Re: MAD MAX: Day 5
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:32 pm
I'm going to be on the road for about 13 hours starting this evening, so I'll likely go dark here. I like my vote where it is.
I would now. Initially I thought you two looked similar because neither of you seemed to be putting in a lot of effort after subbing in. I thought you looked the worst of the two, but you're completely fipping that theory on its head now.Scotty wrote:Would you vote for her? This is the most trepidation I've seen from you regarding indi, but haven't yet seen you pull the trigger.Sloonei wrote:I think it is a bad look. It hints at her being withdrawn and uninspired again.Scotty wrote:@JJJ: indi just drops a vote unannounced and doesn't offer anything else on the table.
Is that a civ or mafia look for her?
Wicked bad news, not pissah.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It actually occurs to me that I'll be busy on-site too (going to Boston for the weekend), so I might have zero time for this game the rest of Day 5.
Oh, am I?Sloonei wrote:I would now. Initially I thought you two looked similar because neither of you seemed to be putting in a lot of effort after subbing in. I thought you looked the worst of the two, but you're completely fipping that theory on its head now.Scotty wrote:Would you vote for her? This is the most trepidation I've seen from you regarding indi, but haven't yet seen you pull the trigger.Sloonei wrote:I think it is a bad look. It hints at her being withdrawn and uninspired again.Scotty wrote:@JJJ: indi just drops a vote unannounced and doesn't offer anything else on the table.
Is that a civ or mafia look for her?
Your activity alone is enough. Meanwhile, indiglo has just dropped a vote and ran. That is a complete lack of effort, I am uninspired.Scotty wrote:Oh, am I?Sloonei wrote:I would now. Initially I thought you two looked similar because neither of you seemed to be putting in a lot of effort after subbing in. I thought you looked the worst of the two, but you're completely fipping that theory on its head now.Scotty wrote:Would you vote for her? This is the most trepidation I've seen from you regarding indi, but haven't yet seen you pull the trigger.Sloonei wrote:I think it is a bad look. It hints at her being withdrawn and uninspired again.Scotty wrote:@JJJ: indi just drops a vote unannounced and doesn't offer anything else on the table.
Is that a civ or mafia look for her?
Anything in particular? Maybe my if/then indictment of you? Or my dashing good looks?
That it exists. Neither indiglo nor Wilgy has done much in recent memory in this thread, so the vote just looks like it has some strategic motivation. It could also be a generic self-preservation vote. Glorfindel was also a viable target for that though, and she specifically chose Wilgy.Sloonei wrote:What makes you feel that way about her vote?
Sure, I guess. Still people I haven't looked at closely, so I'm not confident of those holding too much weight.Sloonei wrote:Scotty, would you be able to produce some sort of rainbow list or GTH scum list right now if I asked you to?
indi and wilgy seem to be pretty universally suspected. I am confident that we can find at least one baddie between the two of them.Scotty wrote:Dom: GOOD
DrWilgy: BAD
Epignosis 2.0: GOOD
Glorfindel: BAD
Indiglo: BAD
insertnamehere: GOOD
JaggedJimmyJay: GOOD
LoRab: GOOD
MacDougall: GOOD
motel room: GOOD
Quin: BAD
Sloonei: BAD
I feel like Glorf could go either way for me, and I'm still operating under the assumption that INH saved himself.
Quin is literally a gut read based on dribblings of post she he has made, and I have no evidence to think him bad besides that.
Umm. I did.Sloonei wrote:indi and wilgy seem to be pretty universally suspected. I am confident that we can find at least one baddie between the two of them.Scotty wrote:Dom: GOOD
DrWilgy: BAD
Epignosis 2.0: GOOD
Glorfindel: BAD
Indiglo: BAD
insertnamehere: GOOD
JaggedJimmyJay: GOOD
LoRab: GOOD
MacDougall: GOOD
motel room: GOOD
Quin: BAD
Sloonei: BAD
I feel like Glorf could go either way for me, and I'm still operating under the assumption that INH saved himself.
Quin is literally a gut read based on dribblings of post she he has made, and I have no evidence to think him bad besides that.
I'm surprised at your bad reads on myself and Quin, Scotty. Can you explain those?
What is up with these all encompassing blame trains?Sloonei wrote:indi and wilgy seem to be pretty universally suspected. I am confident that we can find at least one baddie between the two of them.Scotty wrote:Dom: GOOD
DrWilgy: BAD
Epignosis 2.0: GOOD
Glorfindel: BAD
Indiglo: BAD
insertnamehere: GOOD
JaggedJimmyJay: GOOD
LoRab: GOOD
MacDougall: GOOD
motel room: GOOD
Quin: BAD
Sloonei: BAD
I feel like Glorf could go either way for me, and I'm still operating under the assumption that INH saved himself.
