The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:03 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:00 pm Nah jay town fam

Any feelings about falcon in this exchange?

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:04 pm**

not knowing SoA makes this worse tbh

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:05 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:58 pm This is the JJJ despair post.
I don't know why that's despair. That's a very subjective assessment, so I'll just ask a related but different question:

- Would it be wise for me, as a town member, to keep pummeling away at what I have been doing without reconsidering my approach with no dead mafia and only one mischop still available?

Just a quick question with regards to mischops and math. Have you been factoring in that nighkills are delayed? Does that matter at all in determining how many mistakes we’re allowed to make?

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:05 pm**

no protection on falcon here (since I just got burned on protecting falcon for no good reason) but I'd lean town there

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:05 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:04 pm not knowing SoA makes this worse tbh

Maybe it doesn't have to be this way.

@Son of Anarch would you be able to provide a link to a single past town game and past mafia game from other places you've played?

I rarely make this token request, but now it might actually help.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:06 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:00 pm Nah jay town fam
Any feelings about falcon in this exchange?

I see little strategic benefit in pushing you as a suspect at this moment, but I don’t think mafia falcon would require a strategic benefit beyond appearing town at this very moment.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:07 pm**

[VOTE: dolby] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:09 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:05 pm Just a quick question with regards to mischops and math. Have you been factoring in that nighkills are delayed? Does that matter at all in determining how many mistakes we’re allowed to make?

I have been treating the poisons as regular kills by the numbers. Let me consider that now though since you do represent an extra vote today.

11 vs. 4 to start

sig dead, Lime Coke dead, SPF dead

8 vs. 4 currently

If we miss today, plus Sloonei dead, we enter Night 3 at 6 vs. 4

Poison

Start Day 4 at 6 vs. 4 (traditionally Mimlo, but now Limlo because of the dying civilian).

I don't think we gain a day because of poison. I could be missing something.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:09 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:12 pm So clearly my solve was wrong. I did nothing in the night phase except distance myself from this game. This is my first 0 for 2 start in a while, and I am going to take that as a signal that I need to step back and re-engage this game in some manner other than what I have been doing. I am going to be less of a noisy butt, but I will still be here working through it and chatting.

I'm open to just about any theories out there. Sloonei being poisoned is kind of a bizarre gift that spares the game mass tinfoil and also maximizes his 48-hour utility for us.

I told you your solve was wrong based on the falcon/limecoke limecoke/Dolby interactions, but you promptly ignored me.

I will sheep anything you put out though because I have no clout.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:11 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:09 pm I told you your solve was wrong based on the falcon/limecoke limecoke/Dolby interactions, but you promptly ignored me.

I will sheep anything you put out though because I have no clout.

I responded directly to you and didn't ignore a thing. I did tell you that your view of "how things work" is wrong, as a holistic representation of how Mafia is played on this site when you disparage it for absolutely no reason.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:12 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:05 pm Just a quick question with regards to mischops and math. Have you been factoring in that nighkills are delayed? Does that matter at all in determining how many mistakes we’re allowed to make?
I have been treating the poisons as regular kills by the numbers. Let me consider that now though since you do represent an extra vote today.

11 vs. 4 to start

sig dead, Lime Coke dead, SPF dead

8 vs. 4 currently

If we miss today, plus Sloonei dead, we enter Night 3 at 6 vs. 4

Poison

Start Day 4 at 6 vs. 4 (traditionally Mimlo, but now Limlo because of the dying civilian).

I don't think we gain a day because of poison. I could be missing something.

we can sleep and go to 5v4

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:17 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:11 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:09 pm I told you your solve was wrong based on the falcon/limecoke limecoke/Dolby interactions, but you promptly ignored me.

I will sheep anything you put out though because I have no clout.
I responded directly to you and didn't ignore a thing. I did tell you that your view of "how things work" is wrong, as a holistic representation of how Mafia is played on this site when you disparage it for absolutely no reason.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:17 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:12 pm we can sleep and go to 5v4

That sounds right. I think. It'd be 5 vs. 4 with town already dying. Hit mafia and town dies, go to night phase 4 vs. 3. Later-rinse-repeat down to 2 vs. 1, only one player survives. I'm talking to myself.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:19 pm**

so like ok can we clear either of the d1 zero posters

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:19 pm**

I'm betting G is close to always a wolf here barring a spurt of life

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:19 pm**

Oh dolby also probably a wolf

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:20 pm**

I claimed fruit vendor in my second post for anyone who's interested in figuring out pr reading

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:20 pm**

No immediate protest to either of those assertions.

I think they've both sounded tone-town at points, but the standard is higher than that now.

