The Syndicate

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:58 pm Watcher is a pretty pro-town role. Unfortunate that it ‘failed’ or whatever, but don’t think a mafia would lie about that it failed in that position

what kind of argument is this

"watcher is a pro town role" okay so is literally every claimed role except maybe the loverizer
i claim town alignment cop you cant kill me its pro-town

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:03 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:54 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:49 pm I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

how sheepable is this read

given i think the opposite

also i still think TR is a villager and have liked poop a decent bit more today so shrugze

could be v/v/v

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

they claimed to target alison/nute, i havent claimed my target

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

ill unvote for now, but with what you know, what should my general concern level be if i did or did not target alison/nute as my first target?

only voting for falcon, poop or toopy today.
will be back at eod to see where the wagons are at

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:05 pm Poop is obvious mafia

I don’t see it

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:05 pm Poop is obvious mafia

go on

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:06 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:58 pm Watcher is a pretty pro-town role. Unfortunate that it ‘failed’ or whatever, but don’t think a mafia would lie about that it failed in that position

what kind of argument is this

"watcher is a pro town role" okay so is literally every claimed role except maybe the loverizer

Spoiler: show

lets policy them their role is maybe anti-town!

i claim town alignment cop you cant kill me its pro-town

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:03 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:54 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:49 pm I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

how sheepable is this read

given i think the opposite

also i still think TR is a villager and have liked poop a decent bit more today so shrugze

could be v/v/v

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

they claimed to target alison/nute, i havent claimed my target

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

ill unvote for now, but with what you know, what should my general concern level be if i did or did not target alison/nute as my first target?

What mafia claims watcher.

Ok bad argument i claimed cop as mafia too

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:06 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:58 pm Watcher is a pretty pro-town role. Unfortunate that it ‘failed’ or whatever, but don’t think a mafia would lie about that it failed in that position

what kind of argument is this

"watcher is a pro town role" okay so is literally every claimed role except maybe the loverizer

Spoiler: show

lets policy them their role is maybe anti-town!

i claim town alignment cop you cant kill me its pro-town

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:03 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:54 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:49 pm I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

how sheepable is this read

given i think the opposite

also i still think TR is a villager and have liked poop a decent bit more today so shrugze

could be v/v/v

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

they claimed to target alison/nute, i havent claimed my target

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

ill unvote for now, but with what you know, what should my general concern level be if i did or did not target alison/nute as my first target?

I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:10 pm I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:12 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:10 pm I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

Yes

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:13 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

...this is going to go back and forth if i continue it now so i'll just say "okay we can continue playing this i have reasons to believe someones claim but i won't divulge into it game that every player seems to be playing"

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:13 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:12 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:10 pm I wouldn't be overly concerned but I wouldn't be unconcerned

i was asking two different questions

one if i did target alison/nute
one if i didn't

Yes

noted

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:05 pm Poop is obvious mafia

Well one of you are.

-Toopy

FalconKnows over BottomText anytime of the week.
If it comes down to it, know I have intent to vote FK so BT doesn’t die.

-Toopy

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Like if this isn’t Obv Town.
I don’t know what iiiiiiiiiiiiisssss!!!

-Toopy

Since Binoo is soooooo busy, I’ll post exactly what Binoo said to me in DM’s.

Honestly, I remember H&V's re-entry D1 pinging me as off. I'll have to do an ISO of their slot sometime, but they didn't read as genuine to me.

As far as the post is concerned, I'd be inclined to believe town!T&T. I feel like they would've tried to exploit it and get us to vanillarize a townie (regardless of who they said scum were). Most of our role comes later on if some sort of investigative role gets killed off and doesn't get to provide any of their info so we should keep the medium talk under wraps for now, but if scum dies toDay we should try again (and use both the in-thread crumb & say we know T&T was town because we didn't get to communicate with them).

-Toopy with the speech of Binoo

I also don’t think Binoo realizes we are 1-Shot.

-Toopy

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:22 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Like if this isn’t Obv Town.
I don’t know what iiiiiiiiiiiiisssss!!!

-Toopy

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:13 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

In my Mafia Game I was honest about everything I did regarding my role.

Sooooooooo.
Fine a different reason!!!

-Toopy

Find one.*
It’ll be fine.

-Toopy

Actually I’m wrong.
Poop/H&V can both be Town if FK/Tony is scum.

-Toopy

Poop/H&V are never W/W

-Toopt

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:13 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

Zero VT claims so far. What kinda firepower do wolves have?

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:36 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:13 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

If the goal was to make up the watcher claim, I doubt they would say their ability failed.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:38 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:36 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:13 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

If the goal was to make up the watcher claim, I doubt they would say their ability failed.

Why not? Don't wanna risk claiming a result that a townie who visited your target could disprove.

Between H&V and Bottom Text who is more wolfy?

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:38 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:36 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:13 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

If the goal was to make up the watcher claim, I doubt they would say their ability failed.

