The Syndicate

Well, lots of people on Earth don't speak English

And no insult intended.

Anyone who was in Misfits should have known that Made could not be more obviously town. So I'm looking at the people who were in Misfits yet voted for him all the same, and of course SVS and Canucklehead.

Right, becasue the incredibly enthusiastic teenager playing his first game will never change his game, will never learn, or do anything differently.

I am a tad annoyed at Made, tbh. He had to have known he had another life depending on him, even if he did not know who it was, as he claimed. Making such a spectacle of himself under those circumstances, when he had to have known another civvie would die for him, did not strike me as the civviest thing to do. That is part of the reason I thought the Lovers thing was bullshit.

S~V~S wrote:Right, becasue the incredibly enthusiastic teenager playing his first game will never change his game, will never learn, or do anything differently.

I am a tad annoyed at Made, tbh. He had to have known he had another life depending on him, even if he did not know who it was, as he claimed. Making such a spectacle of himself under those circumstances, when he had to have known another civvie would die for him, did not strike me as the civviest thing to do. That is part of the reason I thought the Lovers thing was bullshit.

for me, it was his flat out refusal that that was what was going on. Hedging could have been done. Deying it took away my reason for thinking he was a civ.

I can't believe that even if a person and matt didn't know which *players* held the roles of concorde and lancelot, that the *role* description would have still told them that one died in the other's place.

My favorite color is green.

This game is breaking my brain. I coulda sworn we had mislynched Lancelot earlier in the game.

Linki Bea - Did you mean "A Person and Matt" or "A Person/Matt"?

If I think someone is going to die for me, i play a much more cautious game. When I have teammates, I play a much more cautious game. If I think the crazy crap i do has an effect on people other than myself, I throttle back on the crazy crap. I just checked, and his role is not up yet. I look forward to seeing it, to see if he did actually know A Person was going to die for him.

Wow, I did not really expect that result either and probably would have voted Made. I need to do some serious catch-up to see where my thoughts lie for the next day.

S~V~S wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Why ugh?

^ That's why.

So drama. And you tried so hard to prevent it, didn't you?

You're right - I should've tried harder when I saw what was happening. I'm actually more frustrated with myself than anything

And since we're saying favorite colors, mine is also green! Specifically, a more turquoise-y green.

But I believe I will go with "what is your name?" since, well, I apparently have many names here :P

So my favorite color or favourite colour is blue, specifically a purpleish blue. My second favorite color is purple.

juliets wrote:So my favorite color or favourite colour is blue, specifically a purpleish blue. My second favorite color is purple.

Indigo?

None taken, S~V~S!

I forgot to mention that my favorite color is red.

Mongoose wrote:My favorite color is green.

This game is breaking my brain. I coulda sworn we had mislynched Lancelot earlier in the game.

Linki Bea - Did you mean "A Person and Matt" or "A Person/Matt"?

goosey - I ment A Person and Made.

I can't see how if they were lover's (One of them dies in the place of the other) they both wouldn't have *at least* been told that this exists

I can't see a pm about the role to either of them that doesn't say something like:

You are concorde -you are lancelot's most trusted squire as such, if he is targeted to die, you die in his place.
and a pm that at *least* says "you are lancelot. Concorde is your trusted squire. If you are targeted to die in a NK or Lynch, Concorde dies for you."


Apparently my penchant for using A person's real name had leeked into my typo. sorry.

My favorite color is Blue. Specifically TARDIS Blue. Speaking of TARDIS blue....there's this coool game in sign ups right now....{/ot} but really - it is my favorite color. It was my Gram's favorite color and it always reminds me of her.

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I still think he was bad and nothing will convince me otherwise.

So you're in S~V~S' camp, and believe he was some Seemed type... How do you feel about her now?

Oh she is a Baddie McBadderson all right.

Agreed.

I would also agree with this notion.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I still think he was bad and nothing will convince me otherwise.

So you're in S~V~S' camp, and believe he was some Seemed type... How do you feel about her now?

Oh she is a Baddie McBadderson all right.

Agreed.

I would also agree with this notion.

Ok - I'm confused by llama refusing to believe that Made was civ, but agreeing svs is bad because he's not a seemer. WTF am I missing?

Also - are none of you concerned that GOD has said he'd rather hear about people's thoughts on other players?

I'm not at all convinced svs is baddie mc badderson. I get why LC origninally suspected her, but I've always thought that was civ on civ.

Who else besides SVS would you look at LC, llama, and teefies?

