The Syndicate

Is there a good reason Jessie deserves death over M Plus 7?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 2:43 pm Is there a good reason Jessie deserves death over M Plus 7?

I think if mp had drawn a mafia card he would at least try to show up and vote but idk his life is crazy I guess. But Jesse has some actual meat in a couple posts that I can find reason to criticize, like the one speed quoted/you highlighted was super weird

I think I've seen examples of fully inactive mafioso MP, though I cannot recall specifically. Over the last few years he has been very much all or nothing either way.

I do agree at least that some concrete suspicion can be stated for Jessie. He made posts relevant to the Mafia game. For MP it's an absence of civilian.

I always tend to ignore full inactives over semi-inactives.

I feel Jessie is likely to show up in Day 6, make 3 posts and resume being hard to read, while MP is likely to just get modkilled at some point. Or policy lynched if Sloonei doesn't do the former.

I think sloonei is unlikely to do modkills since he is aiming to replicate the champs format, it's unfortunate he couldn't find another replacement though

Well at least rdw showed up tbh

Also i thought colonialbob or whatever was gonna sub in because i saw him online on the forum while i was dying last night but i guess it wasnt meant to be

Re: does anyone have a reason to vote Speed

I think a lot of your humor posts are attempts to buddy so call it a tinfoil vote

Nutella voting with me makes me less confident ;(

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 2:48 pm I think I've seen examples of fully inactive mafioso MP, though I cannot recall specifically. Over the last few years he has been very much all or nothing either way.

Last game I played where I subbed for mp7 as mafia he at least made an attempt to play

Same with tsaiah.

I get the feeling tsaiah at least didnt realize the game was starting due to the fact that champs started up around the same time and I know mp7 didnt think the game was gonna run either

That’s before the rand tho so

I think it’s funny that rdw felt the necessity to state he’s town tracker tho

Like it doesnt do anything really but insist he’s town while also role claiming

That being said him showing up at least makes me wanna lynch Jesse instead

Around 5pm when my ride gets here and I gotta load up all my stuff and vanish is when I think i’ll make my final decision regarding speed/ jesse lynch

[VOTE: JessieK] aubergine

I read a little bit. I don't have as much time as I originally thought I did. I think my vote is going on Jk today.

His first post or one of his early posts on day 2 seemed awkward to me. It could just be the late arrival.

Sup.

Owner voting Jessie makes me hesitant on his lynch. Looks like an attempt to save RDW. Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself. I think there's one mafia in his wagon, and one mafia in my wagon. If I had to guess, it'd be Rdw and Owner.

Both players have had zero interactions with each other and I don't believe Owner has talked about Rdw at all, not even in her recant post. I'ma iso Owner's posts to see if I'm right.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:40 pm Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself.

You think a townie wouldn't attempt to save himself?

Luxurious wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:40 pm I think a lot of your humor posts are attempts to buddy so call it a tinfoil vote

Examples?

Luxurious wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:45 pm I think it’s funny that rdw felt the necessity to state he’s town tracker tho

Like it doesnt do anything really but insist he’s town while also role claiming

That being said him showing up at least makes me wanna lynch Jesse instead

The claim makes me feel exactly nothing.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:40 pm Owner voting Jessie makes me hesitant on his lynch. Looks like an attempt to save RDW. Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself. I think there's one mafia in his wagon, and one mafia in my wagon. If I had to guess, it'd be Rdw and Owner.

Both players have had zero interactions with each other and I don't believe Owner has talked about Rdw at all, not even in her recant post. I'ma iso Owner's posts to see if I'm right.

I believe that when RDW voted for you, speedchuck had the most votes. Can that be purely about saving himself?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:47 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:40 pm Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself.

You think a townie wouldn't attempt to save himself?

They might, sure, but doing something like that is something I more expect a wolf to do as there's more reason for why they'd do that than a townie.

Also, I think a townie is more likely to not care or try to save themselves instead just give up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:53 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:40 pm Owner voting Jessie makes me hesitant on his lynch. Looks like an attempt to save RDW. Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself. I think there's one mafia in his wagon, and one mafia in my wagon. If I had to guess, it'd be Rdw and Owner.

Both players have had zero interactions with each other and I don't believe Owner has talked about Rdw at all, not even in her recant post. I'ma iso Owner's posts to see if I'm right.

I believe that when RDW voted for you, speedchuck had the most votes. Can that be purely about saving himself?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:47 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:40 pm Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself.

You think a townie wouldn't attempt to save himself?

They might, sure, but doing something like that is something I more expect a wolf to do as there's more reason for why they'd do that than a townie.

Also, I think a townie is more likely to not care or try to save themselves instead just give up.

That's kind of redundant/not really a reason lol. You don't think a townie cares for self preservation when the game depends on the numbers?

You stand charged with copious TMI, a huge cobb salad, and a general unwillingness to adapt your reads to the developments of the game day to day.

The entire extent of Dragomir interactions with Ultra

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:17 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:08 pm Yeah okay.

We got one.

Agreed that this entrance was awkward, especially in hindisight with his no lynch proposition

But then you proceeded to shade like 3 other people so I'm going to ask you how serious you are about this slot.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:03 pm DDL taking opportunities to answer soft questions and discredit early effort before it exists. bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:01 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:02 am What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

With this mindset you ensure that it cannot have a point. bad

Eh. D0 isn't useless, but it does present a lot of opportunity to shade people over NAI.

By the way, your powerpoint is unintentionally hilarious.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:35 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:04 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:02 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:00 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:58 pm

Why concern then

Cuz he has nothing to base his read on.

The way you talked before made it sound like you’d done something??? Does that mean no matter your alignment you dont post well??

