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Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:53 pm
by ObscureAllure
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've made a deal with Long Con, and unless he accepts, my vote goes to him. I'm sorry.
Why do you think he's good?
He's being stubborn, not manipulative.
THIS. And if you take two seconds to think about why he'd say the things he has, it makes sense. Not saying that necessarily makes him good, but it does mean he has his reasons. Plus, as his lovely wife so graciously pointed out, he be cray cray. :haha: Luff LC and BR <3 If he sets to something, he's going to give it his all even if it's not something he wants to do or fully agrees with. I think in this case he has his reasons to contradict himself. That reason in itself doesn't make him bad.
Glorfindel wrote:So Say We All!
S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've made a deal with Long Con, and unless he accepts, my vote goes to him. I'm sorry.
He's trying to get lynched. I think he is not gonna die. There could be civvie reasons for this,but if he were a civvie I doubt he would play them up. He is egging people on, he made a vote that could not save him when he had the most votes, or the second most votes.

He wants to be lynched.
I'll admit, this is what it looks like to me. Epi seems convinced of LC's innocence and while I respect that, the next worst thing to a Mafia member is (in my opinion) a reckless Townie. I think the sortie hijack and his stubborn insistence in not accepting what I think should by now be obvious to everyone suggests a lack of discipline that even if he isn't Mafia isn't going to help us in the long run. I still have time and I am open to being convinced otherwise...
It's not a lack of discipline. LC is one of the most stubborn people I've ever played with and had much mafia discipline. If anything, I think he's using careful discipline in deciding that all cylons must die, even though he believes Athena to be good.
Epignosis wrote:You should go stand in the corner of you Cylon ship and think about what you just said.
Literally LOL'd
SokothQultuq wrote:This is my first game, so I'm trying to get a feel for how its played and even after so many posts I still feel kind of lost. And not really sure how to contribute.
Welcome to playing mafia. :keys: :keys: :keys: You're doing fine. Stick with your gut. Often times it'll be right. Other times, it'll get you killed, but at least you'll have a cool story to tell the next game.
Black Rock wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Matt wrote:Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!
No,vote Nutella :srsnod:
Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.
I apologize if you already said why, but can you explain (or link me to it)?
Black Rock wrote:
Matt wrote:Well, two reasons...

1) He joke voted Epi on Day One and got us a Cylon. A good cylon, but still.

2) Curiously, he is listed as "Marmot" on the poll, and I know Golden already "explained" it, but I can't help feel that it makes Marmot special somehow. :ponder:
Matt, you are a curious fellow.
Right?!? I don't think I've seen someone use so much non-gameplay in their suspish before. LOL.


LC - Just freaking say it! Even if you don't follow it.



FWIW - I'm almost positive that if there are good cylons (and I think there are), Epi is one of them.

LINKI lots of it to read after I post

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:54 pm
by sig
Oh I thought you were saying it was to pro town.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:54 pm
by sig
Which didn't make much sense, but I figured I'd role with it. :P

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:54 pm
by nutella
sig, people familiar with the show have insisted that Athena is a good character, are you ignoring that info? like I get that maybe we shouldn't assume that it's reflected in the roles in this game, but it would make some sense. are you not willing to entertain that possibility?


lorab I am so jealous!!!!!

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:58 pm
by bea
LoRab wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am. :eye:
I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.
Black Rock wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Matt wrote:Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!
No,vote Nutella :srsnod:
Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.
I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.
bea wrote:taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.
You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.[/quote
no -you didn't miss it I didn't say - but BR put some supsih here that i agree with. So yea. Twirl if I'm wrong I will happily prove I'm wrong. But you do have to prove I'm wrong....

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:58 pm
by sig
nutella wrote:sig, people familiar with the show have insisted that Athena is a good character, are you ignoring that info? like I get that maybe we shouldn't assume that it's reflected in the roles in this game, but it would make some sense. are you not willing to entertain that possibility?


lorab I am so jealous!!!!!
Ugh fine, obviously I'm the super minority here. I'll ISO Epi over the night phase and see what I think and I'll take into consideration what they've said. However, I still don't believe we should put to much weight in the show. Take the Final five for example whatever they are they've been randomized and aren't the same people as they were in the show. I think getting to deep into the shows lore isn't good, especially with some of the text in game. You'll be seen as a cylon sympathizer if you don't say this ect.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:59 pm
by bea
I effed those quots 16 ways from sunday. :(

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:00 pm
by S~V~S
So,Bea, you found Lorab MORE suspect than Nutella who had votes,and was suspect for similar reasons?