Quin is literally a gut read based on dribblings of post she he has made, and I have no evidence to think him bad besides that.
I'm surprised at your bad reads on myself and Quin, Scotty. Can you explain those?
I finally suspect you for something you did post.DrWilgy wrote:What is up with these all encompassing blame trains?Sloonei wrote:indi and wilgy seem to be pretty universally suspected. I am confident that we can find at least one baddie between the two of them.Scotty wrote:Dom: GOOD
DrWilgy: BAD
Epignosis 2.0: GOOD
Glorfindel: BAD
Indiglo: BAD
insertnamehere: GOOD
JaggedJimmyJay: GOOD
LoRab: GOOD
MacDougall: GOOD
motel room: GOOD
Quin: BAD
Sloonei: BAD
I feel like Glorf could go either way for me, and I'm still operating under the assumption that INH saved himself.
Quin is literally a gut read based on dribblings of post she he has made, and I have no evidence to think him bad besides that.
I'm surprised at your bad reads on myself and Quin, Scotty. Can you explain those?
Just u wait Sloon... ONE DAY I'LL HAVE TIME TO POST
Are there any specific posts currently giving you the heeby-jeebies that I can address?Scotty wrote:Umm. I did.Sloonei wrote:indi and wilgy seem to be pretty universally suspected. I am confident that we can find at least one baddie between the two of them.Scotty wrote:Dom: GOOD
DrWilgy: BAD
Epignosis 2.0: GOOD
Glorfindel: BAD
Indiglo: BAD
insertnamehere: GOOD
JaggedJimmyJay: GOOD
LoRab: GOOD
MacDougall: GOOD
motel room: GOOD
Quin: BAD
Sloonei: BAD
I feel like Glorf could go either way for me, and I'm still operating under the assumption that INH saved himself.
Quin is literally a gut read based on dribblings of post she he has made, and I have no evidence to think him bad besides that.
I'm surprised at your bad reads on myself and Quin, Scotty. Can you explain those?
Quin is purely a gut read like I said in the post you quoted.
I think you are suspicious based on my feeling that indi is bad, as I said a few posts ago
indiglo. What's your take on the case against him?Sloonei wrote:Who are you gonna vote for, Mr Quin?
I've been on the fence about her most of the time. I see the case against her but I've had a hard time deciding whether or not her frustration comes from a townie or a scum point of view. Her vote today is the strongest evidence that it's a scum perspective that I've seen all game, and that has put me over the edge in terms of suspecting her. I am fully willing to vote for her today. I just wish either her or Wilgy were here to address some concerns, as they seem to be everyone's top suspects.Quin wrote:indiglo. What's your take on the case against him?Sloonei wrote:Who are you gonna vote for, Mr Quin?
Why does her Wilgy vote seem bad to you? Is it the choice or the lack of justification behind it?Sloonei wrote:I've been on the fence about her most of the time. I see the case against her but I've had a hard time deciding whether or not her frustration comes from a townie or a scum point of view. Her vote today is the strongest evidence that it's a scum perspective that I've seen all game, and that has put me over the edge in terms of suspecting her. I am fully willing to vote for her today. I just wish either her or Wilgy were here to address some concerns, as they seem to be everyone's top suspects.Quin wrote:indiglo. What's your take on the case against him?Sloonei wrote:Who are you gonna vote for, Mr Quin?
Even if we are right about those two, there still remains a third bad guy who we'll need to find.
It was the lack of justification. The case around her is largely built on inactivty, and I think that if she was town she could/would have taken the easy route by simply producing as much content as she's able. But she has not, and this leads me to feel like she's lacking motivation, and that this lack of motivation results from her feeling like she subbed into a lost cause. Her vote today was nothing but a bare minimum effort driveby vote, which suggeste even more than she's lacking motivation. I think that mindset is more likely in a baddie than a townie.Quin wrote:Why does her Wilgy vote seem bad to you? Is it the choice or the lack of justification behind it?Sloonei wrote:I've been on the fence about her most of the time. I see the case against her but I've had a hard time deciding whether or not her frustration comes from a townie or a scum point of view. Her vote today is the strongest evidence that it's a scum perspective that I've seen all game, and that has put me over the edge in terms of suspecting her. I am fully willing to vote for her today. I just wish either her or Wilgy were here to address some concerns, as they seem to be everyone's top suspects.Quin wrote:indiglo. What's your take on the case against him?Sloonei wrote:Who are you gonna vote for, Mr Quin?