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:20 pm**

oh third post

Posted: **Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:23 pm**

@NotAnAxehole is Marmot still high on your radar?

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:23 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:24 pm @Marmot how do you feel about the flood of confident town reads you have received in this game?

I probably deserve it, but it doesn't mean much til we flip wolves.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:28 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE

Where'd my name go?

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:28 am**

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
What are the chances this is 4 town?

I'd be curious to hear the solve that makes this group of 4 town.

Are you voicing a suspicion of falcon here?

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:37 am**

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:20 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:10 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
You say that you like “everyone” on this page, but only comment on 2 of the 4. Do tony and I have good traits?
Yep. Good vibes man, good vibes.
Can you articulate said vibes in a manner similar to what you did for Jay and spf?
Best way I can describe it is that Tony seems like a chump and his setup talk was somethin' I also was thinkin' about before the game and I just found your entrance kinda witty

I smell a jib here.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:41 am**

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:36 am Man this game ain't spicy enough. You all are being way too careful. So ya know what? I'm gonna toss out a spicy take here and get a temp check:

I think Lime Coke's entrance to the thread was relatively safe in a wolf-y way. Man's dropped a townread on Sloonei after Jimmy already said he thought Sloonei was town and then half his explanation, as that nice lass StayPosi pointed out, was about somethin' to do with what Sloonei did after he made the read.

Oh yeah and as far as TSP goes. Well, I think I might be pickin' up what Sloonei is puttin' down here. Originally I was thinking in my head that TSP agreeing and changing his mind was kinda villagery, but now after Sloonei revealed the meta was fake, I'm almost wonderin' if TSP changed his mind to not try to outright disagree with the meta, but discredit it in a way.

Anyways, that's all I got for now. I'm pretty tired and my eyes are drooping... I'll probably still be stalkin' the thread because I'm doing some raids, but won't bother writing more until the morning.

Quick take here. Lime Coke is town and TSP is the current claimed fruit vendor, and these are SoA's first tow voiced suspicions.

This suspicion of TSP is interesting given that SoA had previously claimed watcher per Tony's suggestion.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:48 am**

If SoA is scum, his Day 1 is incredibly well-orchestrated and hard to see as being anything but town, but here's another nitpick.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:36 pm Sloonei, that post got me thinkin' and now I'm kinda wonderin'... Are you sayin' you think this dialogue between me and sig could be town/town?

This post is interesting because he asks Sloonei, not if sig is town, but if he and sig are both town. Very specific choice of words here that I think is intentional.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:57 am**

I kinda want SoA to talk about someone other than falcon. As far as I can tell, that's his only scumread at this point.

The only other scumreads I can find this game are sig, Lime Coke, and Sloonei. And well, you know the rest.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:05 am**

It's Day 3 and I haven't made a readlist yet. It probably matches a lot of other people's tbh.

TSP
JJJ

Dizzy
ilario

NAA
Johanna

G-Man
falcon
Dolby
SoA

This solve doesn't feel amazing though for reasons that I can't put my finger on.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:11 am**

Actually I can put my finger on it I think. Everyone yellow and above has put consistent effort since the beginning of the game, where as everyone in the orange (exception of perhaps Dolby), has had noticeable gaps in activitiy.

My eyes are drooping, I'm off to bed and will try again tomorrer

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:19 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:08 pm Okay then

I think I dreamt that Jay was poisoned, so I came in thinking Jay was poisoned despite not having seen the thread yet, and only now do I realise it was a dream. Spoopy.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:21 am**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:13 pm Actually, I'll just reveal now. Spf was targeted by G-man AND Johanna (of course lol). So one of these are scum and one is the sleepwalker, I'm guessing

LMAO

Hardclaiming sleepwalker.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:22 am**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:13 pm Best Role Use vote currently in flux. Stay tuned folks. Drama will unfold soon.
Best role use should go to G-Man or Johanna for sleepwalking to my target

I'll take it!

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:33 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:19 pm Maybe there's somehow insight in the fact that mafia didn't believe Tony's claim. I dunno what insight that'd be, but here's a post.

Because Tony is mafia.

Where my mind went.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:38 pm I’m the watcher. Game is now mountainous.

Watched Dizzy N1. No one targeted him.

Was on TSP last night.

!!!!!!!

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:38 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:05 pm Anyone wanna claim sleepwalker?

Well I mean Dizzy convinced me... but turns out he was never the watcher so... I guess not?

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:05 am**

I think as stated yesterday, that JJJ and Sloonei are always the same alignment. Therefore, JJJ town.

Why is TSP alive is my biggest question. I'm not chopping an uncontested claim but still. I briefly voted G-Man after Dizzy's claim but I'm on No Vote as I try to sort out my thoughts.