Bea, my next suspicion after SVS is Long Con because of this post.

After that, I had a ping on Dana, but looking back at her posts, I can't remember why. I also find Canucklehead suspicious, and I feel like I haven't seen her around in a while.

I just realized, looking at the player list, that I don't have very strong reads on almost anyone else, so I will do some vote analysis and rereading tomorrow to see if anything sticks out to me.

Would GOD offer such a strong alignment hint if he actually had info? Or is he just guessing? I can't decide which is more likely.

I'm inclined to think that after the whole Made debacle that GOD might be a lot more clear on his thoughts in this lynch. Especially if he sees another civ going down, but I could be wrong.

This is of course supposing that God is an actual role in the game (which I think it is) that allows a player to talk directly to the thread. Sorta like Roger's role but it doesn't have to go through the host.

While I'm mentioning things I'm thinking about roles, it's pretty much a given that Arther is a role. He's king of the britons afterall. I would like to maybe suggest that his loyal squire Patsy may also be a role. IDK if they too would have a lover's relationship, but I would bet they do have *some sort* of relationship.

I've been hesitant to come out too much about speculation for a) hostess wrath which I know about first hand having co-hosted with her. and b) because I don't want to target paint, but I feel like some speculation has to happen so we're not shooting fish in a barrel - ya know?

Looking back at the player list, I still agree with JC's end of the lynch points about boogsy and sawyer/reywas. I'd like to hear a lot more from both of them.

IDK what to make of Keter. Info during the MR lynch? Weird use of force vote? But this time for sure we were all wrong about made?
IDK what to make of blooper either.

thellama73 wrote:Bea, my next suspicion after SVS is Long Con because of this post.

After that, I had a ping on Dana, but looking back at her posts, I can't remember why. I also find Canucklehead suspicious, and I feel like I haven't seen her around in a while.

I just realized, looking at the player list, that I don't have very strong reads on almost anyone else, so I will do some vote analysis and rereading tomorrow to see if anything sticks out to me.

Would GOD offer such a strong alignment hint if he actually had info? Or is he just guessing? I can't decide which is more likely.

Is S~V~S God? Is God likely to be a Civvie role?

Am I allowed to ask questions like that? Hosts, can you clarify? Everyone is afraid to talk about roles at all, and I'm sure you don't want to stifle important game conversation and such... Right?

Llama, can you go over again why asking you your opinion on the lynch is suspicious?

bea wrote:for me, it was his flat out refusal that that was what was going on. Hedging could have been done. Deying it took away my reason for thinking he was a civ.

When did he actually deny it? I remember him answering "yes" to that question about if he knew how he was saved the first time I was supposed to get lynched. And then after when someone asked for clarification he said he's not certain but he thinks so, which I assume was him trying to keep Roxy/DP off his back. I don't remember him ever outright saying the lovers theory was false.

The first time he* was supposed to get lynched

Also, I'm voting "What is your name?" because that's usually the first question you ask someone!

Rip Made :/ I'm really surprised you turned up Civ. I'm not sure who I want to vote for tomorrow, since Enrique and Made were my suspects and only one turned up Baddie.

Blurgh @ lynch result. And kind of wondering seemer. But we can't know that. But let's move on.

My favorite color is either teal or periwinkle blue--maybe wedgewood blue.

S~V~S wrote:

LoRab wrote:Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Also:

Yes, they were quite evil and horrible as religious zealots usually are, imo.

Yes. But Mel Brooks makes it funny.

Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.

Agreed, and there was so much doubt surrounding the whole situation, we couldn't just let him go. Feels off that you'd say you "believed" me... I didn't know anything, it just seemed like it was still a good possibility. What are your next moves here... Suspicions?

Dana wrote:

bea wrote:for me, it was his flat out refusal that that was what was going on. Hedging could have been done. Deying it took away my reason for thinking he was a civ.

When did he actually deny it? I remember him answering "yes" to that question about if he knew how he was saved the first time I was supposed to get lynched. And then after when someone asked for clarification he said he's not certain but he thinks so, which I assume was him trying to keep Roxy/DP off his back. I don't remember him ever outright saying the lovers theory was false.

his saying he knew how he survived but not understanding how we could think he was lancelot even after everything was spelt out to me felt like denial to me. And took away the biggest reason I was believing he was civ.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.

You're my next suspicion, so...

bea wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I still think he was bad and nothing will convince me otherwise.

So you're in S~V~S' camp, and believe he was some Seemed type... How do you feel about her now?