Even if we are right about those two, there still remains a third bad guy who we'll need to find.
As for her frustration, I initially wanted to read it as civ. The fact that her personality did a complete 180 is proof enough for me that the frustration was genuine, at least. But now I don't think I can justify civ reading it when she's not given me a more concrete reason to read her as good.
I'm genuinely sorry that you see it that way, Jay. I accept your opinion but respectfully disagree. Perhaps someone did have enough trust in INH to make that judgement of him but wasn't prepared to do so publiclyJaggedJimmyJay wrote:That's just a bit too speculative for my comfort, Matty, regarding what INH may or may not have done with any night actions in his period of frustration. If Silvertongue saved INH, and INH himself wasn't the one to do that -- I can only see one other player in this game who'd be likely to take that action: you. And I only say that now because you're currently promoting the notion that it wasn't him.
I don't recall anyone having enough trust in INH to make that decision. I myself was far from certain about him flipping mafia, but I still wouldn't have stopped the lynch if I could have. I felt it was something we needed to get past. If someone else did save him though don't take this as an admonishment.
Her frustration in this post (and others) speak to her level of frustration that you believe is uncharacteristic of her. Do you have any possible explanations that would justify her frustration given you believe it is indeed uncharacteristic of her?indiglo wrote:I'm not being sour grapes either, because I sub into games all the time - I'm practically a professional sub. I've probably subbed into more games that I've signed up for. I've never gotten this type of reception. Even when I've subbed in for a baddie who slipped up, and I come in as the clean up man. Now that's a tough situation to sub into. This is just an annoying situation to sub into.
AmateurJaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hello crew.
Car post. From the passenger seat. There doesn't seem to be much to talk about. Maybe a good opportunity for someone with more time to ISO a high content swing player like MacDougall. Or Glorfindel, since suspicion on him seems to be semi-consistent but also vague.
Quite a lot of civ reads there, Sloons. Seeing as I know I am good, I'm wondering how you'll start weeding out some of those green daffodils from the rest.Sloonei wrote:Here's a rainbow list.
Jay
Quin
insertnamehere
zebra/epi 2.0
motel room
Glorfindel
LoRab
Dom
Mac
Scotty
DrWilgy
Indiglo
Assuming INH is Silvertongue.
I'd like to revisit LoRab, Dom, and Mac later when I'm not absorbed in a baseball game or at work. I've mostly been going off of gut for those three without giving them much of a substantial look.
I feel better about Scotty today but the combination of him + sprityo still has not done enough to win me over.
I think we all agree that Wilgy and indiglo are suspects. indiglo seems to be the more popular of the two. I'm fine with either one.
I feel like he isn't really *participating* like civ Mac does.Epignosis wrote:How so?Dom wrote:Mac is making me nervous.
So... you had time to make this post, but not one to tell us who you're suspicous of?DrWilgy wrote:What is up with these all encompassing blame trains?Sloonei wrote:indi and wilgy seem to be pretty universally suspected. I am confident that we can find at least one baddie between the two of them.Scotty wrote:Dom: GOOD
DrWilgy: BAD
Epignosis 2.0: GOOD
Glorfindel: BAD
Indiglo: BAD
insertnamehere: GOOD
JaggedJimmyJay: GOOD
LoRab: GOOD
MacDougall: GOOD
motel room: GOOD
Quin: BAD
Sloonei: BAD
I feel like Glorf could go either way for me, and I'm still operating under the assumption that INH saved himself.
Quin is literally a gut read based on dribblings of post she he has made, and I have no evidence to think him bad besides that.
I'm surprised at your bad reads on myself and Quin, Scotty. Can you explain those?
Just u wait Sloon... ONE DAY I'LL HAVE TIME TO POST
There are quite a lot of civs left and not so many baddies. I sense that you are tunneling me at the moment, or at least making it a point to grill me.Scotty wrote:Quite a lot of civ reads there, Sloons. Seeing as I know I am good, I'm wondering how you'll start weeding out some of those green daffodils from the rest.Sloonei wrote:Here's a rainbow list.
Jay
Quin
insertnamehere
zebra/epi 2.0
motel room
Glorfindel
LoRab
Dom
Mac
Scotty
DrWilgy
Indiglo
Assuming INH is Silvertongue.
I'd like to revisit LoRab, Dom, and Mac later when I'm not absorbed in a baseball game or at work. I've mostly been going off of gut for those three without giving them much of a substantial look.
I feel better about Scotty today but the combination of him + sprityo still has not done enough to win me over.