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:00 pm
by Polo
sig wrote:And we both voted together for an outed teammate hmmm maybe. :ponder:
Are you that sure he's mafia?
sig wrote:Can you explain your vote?
Yes, I can. Vomps is capable of everything, and that includes revealing he's mafia under everyone's nose and get ignored :mafia: . I also don't want to fail to vote today because I have plenty of exams in the coming weeks and I may have to abstain from voting in the future.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:01 pm
by Black Rock
LoRab wrote:In totally unrelated news, I just got Hamilton tickets for December. And you all should vote for and play Dom's and my Hamilton game when we post it and the next poll goes up. And, I'm more than excited to have gotten tickets. I felt a need to share.
Then I think a congratulations is in order.

In other news, I was looking back in my FB photos and came across pics from Frex Halloween Party. There was one with you, me, LC, Sawyer540, and DD. Good times, miss the old crew.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:01 pm
by DrumBeats
Catching up now, on page 60 so far. Currently leaning my vote on LC.

linki - I would also be down with a vote on Vompatti if we can build support for it.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:01 pm
by Spacedaisy
Ok, I'm uncomfortable with all these candidates. Of all of them LC is the only one I had any slight suspicion of, but he wouldn't even have made my list. But I feel even less suspect of the other leading candidates. In particular Nutella, I'm not seeing baddie Nutella, though she could be fooling me I suppose. Anyway, I guess I'm voting LC.

Vote: Long Con

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:03 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I'm uncomfortable with all these candidates. Of all of them LC is the only one I had any slight suspicion of, but he wouldn't even have made my list. But I feel even less suspect of the other leading candidates. In particular Nutella, I'm not seeing baddie Nutella, though she could be fooling me I suppose. Anyway, I guess I'm voting LC.

Vote: Long Con
Who would have made your list?

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:03 pm
by Black Rock
LC you're so freaking stubborn.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:04 pm
by ObscureAllure
Black Rock wrote:LC you're so freaking stubborn.
:haha: :haha: You poor, poor woman.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:06 pm
by Black Rock
ObscureAllure wrote:
Black Rock wrote:LC you're so freaking stubborn.
:haha: :haha: You poor, poor woman.
That's just the half of it, I have two of his boys. I'm still looking for my DNA in them.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:06 pm
by Silverwolf
Daisy is bad

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:07 pm
by Black Rock
Silverwolf wrote:Daisy is bad

Eother that or phoning it in. I'm leaning bad though.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:08 pm
by sig
That nutella portion of your post was very fencey Daisy.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:09 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I think I trust the people on the nutella wagon more than the people on the Long Con wagon for the most part. The Zebra wagon isn't terribly inspiring but I probably trust that group more than the LC wagon too.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:10 pm
by bea
sig wrote:
nutella wrote:sig, people familiar with the show have insisted that Athena is a good character, are you ignoring that info? like I get that maybe we shouldn't assume that it's reflected in the roles in this game, but it would make some sense. are you not willing to entertain that possibility?


lorab I am so jealous!!!!!
Ugh fine, obviously I'm the super minority here. I'll ISO Epi over the night phase and see what I think and I'll take into consideration what they've said. However, I still don't believe we should put to much weight in the show. Take the Final five for example whatever they are they've been randomized and aren't the same people as they were in the show. I think getting to deep into the shows lore isn't good, especially with some of the text in game. You'll be seen as a cylon sympathizer if you don't say this ect.
I'm a cylon synthesizer. And if you lynch me right now, I'm a human. i don't see how this is bad.
As I've said since the beginning - I have a hard time seeing athena as anything but good because of her role in the lore. I COULD be wrong. I've also always said that - but I've been asking for the BOTD here because it feels against the nature of the show.

everyone - incuding indi - who pointed to jjj's post about absolutely trusting epi based on his role card flip missed that I was the FIRST person to say - if he does something suspish we should hold him accountable, till then I give him *and* Athena the BOTD.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:11 pm
by S~V~S
sig wrote:That nutella portion of your post was very fencey Daisy.
Yeah, "I have no clue, but Nutella isn't bad".

Linki @ bea~ did you miss this?
S~V~S wrote:So,Bea, you found Lorab MORE suspect than Nutella who had votes,and was suspect for similar reasons?

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:12 pm
by S~V~S
Did Scotty post his vote?

