Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Night 15
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:55 pm
Sea Salt is my real name IRL
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
that's not what that meansBoomslang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:14 pmNO U Vote colonialbob aubergine.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:40 pmOut of an extremely limited pool of suspects?
Also we also almpst lynched you, didn't we? Are we just going to forget about that as well?
this is bad reasoning.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:52 pmHis first role was mafia as fuck and he played in a way that capitalized on it.
That's why I've wanted to loynch him so far. I kind of stopped thinking of it a few times but that feeling never left.
Well of course you lean that way- if not you then me. Sloonei shouldn’t be lynched tomorrow, and SD looks civ as fuck.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:54 pmI have to go to work but I'll answer this in more detail later when I'm off for the day and have had time to review some important details regarding timing and whatnot but right now I'm strongly leaning towards Scotty. like 85%Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:31 pm Let's say Sea Salt that you can only vote for one of the followng four Me Epi or Scotty. Who is it going to be? Because feel confdent that one of us s an Even and am not afrad of beng part of a four PoE pool because I know t's not me. I'd rather put my ass on the lne and get us movng n the rght direction than let the tinfoil lead us off trac. So who is it in your opinion yle?
SVS did I tae myself out of the group? No, I did not. Focus on this group and 'm certan we will get an Even.
Thanks for your non vote for cbob to add to the oh wait you didn’t add anything. You just moved down my list into bad territory again. I think you could definitely be an even. Choosing to abstain with a shitty reason (NO U which was basically Everclear of reasoning) is unacceptable at this point.
Is this to say you disapprove of the theory that has been dominating and guiding the thread for the last three phases?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 pmI don't agree with this method.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:22 pm Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.
Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.
I've seen, what, three roles that make other roles that can look this way or that? All it takes is one mafia role that says, "You can target someone from either tribe."
I swear if people come at me like they did Sloonei, I'm gonna be swinging chairs and shit.
The theory is fine. The method is shit.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:07 pmIs this to say you disapprove of the theory that has been dominating and guiding the thread for the last three phases?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 pmI don't agree with this method.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:22 pm Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.
Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.
I've seen, what, three roles that make other roles that can look this way or that? All it takes is one mafia role that says, "You can target someone from either tribe."
I swear if people come at me like they did Sloonei, I'm gonna be swinging chairs and shit.
This dominating and guiding the thread business is part of the problem. That makes people not part of the dominating and guiding clique feel unimportant. We are 20 some individuals, not a hive mind. We need to keep that in mind and not let us it others off if they don't agree with every aspect of heterodox thought.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:07 pmIs this to say you disapprove of the theory that has been dominating and guiding the thread for the last three phases?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 pmI don't agree with this method.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:22 pm Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.
Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.
I've seen, what, three roles that make other roles that can look this way or that? All it takes is one mafia role that says, "You can target someone from either tribe."
I swear if people come at me like they did Sloonei, I'm gonna be swinging chairs and shit.
If I can dominate and guide the thread, I will do so.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:54 pmThis dominating and guiding the thread business is part of the problem. That makes people not part of the dominating and guiding clique feel unimportant. We are 20 some individuals, not a hive mind. We need to keep that in mind and not let us it others off if they don't agree with every aspect of heterodox thought.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:07 pmIs this to say you disapprove of the theory that has been dominating and guiding the thread for the last three phases?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 pmI don't agree with this method.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:22 pm Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.
Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.
I've seen, what, three roles that make other roles that can look this way or that? All it takes is one mafia role that says, "You can target someone from either tribe."
I swear if people come at me like they did Sloonei, I'm gonna be swinging chairs and shit.
what does this even mean and where am I guilty of doing it?Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:30 pmokay but that implies that a mafia Sloonei would come in and talk about how much they don't care who gets lynched. I don't believe that's true. it wouldn't be good strategy.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:00 pmBecause of what scotty just said. If I'm bad, I'm happy to lynch either of yu. I'd probably even prefer Scotty given his level of activity compared to yours in this game (no offense). I've suspected you over him for several days now and been very clear about this.
and that's exactly what I'm talking about actually. as soon as sprityo died and it was brought up that sprityo's killer could be narrowed down to a small circle of players, you were the one to quickly stratify that grouping of players, placing yourself above the middle
I find it disconcerting that I've been the only one speculating about the possibility of cross-tribe kills. I don't currently believe that it was in play, but we don't know that it wasn't. I'm going to bring that up 100 times out of 100. Also this is a convoluted plan and bad sloon would have just not said "Hey, we still don't know who killed sprit" after wilgy flipped strex when no one else seemed to want to acknowledge that fact....ensuring that at the very least Wilgy, Scotty, and I would be lynched before you would be. you've meanwhile been bringing up the idea that maybe cross tribe kills are actually possible after all, setting things up for the eventuality where all that's left in the PoE is you and Epignosis, at which point you'd have bought 4-5 cycles in which to either expand PoE or figure something else out.