I think we all agree that Wilgy and indiglo are suspects. indiglo seems to be the more popular of the two. I'm fine with either one.
I'm also surprised you still haven't changed your vote. Why would make you move your vote to indi like you say you might?
Nothing from this post.Elohcin wrote:I'm here! I voted for 24 hours b/c I think we should get started as soon as possible. It's been weeks since I played mafia. And, this is a speed game.
I won't be around for the beginning though. I will be out late tonight. But I may be able to come in after I get home.
Elohcin wrote:Epignosis wrote:Voting Eloh.loon.
This post on its own makes 3J look good. There wasn't the deliberateness associated with an under-the-bus maneuver.Elohcin wrote:So yeah, it was like after midnight when I posted that response to Epi. Maybe that's why it seems lifeless. Last night was my monthly ladies night out and I didn't come home until I had my fill of caramel apple sangria.MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It pains me to disparage a lady, but I do believe Elohcin's response to that random vote from her husband was a bit lifeless. Considering she is here to see Neil Hartley live and in the flesh, I know she isn't that bored. The look on her face, it's giving Neil the wrong impression.
I cannot even remember what emoji I used. Wait....I do remember. Was it was "I'm wacko" one...I think so. That emoji makes me think of someone being crazy and silly with their post/vote. I actually didn't even look to see he ACTUALLY voted for me. I thought he was kidding at the time. Maybe I ought to vote him back
But probably not as I might be voting to save myself with it being so close and all.
I know nothing of this show, so JJJ is confusing me a bit. I may vote him. It seems a little 'trying too hard' to come in here role play like that right off the bat. Like he is trying to win us over. What do y'all think? And this is not WIFOM talking...whatever that is. I never understood that term completely. but you all seem to use it for when you go after someone who has gone after you? I don't know.
I'll hold off on voting for now.
This reinforces my opinion of 3J. So do the next few posts in the history.Elohcin wrote:I honestly don't know what to say in defence. There is nothing to defend against. Your role playing or lack thereof confuses me.
This thing here.Elohcin wrote:Oh my goodness! I was thinking days were 24 hours for some reason! I thought I got my vote in like 3 minutes before the bell!!! I wake up this morning looking hard for a host post and everything. GAH! I'm gettin' OLD. Someone save me!!Sloonei wrote:Votes are changeable and the day is barely half over. This is not the time to be casting preservation votes. Vote wherever your suspicions are!Elohcin wrote:Nome...it was one of twoJaggedJimmyJay wrote:What's ya beef with the bird with teeth?Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...
..him or Mac. No need.
Okay, I have like 2 pages to catch up on. I am busy today, but I will get there eventually.
Elohcin wrote:I honestly don't know what to say in defence. There is nothing to defend against. Your role playing or lack thereof confuses me.
And what you have is an indication that her team wasn't on the same page Day 1. Consider:Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...
Uh-huh.Elohcin wrote:You said if it was true that I thought it was a 24 hour Day 1 that you wouldn't look at me as bad. Then you say you're moving your vote back to me. What gives?Sloonei wrote:Having said that, I'm moving my vote back to Elohcin for the reasons I mentioned earlier. I'm off to work now, so I won't be posting much at all, but i'll try to glance at my phone when I can to stay loosely caught up. Don't be surprised if I cast a sudden and silent vote near the end of the day. I do that sometimes at work and people always freak out about it.
No, they both had two votes. And I thought it was like 3 minutes til EoD!S~V~S wrote:But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.
I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.
I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.LoRab wrote:Epi expressed suspicion of Elo earlier, which interests me because they read each other well. Would love for him to elaborate on his thoughts.
Now, as for my vote today (Day 1) I can see where scotty can be bad. I am moving my vote there. I don't want to vote BWT if I don't have to. Hate to lose a possible civ position even if it's a quiet one.
Elohcin wrote:I knew you had nothing on me. Now I am a top suspect b/c you decided to be silly and call out my name. Thanks a lot, bub.Epignosis wrote:Nice gal. I like her a lot.MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi, please elaborate your feelings regarding Elo if you don't mind.
Do you honestly think I'd have anything concrete to say about her based on the few posts she has, several of which were about thinking the Day ended after 24 hours?
And, why did you change to sanmateo or whatever. Has he/she even posted yet?
You're looking for the Wisard of Oz. This is Mad Max. Wrong game, bub.MovingPictures07 wrote:I want some brains.
I'll give u brains alright.MovingPictures07 wrote:I want some brains.
