum and even more confusing?

So either a mafia team is playing pretty well, or a kill last night got REALLY lucky.

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's 50/50 or so personally.

I still come back to "how do we react to this information" and if the answer is just "idk but you should think about it" I will remain unsatisfied.

I've lynched people in games before solely based on their interactions with a known scum.

I will not be doing that with TH's flip.

This is the first good answer to this question I've heard. Civ points for speedchuck.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:55 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:50 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 am Lunalee what's your mafia background? Infodump heavy games, no infodumping games, etc?

Her first game was on this site, so the site history is all here.

Not helpful for my purposes, since apparently there are both types of games here

She also has a list of games she's played in her signature, which I have turned off for reading's sake.

I don't actually care about her performances, but I'm asking because there's a bunch of people jumping her for believing an infodump and where I started on the Realms the default rule is to trust info unless given a strong reason not to (almost to a fault really).

Speed sort of gave you my mafia background. I started playing online this year in February. But it looks like you're really asking why I believed sprityo's info dump. It was useful information, he didn't have to share it, it hasn't been proved false, and I saw no reason to not believe it.

I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

[mention]Tranq[/mention] thank you for your reply. I tend to think you're not lying because you're identifying your position on the map with the Magic Mirror thingy and there could be someone that knows what square you are on and can check to see if there really is a mirror there and what kind of info it gives. In other words, if it was a lie it was a risky lie.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention], in all fairness to you it has occurred to me that you haven't played one of these Long Rock games and my skepticism comes from years of playing them and knowing that information is often not what it seems.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:18 pm So with the clock ticking i need to start making decisions. Ftr I'm good with a wilgy lynch or a gmeng lynch, neither has much of a civ aura at all. I moved my vote to tranq for the moment to get it off speedchuck. Tranqs quietness is not like him, at all.

Do you have experience playing with Tranq? Is he more talkative normally?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

@Tranq thank you for your reply. I tend to think you're not lying because you're identifying your position on the map with the Magic Mirror thingy and there could be someone that knows what square you are on and can check to see if there really is a mirror there and what kind of info it gives. In other words, if it was a lie it was a risky lie.

@Lunalee, in all fairness to you it has occurred to me that you haven't played one of these Long Rock games and my skepticism comes from years of playing them and knowing that information is often not what it seems.

Yes, this is my first map-based game and Long Con/Black Rock game.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.

This makes me think TH wasn't even bad, and the mafia team with the trickster killed him.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:50 am I dont know all I know is someone is messing with me and has it out for me and that little bit of map info is making people suspect me when it really does not say I'm bad. People haven't made any case against me other than here is some really vague info we choose to interpret incorrectly and we will automatically assume sabie is bad now. I am not bad so someone is trying to make me look that way to get suspicion off of themselves.

You still have not responded to what is being asked of you. You strongly implied that Wilgy was with or near you on the map or had been. Thst information is a huge reason for many of his votes. are you now denying that you implied that and that you just thought he was guilty because he was sketchy? Please answer.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.

This makes me think TH wasn't even bad, and the mafia team with the trickster killed him.

I give up

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:53 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.

This makes me think TH wasn't even bad, and the mafia team with the trickster killed him.

I give up

What's your opinion on the TH flip?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:54 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:53 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.

This makes me think TH wasn't even bad, and the mafia team with the trickster killed him.

I give up

What's your opinion on the TH flip?

That there's a lot of FUD spread around it that's totally unhelpful whether it's being done by mafia or civs.

Honestly I'm probably tunneling on it too much and I should just relax and let it go.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:49 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:50 am I dont know all I know is someone is messing with me and has it out for me and that little bit of map info is making people suspect me when it really does not say I'm bad. People haven't made any case against me other than here is some really vague info we choose to interpret incorrectly and we will automatically assume sabie is bad now. I am not bad so someone is trying to make me look that way to get suspicion off of themselves.

You still have not responded to what is being asked of you. You strongly implied that Wilgy was with or near you on the map or had been. Thst information is a huge reason for many of his votes. are you now denying that you implied that and that you just thought he was guilty because he was sketchy? Please answer.

After reading the rules I see I'm really not supposed to directly answer that. That's why I haven't responded.

Voting 6 because that's clearly the obvious answer.

Also catching up.

I'm salty because you people made a CFD on Tranq while I was out. And didn't even finish the job properly.

I feel like it's personal.

Also I had been suspecting wilgy prior to all the other stuff happening because he was being sketchy. He placed a vote with no explanation then disappeared all day long then he said some weird things like he didnt even care if he got lynched and never defended himself. Only argument I got for not voting him was oh he does that sometimes. So if someone does sketchy things that normally is not deemed acceptable enough times it's now fine I guess.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:42 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?

Occam's Razor

Also it's N2 not endgame

I actually feel like Occam's Razor points the other way on this one. If the mafia team have the trickster, why WOULDN'T they use him every night? And what would be more confusing and misleading than flipping a kill as scum? And even moreso, what scum role is DEFINITELY scum and even more confusing?