I wanted to get people to consider my motives because I felt I was being tunneled. I'm vindicated now, right? we can accept that I was being tunneled and that lynch was an errant one, can't we? I was trying to push people off of me. I was hoping others might arrive at the civilian indicators in my behavior if I guided them there. You misconstrued these actions to justify a vote for me, it seems. I get self-preservation, but you pursued me in a way that I'm not sure I like.that's not to say that the only reason why you'd treat the PoE in the way you've done would be for those reasons but I think saying that being specific about your lynches RE the sprityo murder crime is an indication of you being civ is false. I think you'd push the same sort of investigation regardless of whether you were the one who did the murder
"Potentially self-serving... shouldn't be a reason to trust him." It seemed more like you were denying any potential for good-doing on my behalf because my actions were "potentially self-serving". First off, all my actions are self-serving. Second, of course there's potential for nefariousness in things. But there's also potential for honesty in those same things. My beef with you here, which I was desperately trying to get across while also running around at work, was that you seemed to be turning a completely blind eye toward the other side of this argument. I don't see you leaving the door open at all to consider that I wasn't doing the things you were accusing me of, and that you were even willfully ignoring the points which would work against you (ie, my town read on Daisy).Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:12 pmwhat I said about sloonei had basically nothing to do with you. my point was that Sloonei's order of operations for the process of elimination on the whole pika2.0 thing was potentially self-serving and shouldn't qualify as a reason to trust him.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:51 pmI don't understand why you would suspect Sloonei for giving you a surface read of civ for me, but not suspect me?
Yeah, see? This is bullshit. For one, Scotty is one of my top town reads, which is the reason I've been so damn conflicted about this whole thing for the last week. But I'm not certain about him, so he's not someone I felt comfortable dismissing right away. And then you go on to deny the relevance of my read on Daisy to your read on me. It seems like it should be a central aspect to all of this, but you're just denying that it means much of anything here and continuing to push forward with the one-sided view of me. Either you are trapped in a tunnel due to circumstances, or you're bad and trying to force a justification for the vote you know you need to put on me.him putting you high up on the list for reasons that he also applied to scotty, who was low on his list doesn't look good to me.
your being good or bad isn't particularly relevant to Sloonei's treatment of you and others in regards to the PoE. the only way Sloonei pulling you away from the fire looks bad for both you and him is if you're both evens, which seems unlikely and also isn't the point that I'm arguing.
This vote got me lynched.Boomslang wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:14 pmNO U Vote colonialbob aubergine.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:40 pmOut of an extremely limited pool of suspects?
Also we also almpst lynched you, didn't we? Are we just going to forget about that as well?
no. that's not actually it. I mean... yeah the fact that I know I'm innocent informs my decision but it's more than that.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:53 pmWell of course you lean that way- if not you then me. Sloonei shouldn’t be lynched tomorrow, and SD looks civ as fuck.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:54 pmI have to go to work but I'll answer this in more detail later when I'm off for the day and have had time to review some important details regarding timing and whatnot but right now I'm strongly leaning towards Scotty. like 85%Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:31 pm Let's say Sea Salt that you can only vote for one of the followng four Me Epi or Scotty. Who is it going to be? Because feel confdent that one of us s an Even and am not afrad of beng part of a four PoE pool because I know t's not me. I'd rather put my ass on the lne and get us movng n the rght direction than let the tinfoil lead us off trac. So who is it in your opinion yle?
SVS did I tae myself out of the group? No, I did not. Focus on this group and 'm certan we will get an Even.
I’m strongly leaning towards you, like 100%.