I mean, regardless of alignment I shit post. That is my modus operandi. Such that JJJ can't possibly have a town read on me yet, given I would do this regardless of what I am.

So are you trying to say that he's pocketing you?

What do you think, Dragomir?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:40 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:56 pm Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

This reeks of chainsaw defense.

I'm not sure what to think yet so I want to hear his opinion on it first as I know no one's meta here.

Looks like it might fall on nutella to make the confident final decision.

(not just her but this is an in-joke)

Good morning.

Dragomir getting votes. Nice.

Do speed and dragomir have role claims? I seem to recall that they do but am unsure.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:47 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:40 pm Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself.

You think a townie wouldn't attempt to save himself?

They might, sure, but doing something like that is something I more expect a wolf to do as there's more reason for why they'd do that than a townie.

Also, I think a townie is more likely to not care or try to save themselves instead just give up.

That's kind of redundant/not really a reason lol. You don't think a townie cares for self preservation when the game depends on the numbers?

No, not really.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:47 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:40 pm Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself.

You think a townie wouldn't attempt to save himself?

They might, sure, but doing something like that is something I more expect a wolf to do as there's more reason for why they'd do that than a townie.

Also, I think a townie is more likely to not care or try to save themselves instead just give up.

That's kind of redundant/not really a reason lol. You don't think a townie cares for self preservation when the game depends on the numbers?

No, not really.

Well this at least holds up with the Day 2 poll.

Drago was the counterwagon to Soneji and he left his vote solo on DDL.

Dragomir has been the most suspicious person since then and has somehow avoided lynching and the tide keeps turning away from him. I wonder why. Can we lynch him now please.

[mention]Dragomir[/mention], just a basic question:

In the absence of the DDL green peek, would your reads right now be different at all from what they were on Day 1?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:40 pm You stand charged with copious TMI, a huge cobb salad, and a general unwillingness to adapt your reads to the developments of the game day to day.

TMI my ass. I had pinged 2 players as hard towns on perfectly logical reasons. You guys might do some bad things but one must have to ignore a great deal of things that proves you being town to say that you're scum and I find that asinine.

The salad means nothing. That shit is only bad if the player just suggest a bunch of ppl but then does nothing to push on them later on or has done nothing to push on them in past. The player is being passive and sheepish. That makes a salad really bad imo. If a player has been pushing for their salad players all game or at least tried to make cases on them, a salad is not scummy.

Why is this a bad thing and why should my reads have changed? Literally all the players in my scum reads have done absolutely nothing to convince to me that they're town. Not a single post of theirs is even town to me so why in bloody name's should my read change? The only that made me change my read on DDL was a cop invest. Like hell, how they interacted with Ultra hardly helps their(my scum reads) case if it does at all. I even ended up with a stronger scum read on Owner and DDL based off how Ultra's flip.

These reasonings against me are ludicrous.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pm @Dragomir, just a basic question:

In the absence of the DDL green peek, would your reads right now be different at all from what they were on Day 1?

Absolutely not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:52 pm Dragomir has been the most suspicious person since then and has somehow avoided lynching and the tide keeps turning away from him. I wonder why. Can we lynch him now please.

Because I'm not as suspicious as you guys actually believe.

I disagree

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:58 pmI disagree

I disagree harder.

Oh in that case.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:40 pm You stand charged with copious TMI, a huge cobb salad, and a general unwillingness to adapt your reads to the developments of the game day to day.

TMI my ass. I had pinged 2 players as hard towns on perfectly logical reasons. You guys might do some bad things but one must have to ignore a great deal of things that proves you being town to say that you're scum and I find that asinine.

I don't think you've been "illogical". I also don't think that's the full extent of the conversation -- indeed, I have long believed that fiercely "logical" play is as much the mark of the mafioso as the civilian, and for some people moreso. Do you have any kind of feelings underlying your reads?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pmThe salad means nothing. That shit is only bad if the player just suggest a bunch of ppl but then does nothing to push on them later on or has done nothing to push on them in past. The player is being passive and sheepish. That makes a salad really bad imo. If a player has been pushing for their salad players all game or at least tried to make cases on them, a salad is not scummy.

I've seen it come from bad guys too many times to discard it as readily as you are asking me to discard it. It may not be a case that you can answer to beyond defaults, so I will leave it there. This tell is something unique to The Syndicate.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pmWhy is this a bad thing and why should my reads have changed? Literally all the players in my scum reads have done absolutely nothing to convince to me that they're town. Not a single post of theirs is even town to me so why in bloody name's should my read change? The only that made me change my read on DDL was a cop invest. Like hell, how they interacted with Ultra hardly helps their(my scum reads) case if it does at all. I even ended up with a stronger scum read on Owner and DDL based off how Ultra's flip.

These reasonings against me are ludicrous.

The highlighted portion can be questioned. I don't know that I have seen you make much of an effort to see your suspects from a different perspective, or to consider alternative explanations -- at least not until your hand was forced.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pm @Dragomir, just a basic question:

In the absence of the DDL green peek, would your reads right now be different at all from what they were on Day 1?

Absolutely not.

Would you say this kind of mindset is commonplace for you in Mafia games?

Dragomir, what is the single worst thing about RDW in this game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:48 pm Do speed and dragomir have role claims? I seem to recall that they do but am unsure.

I dont. Do you want one?

I'm visiting family but I can claim. Won't change much.

The idea here was to have a talk.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:48 pm Do speed and dragomir have role claims? I seem to recall that they do but am unsure.

I dont. Do you want one?

I'm visiting family but I can claim. Won't change much.

Don't see much to gain right now from that

30 minutes remain.

I suppose about thirteen people did say they won't be around. k