Oh she is a Baddie McBadderson all right.

Agreed.

I would also agree with this notion.

Ok - I'm confused by llama refusing to believe that Made was civ, but agreeing svs is bad because he's not a seemer. WTF am I missing?

Also - are none of you concerned that GOD has said he'd rather hear about people's thoughts on other players?

I'm not at all convinced svs is baddie mc badderson. I get why LC origninally suspected her, but I've always thought that was civ on civ.

Who else besides SVS would you look at LC, llama, and teefies?

Llama just wants me lynched. He even said that while it wasn't fair, regardless of Mades outcome, he thought i was bad. What confuses me is that Boogs was so sure I was bad, now I am not even on his list? He even voted for me when he was silenced

Boogs wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Enrique wrote:Try being a little more condescending just so you look like even more of an ass at endgame.

Okay, I will.

Listen up, people.

Made is bad.
SVS is bad.
Made is on SVS' team.
SVS is on Made's team.
SVS and Made are on the same team, a team of baddies.

Remember the first time we voted to lynch Made? SVS was all over him like white on rice. Why? Because they had a lynch switch in their back pocket ready to use. AP killed, lynch switch gone. Where did SVS' suspicions of Made go? Poof! Vanished. Now she desperately doesn't want to lynch him. Why? The reason she gives is that we won't learn anything from him if he flips civ. As opposed to who? Did we learn a lot from MR flipping civ? Two seconds thought reveals that it's a nonsensical reason not to lynch somebody.

And no one seems to remember that Made's case on MR was specifically cooked up to save his own skin. He asked what he could do to avoid being lynched, I said make a case on someone else, so he cooked one up out of thin air. He never believed in it. He just didn't want to die. Of all the suspicious people in this thread, THAT's the case you fell for? Really? Use your heads.

^This =100% I agree. I wanted to mention SVS changing and defending Made yesterday but I didn't want them to draw attention to me but I need to say I agree with Llama 100%. I've trusted him since the beginning when he found Made in a lie, and I trust his judgment here also.

Boogs wrote:Rip Made :/ I'm really surprised you turned up Civ. I'm not sure who I want to vote for tomorrow, since Enrique and Made were my suspects and only one turned up Baddie.

BTW, I would love to hear Llamas condescending commentary on that post. Why exactly am I bad now?

And re admitting directly about Lancelot, it is possible Made thought the hosts would not allow it, or perhaps he even PMed the hosts to check on what they would allow. For me it was more the whole not trying to protect Concorde by playing a more conservative game thing that led me to not believe it was not true. I went back and did some rereading of Made last night, and it does seem to me that his game became somewhat more conservative after AP died.

I also think LC just wants me lynched. And I am not going to answer that question, LC, and am surprised you asked it. Perhaps the LORB is just a smart guy without a baddie agenda. Perhaps he saw which way the wind was blowing, and decided to step in with some good advice. Becasue it is a very large, luridly colored, big pitchfork waving weather kind of wind thats blowing already. And I knew it would be. I knew that no matter how I turned up, LC & Llama would come gunning for me.

As for BWT, I don't see bad BWT in this game.

EBWOP:

I knew that no matter how Made turned up, LC & Llama would come gunning for me.

(I knew something was wrong with that sentence, it kept chewing at me. took a while to figure out)

Long Con wrote: Llama, can you go over again why asking you your opinion on the lynch is suspicious?

Certainly, my dear fellow.

Asking "who do you think will be lynched" as opposed to "who do you think ought to be lynched" seems suspicious to me, because the only motive I can see behind such a question is trying to plan where to put your vote so it doesn't look suspicious. Initially, I thought it was about throwing Made under the bus. That no longer appears to be the case, but it still smells fishy to me.

SVS how confident are you that LC is bad? I have to admit, I am very loath to go against the orders of GOD. If you are confident he is bad, I would be willing to vote for him tomorrow instead and give you a little more time.

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote: Llama, can you go over again why asking you your opinion on the lynch is suspicious?

Certainly, my dear fellow.

Asking "who do you think will be lynched" as opposed to "who do you think ought to be lynched" seems suspicious to me, because the only motive I can see behind such a question is trying to plan where to put your vote so it doesn't look suspicious. Initially, I thought it was about throwing Made under the bus. That no longer appears to be the case, but it still smells fishy to me.

llama I have not looked at your posts yet but I'm hoping you might just tell me if there is any other evidence of Long Con's baddieness than this post. If Long Con did what you say he did regarding that quote it was clumsy and I'm not used to LC being clumsy. Neither of you is on my baddie list at the moment but maybe I'm blinded.