So either a mafia team is playing pretty well, or a kill last night got REALLY lucky.

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's 50/50 or so personally.

We don’t know for sure that the trickster’s team killed on Night 1.

Missed a bunch of EOD not sure how much time I'll have today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:15 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:14 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:46 am one of the mafia team's win objectives isn't necessarily incompatible with the civilian win condition

Huh?

He is drunk and scum claimed.

I... wouldn't put it past him?

In Hogwarts, [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] used the res. stone to talk to him in the afterlife, then he slipped maybe a little to much information to INH (like having the stone and wanting to make alliances with the mafia).

One day later INH gets revived by lolRedirects and both me and DH think DH is doomed since INH is gonna out him to his scummates.

But INH just spends the whole day posting Voldemort memes and not being arsed to tell his team about it before he's lynched again.

So yeah.

I've been trying to hold on smearing INH for that but really... I can't. Sorry.

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:49 am I woke up in the middle of the night and found myself about to be CFD'd so I made another last minute push for Wilgy. As I said before Wilgy could be the Hollow Man so I'm not necessarily wrong. On my square there's an item i found called the Mirror of Truth which told me he might be bad.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:21 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:49 am I woke up in the middle of the night and found myself about to be CFD'd so I made another last minute push for Wilgy. As I said before Wilgy could be the Hollow Man so I'm not necessarily wrong. On my square there's an item i found called the Mirror of Truth which told me he might be bad.

Tranq's dump not steamy enough for you?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:53 am Just popping in for a second. I also was referring to the hollow man role that can appear civ when lynched. Its possible. Or it's possible we were just wrong. Wilgy never bothered to defend himself or do anything really so it's hard to tell. I will have to look more into the 5 people sloonei was suspecting and see where the tranq thing came from as it happened pretty quick. I had been suspecting quin before so I'll have to look more closely there. I think the inh suspicion comes from being unsure where his info came from all of a sudden out of nowhere at the end of the day after not being around for awhile and everyone thinking he was silenced. This end if day was weird to say the least.

Why does it feel like every post you make is formatted in those carefully constructed 5-6 line paragraphs that make a bunch of short comments in a few subjects each?

Just a random thought.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:26 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:21 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:49 am I woke up in the middle of the night and found myself about to be CFD'd so I made another last minute push for Wilgy. As I said before Wilgy could be the Hollow Man so I'm not necessarily wrong. On my square there's an item i found called the Mirror of Truth which told me he might be bad.

Tranq's dump not steamy enough for you?

[mention]Tranq[/mention] this is an item you found and not like an event right and you used it, which then told you wilgy “might” be bad?

I just want to make sure I’m hearing you correctly

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:28 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:53 am Just popping in for a second. I also was referring to the hollow man role that can appear civ when lynched. Its possible. Or it's possible we were just wrong. Wilgy never bothered to defend himself or do anything really so it's hard to tell. I will have to look more into the 5 people sloonei was suspecting and see where the tranq thing came from as it happened pretty quick. I had been suspecting quin before so I'll have to look more closely there. I think the inh suspicion comes from being unsure where his info came from all of a sudden out of nowhere at the end of the day after not being around for awhile and everyone thinking he was silenced. This end if day was weird to say the least.

Why does it feel like every post you make is formatted in those carefully constructed 5-6 line paragraphs that make a bunch of short comments in a few subjects each?

Just a random thought.

That's just how I talk. I have to try to type everything out on a phone and it's easier if I just try to get all my thoughts in one post rather than keep trying to go back. I cant really do a lot of copy pasting or going back and forth between pages and all that. I'm too poor to buy a laptop unfortunately.

Hey guys I got a message that told me Sabie might be bad

Oh wait, nevermind that was the rules/playerlist/op. Seems like everyone got that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm Oh wait, nevermind that was the rules/playerlist/op. Seems like everyone got that.

What?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:52 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm Oh wait, nevermind that was the rules/playerlist/op. Seems like everyone got that.

What?

Is joke.

"X might be bad" is literally the idea of the game. The OP gives us a list of players to go to town on.

Tranq's info that "Wilgy might be bad" is really, really odd.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:00 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:52 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:50 pm Oh wait, nevermind that was the rules/playerlist/op. Seems like everyone got that.

What?

Is joke.

"X might be bad" is literally the idea of the game. The OP gives us a list of players to go to town on.

Tranq's info that "Wilgy might be bad" is really, really odd.

I wasn't sure if he was making that up or had reason to believe some info he got meant that.

I'm sure the poll is some kind of trick question but I'll go with 0.

Were it not for sprityo's claim, I'd have a solid town read on sabie.
sprityo's claim remains ambiguous and hard to decipher. I mean, his claim itself is straightforward. The information he has is the ambiguous part.

No guys seriously its 6.

4 dead roles. And 2 extra roles in the OP.

QED

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:08 pm No guys seriously its 6.

4 dead roles. And 2 extra roles in the OP.

QED

Excellent point. Changing my vote.