Mountain Mafia [END]

[Quin]

Civilian JJJ wouldn't care what the tally was right now.

You are bad.

What? Caring about the tally is fundamental to any JJJ, or frankly any anyone.

I couldn't take that argument seriously. You are right.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

what are these tangible reasons

She provided a big post of non-reads which had mafia utility (appearance of contribution) but little civilian utility. She has numerous posts which do not promote a civilian-oriented pursuit of something; they just exist.

[Epignosis]

To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

[Quin]

maybe following the next leading wagon onto my prime suspect is just one big ball of hey quin what the fuck are you doing buddy but i voted elohcin

[Epignosis]

Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

So much for inspiration.

Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.

I'm voting Dom?

No. I'm voting 3J. You're voting Mesk.

Why can't we communicate?

Because you insist on saying stupid shit about me. That isn't conducive to communication. It's conducive to me thinking you just want to try to get one over on me.

[Kylemii]

oh fuck

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

[Long Con]

Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

So much for inspiration.

Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.

I'm voting Dom?

No. I'm voting 3J. You're voting Mesk.

Why can't we communicate?

Because you insist on saying stupid shit about me. That isn't conducive to communication. It's conducive to me thinking you just want to try to get one over on me.

But you don't understand.

[Sloonei]

To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

can you see no town conviction behind mesk's posts?

[Quin]

I guess I don't hate THIS tie. Someone include Eloh tho pls.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Back to Mesk

[Sloonei]

Jumped ship to mesk.

[Sloonei]

I don't like the vote I just cast. Jay is bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

can you see no town conviction behind mesk's posts?

I referenced earlier the one thing I thought was okay (her handling of Kylemii). I am more moved by the negative than the positive.

[Kylemii]

What are you guys doing. The poll just changed like 16 times it was a potential 4 way tie at one point

Near the end Jay had 5 votes but now Mesk is in the lead again, I think?

[Quin]

What are you guys doing. The poll just changed like 16 times it was a potential 4 way tie at one point

Near the end Jay had 5 votes but now Mesk is in the lead again, I think?

i had a seizure all over the poll that's what

[Long Con]

I have to go to bed. Nite nite!

[Epignosis]

I don't like the vote I just cast. Jay is bad.

I don't like the vote you just cast. I want to say nasty things about you.

[Spacedaisy]

To wait and see the result or not to wait and see the result... hmm

I'm mildly sick and very tired. Not sure I can wait around for Marmot.

[Marmot]

WHAT A MESK!!!

Mesk514 crumpled to the earth. What was once a mountain is now a pile of rock... That funnily enough still looks like a mountain.

Mesk514 has been lynched. She was...

Spoiler: show

Puncak Jaya, Indonesia (4,884 m) - Puncak Jaya is the highest island peak in the world and is located on the island of New Guinea. Due to its location, it is rare to see the summit because of constant clouds, storms, and monsoons. Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night.

It is now Night 3. You have until 22:00 MST (~22 hours from now) to send in your night actions.

[Sloonei]

I don't like the vote I just cast. Jay is bad.

I don't like the vote you just cast. I want to say nasty things about you.

So do I. It was an impulsive emotional decision. I hate ties and always prefer a lynch with a clear decision, so I was focused on avoiding that. I also felt guilty for lynching Jay without any due process. I've played too many games with him to do that with a clean conscience, apparently.
He's my top suspect going into Day 4.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bummer.

It's finally Night 2.

[Quin]

A moment of silence.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to goddamn sleep.

[Sloonei]

Sorry Mesk. Please play with us again.

[Kylemii]

nnnnggg sorry Mesk, but at least this way you don't have to catch up any more...

I hope you'll sign up again.

[Epignosis]

I have a few racial slurs I'd like to issue, but all ya'll honkies are white.

[Epignosis]

To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

-1 is less than 0. I don't even know what that means. I mean, I do, but not in this context.

I would like Long Con to analyze this line of thinking. He likes telling me I'm full of shit. Maybe he can have fun with you for a chance.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to goddamn sleep.

Goddamn right you will be.

[Marmot]

Effective immediately, malakim2099 has replaced Dom.

[Quin]

hey

[Kylemii]

Malakim2099?

[nutella]

Jay is so bad. And Dom is probably on his team.