Why not? If they say "I watched so and so, and they were not visited", all it takes is someone going "that's a lie, I visited them" and they're outed. Similarly if a tracker was on them they can disprove the claim. Claiming to be roleblocked is safe because it stops them from inadvertently claiming something impossible.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:40 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:38 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:36 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:13 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:09 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:08 pm What mafia claims watcher.

a mafia watcher

Yeah, but my point is it’s traditionally a pro-town role and I think if they were a mafia watcher they wouldn’t claim their ability failed. I think they would make up something that seems relatively safe. I also have other reasons to believe it as well which I don’t want to divulge atm

Why can't they just be a completely different mafia role that is just making the Watcher thing up

If the goal was to make up the watcher claim, I doubt they would say their ability failed.

Why not? Don't wanna risk claiming a result that a townie who visited your target could disprove.

It just seems... anticlimatic.

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:40 pm Between H&V and Bottom Text who is more wolfy?

TR and julinook have both hinted that they have mech info that BT's claim isn't believable and H&V have at least towntold today so probably BT.

The chances of being tracked is slim. I think I'd take the risk.

I did so in Fargo mafia.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:41 pm It just seems... anticlimatic.

This doesn't seem like a good reason to clear Mana.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:42 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:40 pm Between H&V and Bottom Text who is more wolfy?

TR and julinook have both hinted that they have mech info that BT's claim isn't believable and H&V have at least towntold today so probably BT.

when did nook say anything about my claim

i don't know how much more blatantly real i have to get but i fully believe mana TMIed me V and y'all are clearing them for... claiming no result? so whatever

Yeah but like I said I have other reasons to think they aren't mafia who had their actions fail.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:32 pm you assume... redirection? why do you assume i'm even real?

i'll clarify on this because i think it's one of the more damning parts of the post

we are a slot in PoE

they are also a slot in PoE

if, for some reason, they are a villager, and their first thought is "wow, we must have been redirected by Bottom Text"

where is the spark of "holy shit, their claim is probably real, the PoE might just be wrong"

there isn't one

because they don't think like a villager

i will take my applause in the form of joycats and/or unvotes

bye

I was informed by my other head that Dana is usually an innocent child and isn't one this game. Is this accurate?

Want FK/Mana wagons

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:45 pm Yeah but like I said I have other reasons to think they aren't mafia who had their actions fail.

I guess it's entirely possible that they lied about their action failing. in which case, it might be outing.

Where is TSP when I need to speak to him

help

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:03 pm Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

@Bottom Text This is what I meant by nook hinting at having setup info that tr/poop/bt claims can't coexist (and between the three I trust tr and poop significantly more)

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:53 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:03 pm Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

@Bottom Text This is what I meant by nook hinting at having setup info that tr/poop/bt claims can't coexist (and between the three I trust tr and poop significantly more)

noted

dno what to tell you

at this point i feel like our flip might solve things but that's quitter talk and im not a quitter

If Mana is scum then I'd look into TR a little bit more.

im feeling like soon is about the time i claim n1 targets/uses/conditionals given there seems to be approximately 100 people vaguely claiming similar enough roles

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine for now

katze is posting like ted in GoC tbh tbh

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:48 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:32 pm you assume... redirection? why do you assume i'm even real?

i'll clarify on this because i think it's one of the more damning parts of the post

we are a slot in PoE

they are also a slot in PoE

if, for some reason, they are a villager, and their first thought is "wow, we must have been redirected by Bottom Text"

where is the spark of "holy shit, their claim is probably real, the PoE might just be wrong"

there isn't one

because they don't think like a villager

okay maybe this is gonna sound bad but we did discuss how this makes you probably town in our hydra chat, and I asked if we should take it to the thread since you were getting heat and made said yes but maybe not right away so we can try and learn something from the people pushing you. I've never played a closed game before or a game with roleclaiming allowed/encouraged so im rly just following his lead here.

my first thought was "oh man our action failed " and then you said we were one of your targets so my second thought was "maybe that's related to why our action failed". has anyone claimed to block us directly yet? that's definitely also an option, but I'm still quite a few pages behind

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:51 pm I was informed by my other head that Dana is usually an innocent child and isn't one this game. Is this accurate?

I'm not sure I would say usually, I've only played a couple games ever and I've definitely been sussed a lot in the past, but most of those games were like half a decade ago

Mana wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 3:36 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:48 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:32 pm you assume... redirection? why do you assume i'm even real?

i'll clarify on this because i think it's one of the more damning parts of the post

we are a slot in PoE

they are also a slot in PoE

if, for some reason, they are a villager, and their first thought is "wow, we must have been redirected by Bottom Text"

where is the spark of "holy shit, their claim is probably real, the PoE might just be wrong"

there isn't one

because they don't think like a villager

okay maybe this is gonna sound bad but we did discuss how this makes you probably town in our hydra chat, and I asked if we should take it to the thread since you were getting heat and made said yes but maybe not right away so we can try and learn something from the people pushing you. I've never played a closed game before or a game with roleclaiming allowed/encouraged so im rly just following his lead here.

my first thought was "oh man our action failed " and then you said we were one of your targets so my second thought was "maybe that's related to why our action failed". has anyone claimed to block us directly yet? that's definitely also an option, but I'm still quite a few pages behind

if anything, your result just means katze is a roleblocker and not a redirector