RIP Made.

I feel like SVS is "giving up" because she is trying to guilt trip players. It's actually working quite well because I already feel very bad ;(
Her comment that she still thinks there are two baddie teams leads me to believe when lynched she might come back as bad, but she wants us to know there is another team so her thoughts have been genuine in that she was trying to find the other team as well.

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Bea, my next suspicion after SVS is Long Con because of this post.

After that, I had a ping on Dana, but looking back at her posts, I can't remember why. I also find Canucklehead suspicious, and I feel like I haven't seen her around in a while.

I just realized, looking at the player list, that I don't have very strong reads on almost anyone else, so I will do some vote analysis and rereading tomorrow to see if anything sticks out to me.

Would GOD offer such a strong alignment hint if he actually had info? Or is he just guessing? I can't decide which is more likely.

Is S~V~S God? Is God likely to be a Civvie role?

Am I allowed to ask questions like that? Hosts, can you clarify? Everyone is afraid to talk about roles at all, and I'm sure you don't want to stifle important game conversation and such... Right?

Llama, can you go over again why asking you your opinion on the lynch is suspicious?

IMO God is most likely a non player with no info. LC, I believe I remember that Rox asked you to be one of these non players at least once. (Jimi Hendrix in Beatles) We had 3 non player accounts of this sort in Pirates.
But it is possible they do know who everyone is. If that is the case they would be allowed to make speculations, but some would be misleading. In Rolling Stones mafia on this site, Rox gave me an account that I was allowed to post under. I was also allowed in the the baddie chat and got some civvie btsc as well. My job there was mostly to help along conversation.

(the account for Rolling Stones was Mr. D. llama and hedgeowl might remember that account being in the baddie chat some.)

The title of the poll says you must answer me these questions three. So do we need to answer all of them? I will anyways
my name is mandi. My favorite color is purple. (particularly a nice light shade. like lilacs) Rox already knows both these things. So I will vote for the quest. Today my quest is to make it to Buffalo. I need to be fingerprinted, get a iris scan, and find the Anchor Bar (Home of the buffalo chicken wing)

fingersplints wrote: I feel like SVS is "giving up" because she is trying to guilt trip players. It's actually working quite well because I already feel very bad ;(

I feel really bad too, and I'm worried it's clouding my judgment. If there are two teams, though, and if SVS is on one of them, she has a strong interest in hunting down the other team to help her own credibility, so I'm interested to see who she plans to vote for today.

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote: Llama, can you go over again why asking you your opinion on the lynch is suspicious?

Certainly, my dear fellow.

Asking "who do you think will be lynched" as opposed to "who do you think ought to be lynched" seems suspicious to me, because the only motive I can see behind such a question is trying to plan where to put your vote so it doesn't look suspicious. Initially, I thought it was about throwing Made under the bus. That no longer appears to be the case, but it still smells fishy to me.

llama I have not looked at your posts yet but I'm hoping you might just tell me if there is any other evidence of Long Con's baddieness than this post. If Long Con did what you say he did regarding that quote it was clumsy and I'm not used to LC being clumsy. Neither of you is on my baddie list at the moment but maybe I'm blinded.

I just looked over LC's posts again. I could say it was because of his dirty signature trick or his relentless harping on "you would know" but honestly, that one question is what I am basing my suspicion on yes. I just can't see a reason why a civ would ask that question.

Some recent thoughts then.

I would imagine God is a non-player role who has, at most, some limited degree of information. Or perhaps none at all. So I'm not sure how much I trust his/her judgement in terms of knowing we're looking in the wrong direction. I'd need some hard evidence to believe otherwise.

I still think SVS is very, very bad. And I still think she was using Made to her ends. Given how Enrique ended up being a bad recruit though, it makes me think her claiming to be actively hunting baddies is still true, and that she is on a separate baddie team from him.

Not sure how I feel about LC possibly being bad. I need to think about it more and look over his posts some.

Not sure how I feel about anyone else yet, other than Boogs. I would really like to hear more from him since he's barely posted and has only focused on Enrique and Made.

I agree I'd like to hear more from Boogs. I'm just not getting a good vibe there for reasons I covered earlier as well as bwt's point that he's only posted about Made and Enrique. Who are you suspicious of boogs? Can you name a couple of people you are suspicious of and reasons like most of us have done?