So in regards to the inconsistency that you believe tou saw, the subject of my post was mostly LoRab ignoring my question. The 1 or 2 quotes above the one you claim to be inconsistent is the subject (the question), and the following quotes were to show that the question was ignored.Sloonei wrote:Taking a look at Wilgy.These represent his first real posts in the game. On the one hand I want to like that he's able to produce a GTH read on the spot, but on the other I can't like it too much since he discredits himself by being honest and telling us he hasn't read the thread. This post does nothing for me.DrWilgy wrote:GTH good.a2thezebra wrote:Null, but GTH good because with what content you have, you haven't given me a reason to think otherwise. Where do you read me?DrWilgy wrote:Where do you read me zeebs?a2thezebra wrote:Voting Ricochet. If anyone's here, ask me questions and I'll ask you questions back. Let's generate some content. Deal?
I have barely read the thread though. What do you think of Mac Declining my invite to team up?
He's at least loosely on the Rico bandwagon here. I don't like that, but he did give a reason to feel that way so it's not the worst. What I do like is his question. I thought it was a good early game, looking-to-get-involved type of question. This brief appearance is what I was referencing earlier when I said I gave him an early town read. When he came in here it looked like he was genuinely trying to both get himself involved and get others thinking about things in the game.DrWilgy wrote:Baddie Rico with potential as Mac temmie.a2thezebra wrote:What is your strongest read at the moment, considering that you haven't fully caught up?
I don't think Rico is the type to lose sight of what would gain him advantage in the game for a policy lynch.
What do you think was the most interesting exchange so far?He lists sprityo as an early baddie read. I'd be interested to hear how that's developed. He also gave me and LoRab gut scum reads. I think he's since dropped the read on me,and his LoRab read seems to have been dependent on Rico being bad as well.DrWilgy wrote:The only other player that I have thought about is Sprityo, whom I gut read as bad.a2thezebra wrote:DrWilgy, do you have any other gut and/or vibe-based reads you would like to share?
I like your analysis of Rico. I'd like an answer from Rico as to why he thought to interject here. Not sure if this has been explained yet or not, but I'm not willing to go back and check.
Zebra, how would you respond to me voting Rico right now?
Sloonei, mind telling me the exchange that interested you most?
Turns out that his most substantial post in the game to this point is a big one about why LoRab is bad. Interesting. I don't think it's all consistent. For instance, the second to last point he makes in this post indicates that a certain post of LoRab's was directed toward him, when it was really directed at Jay.
So I dunno. There's not much here. There are a few things that give me slight town vibes in his post history but nothing overwhelming. A lack of content is always going to be a concern, so I can't do much with Wilgy right now.
I empathized with her frustration, and nothing against her seemed at all compelling to me. I said that this was a "spooky scary" read because other than myself, she was the person generating the most heat at that point in the thread. Not agreeing with the other popular case that could potentially overtake the one against myself wasn't a smart move, and I knew that at the time. But it was my read, and this was at the point of the meltdown where I didn't care what other people thought.motel room wrote:If you come backinsertnamehere wrote:voting glorfindel
if I die tomorrow, legacy reads are as follows
Lorab: scum
motel room: scum
glorf: scum
indi: civ (spooky, scary, I know)
wilgy: civ
literally everyone else I feel biased against.
Why is your read of indiglo spooky scary? You haven't mentioned her at all yet from what I can see.
It's awesome to have you back, my friendinsertnamehere wrote:So.
Let me attempt to clear the air here.
Frankly, I'm ashamed of what I said in the thread, and would honestly prefer for it to be deleted. I hope to move forward for however long I'm in the game in a much more relaxed manner.
I could explain that this was in the middle of a schedule-packed part of my life, but that's an excuse. There's really not a great reason for what I said. It was stupid, petty, and dumb.
I'm catching up with the thread now, and will comment on anything that grabs my attention.
please play again.DharmaHelper wrote:Rainbow lists are dumb and bad
that sounds about right.MovingPictures07 wrote:a gigantic black hole of sheer frustration sucking in my soul.
what do you want from me, motel room?motel room wrote:Here's whats been on my mind -
The silvertongue character can stop a lynch not necessarily "save a person". I don't understand who as town, and silvertongue is town, would have wanted to stop that lynch except for INH. But I want to hear what INH thinks.
If it wasn't him, I don't think silvertongue would have to hide that they had stopped the lynch by contributing to the INH wagon or caring about the EOD tie. Im saying this cos Glorfindel was awfully slow acting (at least what it seemed to me) when he arrived and saw a tie - so I was thinking he could have PM'd the mod then and went to stop the lynch before getting into voting but that doesn't make much sense. So it would be someone off-wagon.
But I want to hear what INH thinks.