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:12 pm
by juliets
I'd like to give nutella the botd for one more day but she ends up at the top of the list to get my vote today. I also considered LC (no longer considering), Marmot (decided his antics did not necessarily mean he was bad), DFaraday (decided to give him another day to join in) and sig (his latest posts convinced me not to vote him) but rejected them for different reasons.

Vote: nutella

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:14 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
juliets wrote:and sig (his latest posts convinced me not to vote him)
What did you like from sig's latest posts?

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:14 pm
by nutella
Alriiight, I hate to do this because I really think LC is good, but there's only 10 minutes and basically no hope left for me :(

vote: Long Con

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:15 pm
by Polo
bea wrote:
sig wrote:
nutella wrote:sig, people familiar with the show have insisted that Athena is a good character, are you ignoring that info? like I get that maybe we shouldn't assume that it's reflected in the roles in this game, but it would make some sense. are you not willing to entertain that possibility?


lorab I am so jealous!!!!!
Ugh fine, obviously I'm the super minority here. I'll ISO Epi over the night phase and see what I think and I'll take into consideration what they've said. However, I still don't believe we should put to much weight in the show. Take the Final five for example whatever they are they've been randomized and aren't the same people as they were in the show. I think getting to deep into the shows lore isn't good, especially with some of the text in game. You'll be seen as a cylon sympathizer if you don't say this ect.
I'm a cylon synthesizer. And if you lynch me right now, I'm a human. i don't see how this is bad.
As I've said since the beginning - I have a hard time seeing athena as anything but good because of her role in the lore. I COULD be wrong. I've also always said that - but I've been asking for the BOTD here because it feels against the nature of the show.

everyone - incuding indi - who pointed to jjj's post about absolutely trusting epi based on his role card flip missed that I was the FIRST person to say - if he does something suspish we should hold him accountable, till then I give him *and* Athena the BOTD.
That definitely sounds cool.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:17 pm
by Polo
Remember, folks: votes only count if you post the name of the target in dead red!. I'm looking at you, DFaraday, and any others I may have missed.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:17 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
VOTE - NUTELLA

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:18 pm
by DFaraday
So say we all?

LC isn't reading bad to me, but I'm not really seeing the case on Nutella either (I agree with her that she gets lynched based on tone too often). Zebra's Rico vote didn't sit right with me, so I will vote a2thezebra

Linki: I was writing my post, Polo. :p

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:18 pm
by Black Rock
So I voted for Nutella.

Vote: Nutella

Two reasons: I really think LC is on the good side. I would like to see more distance between votes for him and Nutella

Also, if Nutella flips some sort of baddie/Mafia/Bad Cylon/Murderer. I am so going after LoRab with all I got.

Linkitis:

LET ME POST GUYS!!!

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:19 pm
by DrumBeats
Nutella

The more I read from LC and BR, I don't think LC is the way to go anymore.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:20 pm
by ObscureAllure
Black Rock wrote:So I voted for Nutella.

Vote: Nutella

Two reasons: I really think LC is on the good side. I would like to see more distance between votes for him and Nutella

Also, if Nutella flips some sort of baddie/Mafia/Bad Cylon/Murderer. I am so going after LoRab with all I got.

Linkitis:

LET ME POST GUYS!!!
BR - did you see me ask before? What's the connection you see between them? (If you already said it, can you link me?)

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:20 pm
by Glorfindel
So Say We All!

I'm voting Long Con I already explained why and I've seen nothing since to sway me to other candidates.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:21 pm
by sig
all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:22 pm
by Black Rock
ObscureAllure wrote:
Black Rock wrote:So I voted for Nutella.

Vote: Nutella

Two reasons: I really think LC is on the good side. I would like to see more distance between votes for him and Nutella

Also, if Nutella flips some sort of baddie/Mafia/Bad Cylon/Murderer. I am so going after LoRab with all I got.

Linkitis:

LET ME POST GUYS!!!
BR - did you see me ask before? What's the connection you see between them? (If you already said it, can you link me?)
I'll find it. I hadn't seen your question.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:23 pm
by Long Con
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
:suspish:

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:24 pm
by bea
S~V~S wrote:
sig wrote:That nutella portion of your post was very fencey Daisy.
Yeah, "I have no clue, but Nutella isn't bad".

Linki @ bea~ did you miss this?
S~V~S wrote:So,Bea, you found Lorab MORE suspect than Nutella who had votes,and was suspect for similar reasons?
yes -a) I totes missed it. I've been drinking and talking to two of my under age nephews.