You're barking up the wrong tree on that one, Llama. I really just asked that as a conversation piece. There werer any intentions at all with it, just taking a different angle on the game. I didn't expect you to avoid it, and I certainly didn't expect you to retreat into paranoia about it. It was just a casual question.

S~V~S wrote:EBWOP:

I knew that no matter how Made turned up, LC & Llama would come gunning for me.

(I knew something was wrong with that sentence, it kept chewing at me. took a while to figure out)

You shouldn't have expected anything else from me, because my suspicion of you never involved Made at all.

Voting for what is your quest. Today apparently my quest is to wait for an email that doesn't look like it's coming. Fun times.

juliets wrote:I agree I'd like to hear more from Boogs. I'm just not getting a good vibe there for reasons I covered earlier as well as bwt's point that he's only posted about Made and Enrique. Who are you suspicious of boogs? Can you name a couple of people you are suspicious of and reasons like most of us have done?

I think SVS has been acting strange with the Made stuff to almost build credibility for the lynch, however maybe she saw something else we didn't when we cast our votes.
Also JC, I have a really weird feeling about Bullzeye recently. I know he has sseemed blendy to me but i kind of think we should explore his behavior and i may want to put my vote there. Something doesnt feel right about him to me.

How have I seemed blendy?

I'm around very sporadically today, but I'll try to address any suspicions that llama/others have of me as they come up.

Quick and dirty thoughts:
- I was prepared to listen to te anti-SVS arguments from Keter/llama/LC et al today, and still am...but so far in this last page or so since the lynch SVS has sounded civ-like to me. Maybe she's hoodwinking me, I dunno. I'm interested to see how this plays out, but......
- The Word of God sounded pretty certain that we shouldn't lynch SVS. This is mostly baseless speculation, but I think if God's opinion were only an opinion, there wouldn't have been such a reticence to name the player God was talking about. Dennis has no trouble tossing out names, and I'm of theind that Dennis is a regular-ish gossip role (i.e. Is allowed to publish opinions and/or some info from the host that may or may not be true), but I think God is something different, and I think the lack if stating baldly what he was talking about makes me more likely to believe it's founded in info/fact rather than player speculation......but I don't know. That seems a little too powerful/easy or tricksy Roxy
- I know Mongoose is hosting her own game, but is her lack of involvement suspicious to anyone else? She really just seems like she's floating by on her "Aw, shucks!" attitude and contributing to civ lunches without doing any baddie hunting at all...and there is the (admittedly tenuous) connection to DF I suggested earlier....I'm willing to drop this obsession with Mongoose after today if I am literally the only one seeing it, but I thought is float it out there one more time before we get too bogged down in SS/LC/llama gate....
- people are now suspicious of Boogs? I will have to look and see if I agree since I have barely notice Boogs all game...
- while I'm at it, here are some other people who have seemed incredibly low-key/blendy to me (and who I think have a chance of being opportunistically using Made-stravaganza to their advantage): Mongoose, LoRab, Dana, ninja jujube , splints, bea, Hedgie. I do not think they are all bad, and I'm not necessarily suspicious of all of them equally, but these are names that, when I try to think of what they've been up to in this game and where they stand, I mostly draw a blank.

Also, my name is Canucklehead, my favourite colours and blue and green, and my quest is for Lord Stanley's Cup.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.

Agreed, and there was so much doubt surrounding the whole situation, we couldn't just let him go. Feels off that you'd say you "believed" me... I didn't know anything, it just seemed like it was still a good possibility. What are your next moves here... Suspicions?

Well, here was my post.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I understand that Made has to be lynched, but if there were wagers on the outcome, I would put a small bet on him being the Civvie role that A Person's lynch alludes to. A small bet, as in I'm not super confident, but I still kind of think it.

Too much reasonable doubt though.

So you think that maybe the secrets to AP's role are that he would sacrifice himself for the surival of Lancelot? That fits with the movie description. I am actually very inclined to believe this.

This would mean that Made is Sir Lancelot though. Hmm...

I don't recall anyone else offering such a hypothesis, but it made complete sense as to why AP was lynched. I never did read the details on AP's role, which clearly would have helped.

I was picking up what you were laying down.

I'm going to do some more reading today. SVS looks like a notable target, but that seems to me like an easy way out.

Bullz i got some blendy and unusual vibes from you, especially the other night. I just dont think you're actinf Civ and want to see what others think on the option you can be bad.

LoRab wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.

You're my next suspicion, so...

I'm not going anywhere. Suspish away...