Quin goes off the main path for his suspects, but still makes sure his vote counts. If he's bad, he's hinted at suspecting me a number of times earlier in the game and could have followed through on that with an easy vote. Instead he expressed his internal conflict, stated his preferences, and voted for Kyle. Leaning town on Quin2.
The former. But I'm motivated and less busy now. So I'm looking at you because this post doesn't really contribute anything other than to pile shade on me when I was floundering. So I went looking for the justification of your eventual vote for me. It doesn't exist. Help me out. I see you've been mentioning me as a suspect for a while, but I don't see anything backing that up either. why should I trust you?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:44 pmIt's easy to say that when the thread is dead and you are the one doing the most talking in it.
What posts would you make? Endless post-by-post analysis of every post in the game? There's only so much of that one can do before they get bored or realize they could be doing somethinhg useful. Besides one could say making 500 posts in a day when everyone else makes 100 combined is counter-productive to the civilians. You drown discussion in your posts and nobody reads all of them.
Are you posting less than your usual because you are busy, or because the thread is dead so you don't need to say more to dominate it?
I'd be hella pissed at this if you hadn't also vaguely proclaimed Kyle as a slight civ read earlier in the day. That said...insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:55 pm fuck it
voting sloonei to tie it up, and to see how others react
[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:46 am ... Kyle is also pretty null, and someone I plan on ISO'ing at some point...
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:15 pm
Kyle is someone I don't have particularly strong feelings one way or the other. I was convinced his behavior in LOTR was scummy, but I was proven hella wrong. I haven't really figured out how to read him. He feels like the "easiest" lynch out of the group.
You seemed to be shrugging at him for a while, but then when the cards were on the table you listlessly flopped onto me and declared that Kyle was now a town read based on a game that is not this one.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:12 pm I'm feeling fairly conflicted here. The cases against Kyle keep reminding me of LOTR Mafia, when I was convinced he was scum. Instead, we were both hella town. I highly doubt my vote's going there today.
how?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:10 pm Could be a civ or bad role.
Better for a bad than a civ but that can describe every role.
you postured yourself so you were never in the PoE pool by putting 3 players as lynch priorities,
what?I find it disconcerting that I've been the only one speculating about the possibility of cross-tribe kills. I don't currently believe that it was in play, but we don't know that it wasn't. I'm going to bring that up 100 times out of 100. Also this is a convoluted plan and bad sloon would have just not said "Hey, we still don't know who killed sprit" after wilgy flipped strex when no one else seemed to want to acknowledge that fact.
your motivations re: spacedaisy only make sense now with the context of your role, there was no reason to believe that was the case prior to the flip. we hadn't seen any pseudo info type roles so i was under the impression that there just wasn't anything like that in this setup.I wanted to get people to consider my motives because I felt I was being tunneled. I'm vindicated now, right? we can accept that I was being tunneled and that lynch was an errant one, can't we? I was trying to push people off of me. I was hoping others might arrive at the civilian indicators in my behavior if I guided them there. You misconstrued these actions to justify a vote for me, it seems. I get self-preservation, but you pursued me in a way that I'm not sure I like.
i wasn't accusing you of being bad for doing the things you did, I was explaining why your explanation for how you couldn't possibly be bad because you were accusing some players more than others was faulty.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:17 am"Potentially self-serving... shouldn't be a reason to trust him." It seemed more like you were denying any potential for good-doing on my behalf because my actions were "potentially self-serving". First off, all my actions are self-serving. Second, of course there's potential for nefariousness in things. But there's also potential for honesty in those same things. My beef with you here, which I was desperately trying to get across while also running around at work, was that you seemed to be turning a completely blind eye toward the other side of this argument. I don't see you leaving the door open at all to consider that I wasn't doing the things you were accusing me of, and that you were even willfully ignoring the points which would work against you (ie, my town read on Daisy).
Ok but see? don't you see the contradiction there? spacedaisy were both top town reads for you but you ONLY considered the possibilities of a bad Scotty and never considered the possibilities of a bad spacedaisy.Yeah, see? This is bullshit. For one, Scotty is one of my top town reads, which is the reason I've been so damn conflicted about this whole thing for the last week. But I'm not certain about him, so he's not someone I felt comfortable dismissing right away. And then you go on to deny the relevance of my read on Daisy to your read on me. It seems like it should be a central aspect to all of this, but you're just denying that it means much of anything here and continuing to push forward with the one-sided view of me. Either you are trapped in a tunnel due to circumstances, or you're bad and trying to force a justification for the vote you know you need to put on me.