[nutella]

Sloonei my good fellow what on earth possessed you to change your vote

[Marmot]

DAY 3

Who's gunna blow their top?
Poll ended at Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:41:39 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.


colonialbob
1
6%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy
Dom
3
18%
Voters: Spacedaisy, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005
Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
dunya
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
insertnameher
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
2
12%
Voters: dunya, colonialbob
JaggedJimmyJa
3
18%
Voters: Epignosis, nutella, Long Con
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Mesk514
5
29%
Voters: Kylemii, JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Quin, Sloonei
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Quin
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
speedchuck
1
6%
Voters: Elohcin
Generic other option (for the host and others)
2
12%
Voters: juliets, Marmot
Total votes: 17

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh my word, in this back and forth with Kyle I am feeling like Jack's tone is very sincere... this is why this extended Day 1 situation is bad for me, the more stuff thrown at me the more indecisive I feel... I'll re-evaluate when I get home later tonight. I may change my vote.

It is sincere, but he doesn't have to be a civ to be sincere in this case. Kyle is literally asking him to break the rules. He is an easy position to reply to that. I'd say it's NAI.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also this is the second time I see Jack and Kyle spend a long ass time discussing NAI stuff. ZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dunya setting up the mislynch.

Like it's not common knowledge I'm working extreme hours yet have more posts than anyone this game. Like I'm done at 5 pm.

The intention is to say "Smh. I have Jack a chance but I guess he was a bad townie."

Why would she say these things if she was town and thought I was bad? You don't encourage scum to redirect lynches.

If you have more posts than anyone in this game, then maybe the case on you is unrelated to post count and more related to actual content?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I have a grievance with the amount of times Kyle has used his Pirate Mafia performance as a way to fend off suspicion. He played games somewhere else that he's also talked about but I didn't quote them. No, I don't care that most of these are direct accusations about his Pirates performance. I think he's using meta as a shield.

You should care that those were in direct response to meta accusations. Why wouldn't you care about that?

You're rejecting perceptions before easing concerns. You're saying "I wasn't an active force in Pirates" when you should be saying "I'm actually not someone who takes the front line" if what they're saying is false about your playstyle.

You are reaching so hard I think you'll accidentally touch the sun and get burned. Be careful.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You're rejecting perceptions before easing concerns. You're saying "I wasn't an active force in Pirates" when you should be saying "I'm actually not someone who takes the front line" if what they're saying is false about your playstyle.

Well.... The thing is, I don't really know what I'm like yet.

I'm still in the process of rebuilding and understanding my own meta.

I could tell you how I used to play before I left RM two years ago, I could tell you about how I'd focus so much on mafia that I'd get really burnt out on it and disappear for days at a time and miss votes and sometimes forget to send in night actions. I could tell you how I played before the exodus that happened before that one when I had seemingly boundless energy and consistently made 2x as many posts as anyone else in many of the threads.

None of those are me anymore. Playing the way I used to made me tired and anxious all the time, so I'm making a conscious effort this time around to adjust my meta to be less toxic.

I feel you man. Been through a similar thing lately.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

As much as I despise having no flips, I'm also going to be a hypocrite real quick.

Dom is indeed a no-info lynch. He doesn't provide much help to figuring out the strong anti-alignments we have going on in the thread. Yet, I don't feel like we're starving for info, and I think the mafia kill (if it ever goes through) will be informative.

Dom is the way to go, guys. Let's make this game all about info and less about absent speculation.

linki: welcome aboard Kyle

I'm so glad you and Kyle are voicing mild objection to the Dom lynch. I always want to point out "but we learn nothing from an inactive lynch" but fear I'll look bad if they flip bad. If a scummer fools me into thinking they are good, I can explain that. If I mislynch a fellow townie, I can explain that. If I "defend" a baddie but they never said anything? There's no excuse. But I feel the need to weigh in on game theory and strategy, feel the need to say a Dom flip teach us nothing even as I vote Dom and home Dom gets lynched. Maddening.

Additionally, I'm glad for a really productive several days with lots of antialignments. This is a strong example I can point Realmsers to of all that can be done on "Day 1." The more reads and antialignments turn out to be correct, the better.

I think you read it wrong Speed is defending the Dom lynch.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm still reading page 63 but I'm an impatient kid right now so imma leave this thought.

Usually whenever I play a game that has both Jay and Sloonei in it, I feel like Sloonei is Jay #2.

Like, their playstyles are very similar, but Jay is the protagonist. Sloonei is the sidekick. Jay leads the town. Sloonei helps. They are a fearsome civ duo that way, actually. The Jay 1 and the Jay 2. You don't want to cross their path if you're bad.

In this game, Sloonei is Jay #1.

He leads the town. He leads the conversation. He is the is the guiding light that will take us to victory, or to our doom. But he is the one steering the wheel.

