Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Colin said needed to be targetted twice to learn who it was fromDeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:22 pmHereColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:12 pm This role also will reveal the alignment to a person if they target the same person twice. Does that sound like a possible scum role?
oh gosh I hope notWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:23 pm ...are we sure that there's no delayer in the game? Like a role that can choose to delay someone's action resolution for a phase or two?
Tbh the specifics of Val's role as they're explaining it seem like they could go either wayColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:23 pmIt's either a town(ish) role meant to help deter people who are on your case, or a scum role that you have to be careful to spread around
See I was honestly going to say this made sense as a townie move, because at least you're voteblocking a known anti-town faction, but this is just dumb.
This is so nonsensical that it makes my brain hurt
Wait but didn't the D2 actions go through on N2 instead?DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:24 pmColin said needed to be targetted twice to learn who it was fromDeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:22 pmHereColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:12 pm This role also will reveal the alignment to a person if they target the same person twice. Does that sound like a possible scum role?
Valentine says its based on votes happened day before
No one voted d2 so valentine cant use action d2.
Well, then if I choose to believe you, it would mean I definitely didn't see Valentine's action.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:27 pm Valentine isn't lying about their role being day actions unless the info I received is wrong/incomplete
why would mafia ... deny confirming a townie who at that point of the game could be eliminated?IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:26 pmSee I was honestly going to say this made sense as a townie move, because at least you're voteblocking a known anti-town faction, but this is just dumb.
Even supposing that your logic made sense to start with, why would scum lie and say you didn't message them? Even if they got you lynched that just gets them killed in response the next day. The scum response would be to confirm your role and then NK you.
I am exceptionally trustworthyValentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:28 pmwhy would mafia ... deny confirming a townie who at that point of the game could be eliminated?IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:26 pmSee I was honestly going to say this made sense as a townie move, because at least you're voteblocking a known anti-town faction, but this is just dumb.
Even supposing that your logic made sense to start with, why would scum lie and say you didn't message them? Even if they got you lynched that just gets them killed in response the next day. The scum response would be to confirm your role and then NK you.
that's how i think about it
fmpov if a 3p outs there is some attempt to be honest with the town and i don't think the risk factor of plopping it on colin is enough to be like "ahhh trust iba"
I think it has to show in the vote count due to limitations of forum tech but it did not count as a vote. I learned Valentine's role at the end of night 1 as a result.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:29 pm Colin, when your vote got cancelled, did it still show in the vote count? Or how did that work?
i didn't rlly get that from you >.>IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:30 pmI am exceptionally trustworthyValentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:28 pmwhy would mafia ... deny confirming a townie who at that point of the game could be eliminated?IBA wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:26 pmSee I was honestly going to say this made sense as a townie move, because at least you're voteblocking a known anti-town faction, but this is just dumb.
Even supposing that your logic made sense to start with, why would scum lie and say you didn't message them? Even if they got you lynched that just gets them killed in response the next day. The scum response would be to confirm your role and then NK you.
that's how i think about it
fmpov if a 3p outs there is some attempt to be honest with the town and i don't think the risk factor of plopping it on colin is enough to be like "ahhh trust iba"
Cry
And if scum got info that you were town, from your POV, why exactly is that bad?Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:31 pm the options i have were "person who i don't really think is towny" or "3p who is outting info and would probably out my stuff in some effort to communicate with town" in confirming my alignment i genuinely don't see why this is like. hard logic to follow on my choice
Yes which is why I think Poussin is a good scum candidate except that he's commuted out apparentlyDeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:32 pmCry
Anywho just went back and checked guillos alignment they aee king scum
Godfather + spam vig
For sabi to be scum they decide that guillos role is invalidated early and that sabi busses guillo from start. Guillo looked like he was trying to survive tbh. I doubt this happened. Its also guillo
So bus, if happened, happened later in day when it looked inevitable
Mmhmm
because wolves can deny it or say "oh this or that" and have more incentive to deny it potentially than i thought colin didWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:33 pmAnd if scum got info that you were town, from your POV, why exactly is that bad?Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:31 pm the options i have were "person who i don't really think is towny" or "3p who is outting info and would probably out my stuff in some effort to communicate with town" in confirming my alignment i genuinely don't see why this is like. hard logic to follow on my choice
If they hide it, you out them
It doesn't give them extra info unless you're not telling us something. It tells them you're town, and they already know you're not scum. Like what else would they think you are, a 3p?
Lol sorry dudeInawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:35 pm Am I shadowbanned? Hello, can people see my posts? I have questions that I'm looking for answers on!
Yeah but a wolf lying about it would just pull a 1f1 if anything, like maybe you'd die but then one of them would also die immediately after which is not so great for them.Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:34 pmbecause wolves can deny it or say "oh this or that" and have more incentive to deny it potentially than i thought colin didWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:33 pmAnd if scum got info that you were town, from your POV, why exactly is that bad?Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:31 pm the options i have were "person who i don't really think is towny" or "3p who is outting info and would probably out my stuff in some effort to communicate with town" in confirming my alignment i genuinely don't see why this is like. hard logic to follow on my choice
If they hide it, you out them
It doesn't give them extra info unless you're not telling us something. It tells them you're town, and they already know you're not scum. Like what else would they think you are, a 3p?
i don't really think he has any stake in lying about it in the way a wolf could
DeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:35 pmLol sorry dudeInawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:35 pm Am I shadowbanned? Hello, can people see my posts? I have questions that I'm looking for answers on!