That's... that's what this game is about. what?
I was just referring to the topic which has been the driving force in this game (the Pika2 killer) for the last several days. Everyone has a voice and no one should be included, and that's kind of why I was questioning Epi here. I thought he was suddenly objecting to this approach after watching us all chase it around for a few days. But I misunderstood him.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:54 pmThis dominating and guiding the thread business is part of the problem. That makes people not part of the dominating and guiding clique feel unimportant. We are 20 some individuals, not a hive mind. We need to keep that in mind and not let us it others off if they don't agree with every aspect of heterodox thought.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:07 pmIs this to say you disapprove of the theory that has been dominating and guiding the thread for the last three phases?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:48 pmI don't agree with this method.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:22 pm Look guys we know that there is an Even among the group left from pikachu 2.0. That at this point should narrow your list down to Epi, me, Kyle and Scotty. You are going to get a badde out of one the four of us. Please don't fuck around outside of this group. Let's lynch an Even and see if the game continues and reevaluate from there. This is why I voted Kyle. I could vote Kyle or Scotty again tomorrow. I won't be putting my vote anywhere other than one of those two.
Sorry I couldn't stop the lynch train Sloonster.
I've seen, what, three roles that make other roles that can look this way or that? All it takes is one mafia role that says, "You can target someone from either tribe."
I swear if people come at me like they did Sloonei, I'm gonna be swinging chairs and shit.
you clipped out the context, that was specifically referring to your level of honesty re: your read on SD.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:57 am...no? do you think that mafia members only exclusively tell lies about their reads?
do you see no possible variation of events where you would ever townread a player while being a mafia member
I removed myself from my own POE because why on the earth would I not? I never told others that they needed to do the same. Except for that one time where I literally did exactly that, but whatever.
what?[/quote]Civilians do not know what the Mafia team kill mechanics are like. we do not know for certain that they needed to target players in the same tribe as them.I find it disconcerting that I've been the only one speculating about the possibility of cross-tribe kills. I don't currently believe that it was in play, but we don't know that it wasn't. I'm going to bring that up 100 times out of 100. Also this is a convoluted plan and bad sloon would have just not said "Hey, we still don't know who killed sprit" after wilgy flipped strex when no one else seemed to want to acknowledge that fact.
your motivations re: spacedaisy only make sense now with the context of your role, there was no reason to believe that was the case prior to the flip. we hadn't seen any pseudo info type roles so i was under the impression that there just wasn't anything like that in this setup.[/quote]You were under the impression that this wacky ass, gigantic role madness game which restricts info-dumping featured 0 information roles?I wanted to get people to consider my motives because I felt I was being tunneled. I'm vindicated now, right? we can accept that I was being tunneled and that lynch was an errant one, can't we? I was trying to push people off of me. I was hoping others might arrive at the civilian indicators in my behavior if I guided them there. You misconstrued these actions to justify a vote for me, it seems. I get self-preservation, but you pursued me in a way that I'm not sure I like.
i wasn't accusing you of being bad for doing the things you did, I was explaining why your explanation for how you couldn't possibly be bad because you were accusing some players more than others was faulty.[/quote]I wasn't explaining why I couldn't possibly be bad.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:17 am"Potentially self-serving... shouldn't be a reason to trust him." It seemed more like you were denying any potential for good-doing on my behalf because my actions were "potentially self-serving". First off, all my actions are self-serving. Second, of course there's potential for nefariousness in things. But there's also potential for honesty in those same things. My beef with you here, which I was desperately trying to get across while also running around at work, was that you seemed to be turning a completely blind eye toward the other side of this argument. I don't see you leaving the door open at all to consider that I wasn't doing the things you were accusing me of, and that you were even willfully ignoring the points which would work against you (ie, my town read on Daisy).
