Re: notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [day 3]
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:13 am
can u unvote, so he's 3 from hammer lol
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can u unvote, so he's 3 from hammer lol
nvm this is townCape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:54 amsmh im literally town this game. the mafia are in syn/pyxxy/falcon/seanzie/lucy... if you aren't mafia of courseJaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:26 pmyeah im not very quick to get going on a site im new on with a playerbase which plays different than what I'm used to
also the font is smaller. that changes everything
my crystal ball doesn't like cape90 very much but im considering that being because ive met them before
i do however find it very funny that people call me my full name. i was gonna be called NEO降順VIRTUASOFTフラックス17, which i have no idea what means. im pretty sure i just discovered that names didnt have to be just english characters and numbers. itd be fun to see everyone call me that in its entirety
shockingly the account never got activated. wonder why
I don't have a good POE to be honest
you are. which is fine
Hmmm maybe I was just tired.Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:39 amWhy isnt it possible
To this D2:Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:16 pmCan we chop this plz? tnx.
without much explanation for why.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 amSyn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 amSyn and Lucy are likely dif check still.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.
Cheers
This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.
I'd sort between those two and go from there.
Hmmmmmmmmm okay.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pmRight now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:54 amkk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 amSyn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 amSyn and Lucy are likely dif check still.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.
Cheers
This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.
I'd sort between those two and go from there.
You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.
i've been voting seanzie. i've just been unvoting when other people stack on to avoid a hammer
Okay, thank you. I'm going to be busy today and I want to vote Seanzie at this point, so I'll continue to trust that you'll help us get the most out of today
the reason he made the switch is because i made all indications that I would tunnel lucy into the core of the earth and blindly sheep rondo's reads list (since someone or multiple people said I just copied his reads list as my own)pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:32 pm
Hmmm maybe I was just tired.
My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.
But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?
Sean goes from this D1:
To this D2:
Hmmmmmmmmm okay.
I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?
My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.
Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.
Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.
That's why my vote is on Seanzie.
But you don't feel like this fact clears you?Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:38 pmthe reason he made the switch is because i made all indications that I would tunnel lucy into the core of the earth and blindly sheep rondo's reads list (since someone or multiple people said I just copied his reads list as my own)pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:32 pm
Hmmm maybe I was just tired.
My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.
But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?
Sean goes from this D1:
To this D2:
Hmmmmmmmmm okay.
I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?
My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.
Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.
Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.
That's why my vote is on Seanzie.
it is good for the wolf win condition to keep a townie like that around
That cherrypicked D1 post was a gut reaction read - "Syn is being unhelpful so I want to chop this" those sorts of reads feel good in the moment, but the feeling faded rather quickly (being uncooperative is something that feels scummy, but town and scum both do it). Syn/Lucy felt very t/t butting heads, which is a stronger read, but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today, and I had a hard time seeing a doc!Neon world since Neon didn't make a target clear in her posts, but that was because I hadn't connected the dots that there was a hammer so doc!Neon might have though she could have softed a target later.pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:32 pmHmmm maybe I was just tired.Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:39 amWhy isnt it possible
My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.
But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?
Sean goes from this D1:To this D2:without much explanation for why.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 amSyn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 amSyn and Lucy are likely dif check still.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.
Cheers
This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.
I'd sort between those two and go from there.
Another cherrypicked quote:Hmmmmmmmmm okay.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pmRight now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:54 amkk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 amSyn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 amSyn and Lucy are likely dif check still.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.
Cheers
This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.
I'd sort between those two and go from there.
You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.
I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?
My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.
Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.
Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.
That's why my vote is on Seanzie.
Reasonable and solid explanation. I saw the Neon hammer so no soft stuff too.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:00 pm That cherrypicked D1 post was a gut reaction read - "Syn is being unhelpful so I want to chop this" those sorts of reads feel good in the moment, but the feeling faded rather quickly (being uncooperative is something that feels scummy, but town and scum both do it). Syn/Lucy felt very t/t butting heads, which is a stronger read, but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today, and I had a hard time seeing a doc!Neon world since Neon didn't make a target clear in her posts, but that was because I hadn't connected the dots that there was a hammer so doc!Neon might have though she could have softed a target later.
Usually im left alive until end game so a resounding no is the answer to your question.pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:22 amNice, glad you're observing the same thing as me.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:04 amI have found me not being wagoned odd as well just because yall like misvoting me and that hasn't even had a hint of happening this game. On one hand it's kind of refreshing. On the other I feel like my reads have been really bad this game lmao.pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm I have some tinfoil spots on Cape that I wanted to mold into a cohesive case but I desperately need to eat dinner. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that in all my other games with Cape, they were a D1 wagon (for very weak reasons in hindsight). In this game, Cape has _never_ been a wagon. That seems...odd? Why would scum not even bothering pushing what historically seems like a solid D1 miskill? D2....well D2 is a fucking mess.
In GOC, there was town legit pushing for my demise and then mafia hopped on. I had good reads that game though (at least in terms of pushes towards EOD). This game? Not so much.
Day 2 was fine for me minus the early hammer.
Are there any players in your POE that you think would purposely leave you alive e.g. because they're not afraid of your town game?