I did the best I could at the time. As I said - BR's opinion shaped mine. i'm not saying she's to "blame" i own my vote. I agreed with what she said and voted accordingly then went back to trying to get my nephew to come home to me.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:24 pm
by S~V~S
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
Well, let's see how it goes. If Nutella flips bad, I don't see how Daisy is civ. A few other votes would worry me too.
Long Con wrote:
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
:suspish:
What mad that more people aren't voting for you? :P

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:26 pm
by sig
Long Con wrote:
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
:suspish:
:ninja:

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:28 pm
by Long Con
S~V~S wrote:
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
Well, let's see how it goes. If Nutella flips bad, I don't see how Daisy is civ. A few other votes would worry me too.
Long Con wrote:
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
:suspish:
What mad that more people aren't voting for you? :P
Quiet, you. :haha:
sig wrote:
Long Con wrote:
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
:suspish:
:ninja:
I saw you there!

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:28 pm
by Glorfindel
Son Say We All!
sig wrote:all these last minute votes on nutella are worrying to me.

Though I really dislike Glorfs vote for LC. :sigh:
Do you now, Sig? Tell me, what's new?

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:29 pm
by nutella
Now that my vote is even more meaningless I feel worse about it :p My symbolic vote would be on Zebra.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:29 pm
by Golden
THINGS GET META

Starbuck was sitting in the pilots locker room when indiglo walked in.

“OMG” said indiglo “You’re starbuck”

“Yes” said Starbuck “What the frak do you want?”

“I mean, I’m just watching season four and, what’s up with you? I’m not sure what’s going on?”

“What do you mean, season four?” said Starbuck

“You know… season four… of… Battlestar Galactica?” said indiglo “that TV show you’re on?”

Starbuck looked at indiglo in disgust. Indiglo began to hyperventilate.

“I don’t know what the frak you are talking about, but the very survival of the human race is at stake here and all you can talk about is a TV show? Get out of here, or I’ll make sure you get on report.

“Yes, sir” said indiglo, and she left abruptly.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Meanwhile, Snarmot was talking to Long Con in the mess. They were distracted by the sound of S~V~S munching on tinfoil.

“Hey, marmy!” said Long Con “Have you…”

Black Rock walked in and interrupted. “LC. We have a diaper situation. Can you please go to the armory and find some diapers. Stat.” Long Con rushed off in compliance.

“Thank goodness” said Black Rock “That’s the only time I can get a word in around here. As for my word, well, today it’s pretty simple.” She drew her gun, and shot nutella in the head.

Everyone was stunned. But not as stunned as they were when they discovered who she was.

Nutella has been lynched. She was Simon O’Neill.
It is now night two. The Galactica has flown too close to a black hole. This means everything is moving at half speed. While one hour appears to pass to those of you in the fleet, two hours is passing in the outside world. Any mechanics which refer to or are based on being available at or after set hours are affected.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:30 pm
by bea
nutella wrote:Now that my vote is even more meaningless I feel worse about it :p My symbolic vote would be on Zebra.
why? If you are dead girl walking...lay it all out on the line...

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:31 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Immediate notes: nutella was a cylon and she stayed dead. No further alignment indicated.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:32 pm
by Polo
Nice.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:32 pm
by Black Rock
Ok OA.
Black Rock wrote:
LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am. :eye:

It's this post from LoRab that just seemed to convenient. After she just voted for LC. Hold on I'll get that post...
LoRab wrote:I went ahead and

voted Long Con

Sorry, dude, but your posts are just reading more bad to me than good. It's more gut than anything.

And I'm under the weather and really tired, and don't trust that I won't fall asleep at the computer, so wanted to vote now rather than forget or sleep through it.
I felt this vote post was weak. She states she might be falling asleep. Although she has made post three hours later. She also seemed to be ticket shopping. Baddie LoRab is known for such excuses.

But once again it's this post...
LoRab wrote:LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.
Like she was covering her ass, after she voted for LC and could not change it.

If she was covering her ass and bad it would mean they were teammates in the most murdering sense.

Linki: So say we all.

That is not a good Cylon.

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:32 pm
by sig
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Immediate notes: nutella was a cylon and she stayed dead. No further alignment indicated.
Yes since we blew up one of their ships.

I'm thinking Daisy is a good candidate tomorrow so is epi. :srsnod:

Re: Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Day Two

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:32 pm
by S~V~S
Holy SHit! Thats a cylon! I had to look at the roles, lol!!