Whatever Jay is, he is not Jay #1. Or even Jay #2. He is something else and I don't know what that is.

At this point I'd expect to be drowing in a sea of Jay. To have so much Jay around me I could barely breathe. But I can breathe just fine. Jay is talking, but he is not seizing control. He is engaging, but not in a way that makes me feel like he is trying to produce perfect reads on everyone on day 1, to make everyone interact with each other, to move the game forward.

He is not in his element. Something is wrong with him. So I'm itching to call him bad. Although, it is possible he might be busy or distracted or just having a bad civ game. It happens. But he is not the civ Jay I know, I'm sure of that.

[Elohcin]

Wow! I cannot believe so many of you stayed up til 2am for mafia. Five pages from 10pm-2am. I looked at the poll, I read a few posts, but tbh, not enough to really understand how y'all came around to mesk. I thought I was the only one who thought she was bad. Y'all know not to listen to cooky eloh, shoot.

Mesk, I hope you join us again sometime soon. You seem like a fun person tonplay with when you're here.

I'm not gonna lie. Even if the lynch was a townie, I'm still happy someone is gone. It helps me form better opinions of others. Dunya... I think you're alright imo now. It eases my mind because I hated that nagging feeling that you were bad.

Alright... it's Thursday and you know what that means... I won't be around. Don't talk too much.

[Elohcin]

I'm still reading page 63 but I'm an impatient kid right now so imma leave this thought.

Usually whenever I play a game that has both Jay and Sloonei in it, I feel like Sloonei is Jay #2.

Like, their playstyles are very similar, but Jay is the protagonist. Sloonei is the sidekick. Jay leads the town. Sloonei helps. They are a fearsome civ duo that way, actually. The Jay 1 and the Jay 2. You don't want to cross their path if you're bad.

In this game, Sloonei is Jay #1.

He leads the town. He leads the conversation. He is the is the guiding light that will take us to victory, or to our doom. But he is the one steering the wheel.

Whatever Jay is, he is not Jay #1. Or even Jay #2. He is something else and I don't know what that is.

At this point I'd expect to be drowing in a sea of Jay. To have so much Jay around me I could barely breathe. But I can breathe just fine. Jay is talking, but he is not seizing control. He is engaging, but not in a way that makes me feel like he is trying to produce perfect reads on everyone on day 1, to make everyone interact with each other, to move the game forward.

He is not in his element. Something is wrong with him. So I'm itching to call him bad. Although, it is possible he might be busy or distracted or just having a bad civ game. It happens. But he is not the civ Jay I know, I'm sure of that.

This post is so poetic. I love it.

I'm not sure how I feel about Jay this game. He is difficult for me to read. But I would agree that he is quieter than usual even though he is participating.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I find Epi's case on Jimmy to be intriguing. I don't think I'll follow it today but Epi and Eloh come out looking better than JJJ in all their recent interactions.

Please elaborate.

I think you're basically describing town Eloh behavior and calling it a case for her badness. Epi calls you out.

Epi is also taking note of the Jack/Dunya square off in a way that doesn't look opportunistic. Feels way different from ME Epi, which is the last bad Epi I can remember. So that makes him look better.

Epi also characterizes your posts as easy analysis or analysis that leads nowhere. I could see the gth excercise that way as well.

I feel like regular civ Jay would be forcing that GTH down our throats and talking about its results all the time. I can barely remember it happened at all.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

This post is so poetic. I love it.

I'm not sure how I feel about Jay this game. He is difficult for me to read. But I would agree that he is quieter than usual even though he is participating.

Thanks. I get inspired sometimes.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Hey sorry I haven't been around for most of the discussion. Been periodically catching up while doing other stuff. I'm cool with the Dom lynch but since there's already a comfortable lead there I'm tempted to put a symbolic vote somewhere, probably Jay at this point tbh.

A symbolic vote on someone who is a lead subject in the lynch discussion at that point?

That isn't much "symbolic" as it is you taking a stance.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually I don't know what the size of Dom's lead was when Nutella made that vote, so I might be wrong here.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm 2 pages from EoD. Mesh lynch still hasn't begun.

And people ask me why I hate CFDs.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I feel like Mesk is at least as likely to be mafia as Dom, but also more informative as there's been people defending and accusing her.

*Mesk*

I'd say the value of the information we obtained from this lynch is almost as meaningful as the hypothetical Dom one. People were treating her like a problem to be removed, just like Dom. They weren't really engaging with her nor was she engaging with anyone.