What ya saying
i don't see it like that because i've seen wolves get out of stuff they shouldn't because people are reticent when they lie like "oh i just didn't get it please!" and then throw in some emotions like frustration or being sadWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:36 pmYeah but a wolf lying about it would just pull a 1f1 if anything, like maybe you'd die but then one of them would also die immediately after which is not so great for them.Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:34 pmbecause wolves can deny it or say "oh this or that" and have more incentive to deny it potentially than i thought colin didWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:33 pmAnd if scum got info that you were town, from your POV, why exactly is that bad?Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:31 pm the options i have were "person who i don't really think is towny" or "3p who is outting info and would probably out my stuff in some effort to communicate with town" in confirming my alignment i genuinely don't see why this is like. hard logic to follow on my choice
If they hide it, you out them
It doesn't give them extra info unless you're not telling us something. It tells them you're town, and they already know you're not scum. Like what else would they think you are, a 3p?
i don't really think he has any stake in lying about it in the way a wolf could
Idk the answer to thisInawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:32 pm When did Chelsea vote for Guillo? I don't see a vote on him anywhere in her ISO, but she was voting for him at EoD in the poll
no
No but I will say that I also have a vote fuckery role, the details of which I will not elaborate at this time, and having 3 such roles seems... idk I guess it's not impossible but. I'm having a hard time believing Val's claim.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:31 pm Soooooo... I take it nobody else wants to claim vote canceller?
Idk about you but I'd totally vote someone out if they did that lolValentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:38 pmi don't see it like that because i've seen wolves get out of stuff they shouldn't because people are reticent when they lie like "oh i just didn't get it please!" and then throw in some emotions like frustration or being sadWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:36 pmYeah but a wolf lying about it would just pull a 1f1 if anything, like maybe you'd die but then one of them would also die immediately after which is not so great for them.Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:34 pmbecause wolves can deny it or say "oh this or that" and have more incentive to deny it potentially than i thought colin didWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:33 pmAnd if scum got info that you were town, from your POV, why exactly is that bad?Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:31 pm the options i have were "person who i don't really think is towny" or "3p who is outting info and would probably out my stuff in some effort to communicate with town" in confirming my alignment i genuinely don't see why this is like. hard logic to follow on my choice
If they hide it, you out them
It doesn't give them extra info unless you're not telling us something. It tells them you're town, and they already know you're not scum. Like what else would they think you are, a 3p?
i don't really think he has any stake in lying about it in the way a wolf could
i don't see it in her isoInawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:37 pmDeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:35 pmLol sorry dudeInawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:35 pm Am I shadowbanned? Hello, can people see my posts? I have questions that I'm looking for answers on!
What ya saying
sigh
something about Chelsea's ISO feels off re: her interactions with Guillo and I can't find anywhere in her ISO where she actually threw down a vote on him to check if it's unfounded or not, but she was voting on him in the poll at EoD. Do votes just not show up in the ISO for some reason?
Guillo dipped voting for chelseaInawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:37 pmDeeZees wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:35 pmLol sorry dudeInawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:35 pm Am I shadowbanned? Hello, can people see my posts? I have questions that I'm looking for answers on!
What ya saying
sigh
something about Chelsea's ISO feels off re: her interactions with Guillo and I can't find anywhere in her ISO where she actually threw down a vote on him to check if it's unfounded or not, but she was voting on him in the poll at EoD. Do votes just not show up in the ISO for some reason?
i have seen some very .... interesting choices before in the past that make me wary to trust people to do the correct thing honestly even when something overtly wolfy is presented to themWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:39 pmIdk about you but I'd totally vote someone out if they did that lolValentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:38 pmi don't see it like that because i've seen wolves get out of stuff they shouldn't because people are reticent when they lie like "oh i just didn't get it please!" and then throw in some emotions like frustration or being sadWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:36 pmYeah but a wolf lying about it would just pull a 1f1 if anything, like maybe you'd die but then one of them would also die immediately after which is not so great for them.Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:34 pmbecause wolves can deny it or say "oh this or that" and have more incentive to deny it potentially than i thought colin didWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:33 pmAnd if scum got info that you were town, from your POV, why exactly is that bad?Valentine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:31 pm the options i have were "person who i don't really think is towny" or "3p who is outting info and would probably out my stuff in some effort to communicate with town" in confirming my alignment i genuinely don't see why this is like. hard logic to follow on my choice
If they hide it, you out them
It doesn't give them extra info unless you're not telling us something. It tells them you're town, and they already know you're not scum. Like what else would they think you are, a 3p?
i don't really think he has any stake in lying about it in the way a wolf could