Ok but see? don't you see the contradiction there? spacedaisy were both top town reads for you but you ONLY considered the possibilities of a bad Scotty and never considered the possibilities of a bad spacedaisy.Yeah, see? This is bullshit. For one, Scotty is one of my top town reads, which is the reason I've been so damn conflicted about this whole thing for the last week. But I'm not certain about him, so he's not someone I felt comfortable dismissing right away. And then you go on to deny the relevance of my read on Daisy to your read on me. It seems like it should be a central aspect to all of this, but you're just denying that it means much of anything here and continuing to push forward with the one-sided view of me. Either you are trapped in a tunnel due to circumstances, or you're bad and trying to force a justification for the vote you know you need to put on me.
I think mafia members are inherently inclined to give reads that they don't believe in, and thus are more likely to tell lies, yes.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:57 am...no? do you think that mafia members only exclusively tell lies about their reads?
do you see no possible variation of events where you would ever townread a player while being a mafia member
I was fairly convinced there was a good chance you were bad up until quin posted something about having an idea what was going on between you and SD that made me think you might have been masons or something. i was getting ready to suggest a cfd on like a 3rd player or something but there wasn't enough time left.
this was the actual moment it hit me
Can you summarize the reasons why you thought I might be bad if you haven't already repeated them a bunch of times?Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:14 amI was fairly convinced there was a good chance you were bad up until quin posted something about having an idea what was going on between you and SD that made me think you might have been masons or something. i was getting ready to suggest a cfd on like a 3rd player or something but there wasn't enough time left.
this was the actual moment it hit me
in what scenario would a mafia member ever lie about a town read, barring the scenario where the read in question were their teammate? by definition mafia members are almost always telling the truth about their town reads.
sloonei you were citing your specific behaviors as being purely indicative of civ alignment and they weren't so I disputed it directly because i was putting your level of authenticity into question. that was kind of the whole point.I see possible scenarios where a mafia member can earnestly town read a player. But I don't see how you could have arrived at a suspicion of me based on a behavior of mine without any consideration of its level of authenticity.
Throw the word "lie" out then. A mafia member giving a town read on a town player is still a false read because it's not something they deduced or worked toward. It's just something that they know. It's a dishonest read in the sense that it's not actually a read at all.
sloonei you were citing your specific behaviors as being purely indicative of civ alignment and they weren't so I disputed it directly because i was putting your level of authenticity into question. that was kind of the whole point.I see possible scenarios where a mafia member can earnestly town read a player. But I don't see how you could have arrived at a suspicion of me based on a behavior of mine without any consideration of its level of authenticity.
Yeah, this is the reason you cited for suspecting me.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:46 pmthis is what bugs me as well. I don't have a problem with sloonei townreading SD for vague reasons by itself, but the fact that she's being excluded from the process of elimination pool with no presented reason other than good vibes seems shady, when he's presenting the narrative that it has to be Scotty or me because it can't be the other two or himselfcolonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:34 pmBecause civs generally have a reason for civ-reading somebody so strongly. Nobody was asking for a case with posting history laid out chapter and verse, but you didn't even say "I feel her reads are genuine, particularly of X and Y" or whatever. Your read of her is a smooth surface that we can't interact with.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:30 amWhy?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:52 am Sloonei dancing around the "why is SD town" question makes me want to vote for him.
that's not what im saying at allSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:31 am Kyle, I am increasingly ready to lynch you. Your arguments make no logical sense to me. Why would Sloonei include himself in considering who his personal PoE pool has been limited to? That was what Sloonei was doing, not posturing, he was the playing the game. Neither Civ nor mafia in their right mind would ever include themselves as possibly being a contender in their own personal PoE pool of suspects.
I'm to blame for pushing the narratives which I thought were most likely to result in a successful lynch? what about the people who followed my suggestions, if any of this is even bad? So far the only person to be mislynched from all of this is me.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:45 amthat's not what im saying at allSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:31 am Kyle, I am increasingly ready to lynch you. Your arguments make no logical sense to me. Why would Sloonei include himself in considering who his personal PoE pool has been limited to? That was what Sloonei was doing, not posturing, he was the playing the game. Neither Civ nor mafia in their right mind would ever include themselves as possibly being a contender in their own personal PoE pool of suspects.
obviously sloonei didn't need to include himself in his own PoE. I was saying that Sloonei avoided being in the PoE pool in general by jumping in and leading the charge on the whole PoE thing early and pushing specific narratives so that he was out of the firing line. Wilgy was lynched because of Sloonei's PoE. Scotty and I were put into the fire because of Sloonei's PoE etc etc etc.