Lucy had to pretend like she cares about someone else getting hammered
yeah i'll trypyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:28 amThis is sticking with me, like, I didn't mean to come off as threatening, but you clearly thinking I'm threatening or positioning to push your wagon.Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:51 pm oh no you've pulled the master method of putting things in quotes that I won't read but then i can't argue with your point or scumread you
cape not being wagoned is kind of interesting ig but i don't think it means much given people being more open to townreading cape and there'd prooobably be some bussing if he was a wolf like non-commitall but still
I'll make it clearer. Your lack of any scumreads is scummy, but I think you're town. You play how I do in some respects; you can be fairly hedgey and uncomfortable when the game isn't revealing itself to you.
Give me your weakest takes! Give me anything! Open with 10 million caveats about how you aren't sure, you don't know, you might be wrong. That's totally fine. But you need to commit to the possibility of being wrong, or you're just going to end up DK'd in mylo or kilo.
hmpyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:21 amIt's better to measure twice and cut once.Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:52 pmbtw pyxxy i you're reading thisSyn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:25 pmsyn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.
If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.
If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?![]()
Uhpyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:23 amBetter question!Sheep wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:03 amidk how to explain thisSheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:59 pmI mean yeahSyn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:57 pmgenerally speaking it is very cool to chop people you think are wolfSheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:46 pmoh noSyn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:26 pmhello sheep i would like to inform you that this reads list leaves a POE of sheep, cape, and pyxxySheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:54 pm
like
jaiden's not getting voted today because just subbed in (unless they start openwolving)
falcon's not getting voted today because this isn't the time in-game to hang somebody of that postcount
my wagon best obv
the other 3 I'd say like lucy>syn>seanzie in order of towniness but i don't wolfread any of 'em so that's kinda a problem this might fix unless you guys CFD jaiden underwood and hammer
(tbh idk why you associate "not getting voted today" with me not thinking they're a wolf)
in thos specific cases it was more of a thread read tbh
but also I feel like there's sometimes a diference between the two in general idk how to describe it
and not just because i don't have a lot of wolfreads
but like while votes can go with a wolfread you can still wolread somebody who you're not voting, or vote somebody who you're not wolfreading ig
I mean idk how to explain this to myself so i doubt i'll convey it to ya'll
Do you feel like you normally have lots of wolf reads as town? Or is the fact that you keep noting this mean that you find it unusual for yourself?
Related, do you play a lot of low power or mountainous games, or more role madness/lots of PR games?
it's a warning i guess
I thought that people might have been misclearing cape
Odd. Mostly because you are on that unvote button right now. I felt like the comments toward pyxxy's large post potentially making Sheep able to townread them was a weird/lazy/forced post (i cannot find this post that i have in my head, i saw this in real time).
lack of TMIPorscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:13 pmI think that's a good point. But maybe wolves wanted his strong presence gone? He was kind of the backbone to the threadstate lol. I dont recall off the top of my head if pyxxy was in his list of people to vote off to win (I think rondo said pyxxy's eod 1 was clearing? I dont know how tho), but sean was in that list. (And before sean says "YoU wErE iN tHe LiSt ToO", I know)
Town (i know slightly scuffed and rushed).Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:35 am PLEASE OPEN THE SPOILER TO SEE MY COMMENTS ABOUT EVERY POST FROM PYXXY IN THIS LIST
>Fights to ensure capes acknowledgement of Sean and pyxxy going onto bereft gets looked away from and let it rest on "whew yeah maybe neon is wolfing" which kinda just tmi'd wilgy town with the flips we have
I just compared the middle/end of that game to this game, even with the "stepping out of their scum comfort zone" in mind. They do have some odd jumps in logic like they have here, I still don't see too much the similarities beyond that, I still think Sheep was harder to read that game compared to here. So the answer is no. You have experience with scum sheep you would like to share?pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:36 amskimmed sheep's iso and your iso from that gameCape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:17 am In terms of Sheep, I always feel like they are a very straightforward read
when they are towny, they are town
when they are wolfy they are wolf
Sheep has given me town vibes all the way this game and it is of my opinion that they are really not that hard of a read once you know them
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135
Here im bad at explaining things. I feel like w!sheep here has relied on easy talking pieces and actually wasn't all that towny this game. Also they are harder to read the process of here then this game lol
It seems like sheep had to step up way out of their scum comfort zone in that game because of a newbie teammate outing on D1? Did I skim that correctly?
If so, does that change how you view sheep in this game at all?
This seems to be said with an already established mindset in mind when this isn't even in the middle of the post, it's one of the first points pyxxy makes. So in other wordsSo really just tutuu and Cape. I haven't really fleshed out this though, but if I had to suspect 1 of them, it would be Cape. I'll elaborate on this later.
I somewhat find the note on Neon to be a bit scummy. but eh okay.Because my read on lucy feels very WIFOM.
D1 scum lucy would have been some version of caught for the wrong reasons, which I could imagine being a factor in her decision to AtE as a defense. lucy has kept up the massive posting numbers and continues to lead the thread by a wide margin. I trust Neon to find town lucy amidst the AtE, but then Neon seems to stuck in the exact same mental spot as me:
I don't really get townpings from the rest of the post and the conclusions that are drawn from catching up, which feel relatively safe to me.Neon _does_ make no sense as the maf kill. Flips a D1 wagon that people didn't clear or town core D2. Does scum lucy just hand town this information after town managed to fucking _hammer_ Wilgy? I say no. The tinfoil stops here for me on lucy. Galaxy brain logic is never real. Town core lucy and if she's scum, well played. Or not. Idk. Town lucy.