I think in my first catch up post I already indicated SoA as a most likely wolf in the D1 towncore and D2 did not alleviate those suspicions so I am very happy to go there.

I always want to see more of Dolby, I stil feel like I haven't seen enough from him but I might need to bow to the consensus that he should be chopped.

I am very flip floppy on Falcon. He often feels performative but he also has many posts that ring honest.

I do not know G-Man.

I feel like J's PoE might contain up to three wolves rather than all four, but I really can't say who the fourth would be and who in the PoE would not be a wolf I think there's reasonable doubt on all of them to scum read them but also there is very little certainty.

Finally, I'm off

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:06 am**

Anyway, I'm voting [VOTE: SonofAnarch] aubergine for now.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:42 am**

Hmmmm I think gman is the most likely to be a hit fmpov

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:43 am**

And then afterwards I’d probably explore into falcon/Dolby

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:44 am**

A part of me would hate losing to NAA if he’s mafia, but I think he’s probably just town

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:32 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:48 pm @Dolby
@falcon45ca
@G-Man
@Johanna
@Son of Anarch

For those of you that is/are town-aligned, our ability to win this game is likely contingent upon your desire to win. I don't want this to sound like PRESSURE, and it's certainly not intended as hostile. You've all already done things to contribute. What I mean is that if there are mafia members outside this group, they've already established a foothold in this thread that is going to be extremely difficult to break without your intervention (specifically yours). I'm sure it's irritating to be continually stuck within a POE pool every time you click on the thread, but now is the best and perhaps last chance to turn that around. After two mischops to start the game, I think almost every member of the town faction is going to be open-minded to a new view of the game. I am absolutely listening to everything you have to say and will be stoked every time I see a new post pop up from each of you.

Some or all of you might find me suspicious. That's okay. It's a natural thing to expect under the circumstances. I will try my best to follow my own advice here and give you the best chance of finding my own innocence.

The fact that the current state of gamesolving here on The Syndicate requires an equation of X posts + Y interactions, I accept that I will never leave the POE, probably in any game. There are plenty of reasons that my content has been what it’s been this game (lackluster for the most part), but it’s an equation of (Thread Volume + New Faces) x RL^10. I realize that “RL is busy” is basically part of my meta now, which is sad that those who are familiar with me already know to lower their expectations of me until they can’t because POE, but that’s where we are. I’m not sharing my RL component until post-game because it’s external and doing so just sounds like a lame attempt at asking for sympathy and space. Because the game started at 11-4, there’s room for neither sympathy nor space after the D1 mischop.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:27 am**

There are 11 players in the game

1 is me

1 is dead

2 are PRs

1 has the most clout

2 are in a 50/50

That leaves, by my count 4 players with 3 mafia. The game seems straight forward from here. Not easy, but straight forward.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:28 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:44 am A part of me would hate losing to NAA if he’s mafia, but I think he’s probably just town

Based on what I just said, this gives Ilario 75% solve, the fact that he doesn't have it means he's mafia.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:29 am**

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:43 am And then afterwards I’d probably explore into falcon/Dolby

This post makes little sense given the above.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:30 am**

Oh no there are 12

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:30 am**

Still 3/5 better than 1/2, strategy remains the same with me and JJJ concensus town.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:37 am**

I'm taking Marmot as my town pick, so everyone else is required to do the same because there aren't enough votes to kill without me.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:13 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:28 am
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:44 am A part of me would hate losing to NAA if he’s mafia, but I think he’s probably just town
Based on what I just said, this gives Ilario 75% solve, the fact that he doesn't have it means he's mafia.

What do you think of the potential for ilario and Dyslexicon to both be mafia?

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:43 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE

Where'd my name go?

It's right beside your profile pic

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:57 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:58 pm This is the JJJ despair post.
I don't know why that's despair. That's a very subjective assessment, so I'll just ask a related but different question:

- Would it be wise for me, as a town member, to keep pummeling away at what I have been doing without reconsidering my approach with no dead mafia and only one mischop still available?

There's some interesting language here...you pummeling away, the wording there makes it sound as tho it's fatiguing for you, defeating.

You've had quite a bit of success playing Maf, you're a very talented player. Tell me, do you throw out your playbook cuz' of 2 mislynches?

This post is also subtly seeded with the despair I mentioned, and it's antithetical to your town play IMO

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:23 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:13 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:28 am
ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:44 am A part of me would hate losing to NAA if he’s mafia, but I think he’s probably just town
Based on what I just said, this gives Ilario 75% solve, the fact that he doesn't have it means he's mafia.
What do you think of the potential for ilario and Dyslexicon to both be mafia?

I'm going to be afk most of the day, feel free to self-resolve any questions you might have via my vote.

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