The Syndicate

Canucklehead wrote: while I'm at it, here are some other people who have seemed incredibly low-key/blendy to me (and who I think have a chance of being opportunistically using Made-stravaganza to their advantage): Mongoose, LoRab, Dana, ninja jujube , splints, bea, Hedgie. I do not think they are all bad, and I'm not necessarily suspicious of all of them equally, but these are names that, when I try to think of what they've been up to in this game and where they stand, I mostly draw a blank.

Dana wrote:

Canucklehead wrote: while I'm at it, here are some other people who have seemed incredibly low-key/blendy to me (and who I think have a chance of being opportunistically using Made-stravaganza to their advantage): Mongoose, LoRab, Dana, ninja jujube , splints, bea, Hedgie. I do not think they are all bad, and I'm not necessarily suspicious of all of them equally, but these are names that, when I try to think of what they've been up to in this game and where they stand, I mostly draw a blank.

If I may direct your attention to page 53, you can see where I stand and how I feel about pretty much everyone.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dana wrote:

Canucklehead wrote: while I'm at it, here are some other people who have seemed incredibly low-key/blendy to me (and who I think have a chance of being opportunistically using Made-stravaganza to their advantage): Mongoose, LoRab, Dana, ninja jujube , splints, bea, Hedgie. I do not think they are all bad, and I'm not necessarily suspicious of all of them equally, but these are names that, when I try to think of what they've been up to in this game and where they stand, I mostly draw a blank.

If I may direct your attention to page 53, you can see where I stand and how I feel about pretty much everyone.

Some of us have our settings set differently. For me we are currently on page 52.

Links or quotes work best.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well Long Con, looks like you were right. I believed you, but even if we had the time, I think it would have been too late to change everyone's votes.

I'll be on tomorrow morning to chat.

Agreed, and there was so much doubt surrounding the whole situation, we couldn't just let him go. Feels off that you'd say you "believed" me... I didn't know anything, it just seemed like it was still a good possibility. What are your next moves here... Suspicions?

Well, here was my post.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I understand that Made has to be lynched, but if there were wagers on the outcome, I would put a small bet on him being the Civvie role that A Person's lynch alludes to. A small bet, as in I'm not super confident, but I still kind of think it.

Too much reasonable doubt though.

So you think that maybe the secrets to AP's role are that he would sacrifice himself for the surival of Lancelot? That fits with the movie description. I am actually very inclined to believe this.

This would mean that Made is Sir Lancelot though. Hmm...

I don't recall anyone else offering such a hypothesis, but it made complete sense as to why AP was lynched. I never did read the details on AP's role, which clearly would have helped.

I was picking up what you were laying down.

I'm going to do some more reading today. SVS looks like a notable target, but that seems to me like an easy way out.

Canucklehead wrote:I'm not sure how you missed that, tbqh. Or am I misunderstanding your exchange with LC?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm not sure how you missed that, tbqh. Or am I misunderstanding your exchange with LC?

No you understood correct. Maybe because it was so oblique that I didn't notice the allusions before.

That's interesting, if some people thought it likely, why vote for Made anyway?

thellama73 wrote: Frankly, at this point, the only chance I think I have at understanding this game at all depends on knowing Made's role. I am going to cast my vote for him now. I have to know!

Bullzeye wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I'm not sure how you missed that, tbqh. Or am I misunderstanding your exchange with LC?

No you understood correct. Maybe because it was so oblique that I didn't notice the allusions before.

That's interesting, if some people thought it likely, why vote for Made anyway?

I personally thought there was a small chance but that it was based on a big assumption. It occurred to me that if Made had been bad, and his team had switched the lynch, then the Lancelot theory would be something they'd either propose themselves or strongly promote as fact. There was also the matter of Made's behaviour throughout the game being wild and suspicious. I weighed the good against the bad and felt that it was more likely for him to be a baddie.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:My logic against the lynch switch directly after it happened was that it typically requires each party to have at least one vote. AP did not receive a vote until the very last second of the day period, so Made could not have known when he would ask for the switch that AP would have been a viable option.

But this was countered by the argument that anyone can have the lynch switched to them.

Linki: How could Made affirm such a thing? That would easily be rule-breaking and get him MK'd anyway.

Dana wrote:Friends, let me present to you my prime suspect: thellama73

So the day that Made was actually lynched, it may seem like SVS led everyone to vote for him, but don't forget that it was Llama who planted the seed. I feel like Llama could now being using SVS (who I don't think is bad) as cover to get yet another good guy lynched tomorrow.

Llama also seems to be picking the littlest things to focus on and target people with.

Example one: Made's comment in the first day challenge thing. That tiny little insignificant "haha I bet they aren't doing this on the other team" statement became such a big deal and dominated the thread for pages and pages. Why? Because Llama was convinced it meant Made had baddie btsc.

Example two: LC's question. Yes, I admit it was a little odd, but not THAT weird. Especially not enough to still be bringing up and talking about and focusing on. Of course wording is important but I don't think LC saying "Who do you think will be lynched?" instead of "Who do you want to lynch?" was as big of a deal as Llama is making it out to be.

I also did not like AT ALL his reasoning for voting Made the day MR was lynched.

thellama73 wrote: Frankly, at this point, the only chance I think I have at understanding this game at all depends on knowing Made's role. I am going to cast my vote for him now. I have to know!

This is not okay with me at all. We all want to know what other's roles are but I don't think that's a good enough reason to lynch someone. This seemed to me very much like a "lynch him and get it overwith" attitude. As long as Made wasn't on his team, might as well vote for him and get him killed, right? There was definitely a lot of suspicion on Made the whole game, but I feel like Llama wasn't actually trying to figure out honestly if Made was good or bad. Llama didn't seem to care and just wanted Made gone, which I find super fishy.

Dana wrote:Friends, let me present to you my prime suspect: thellama73

Dana wrote: So the day that Made was actually lynched, it may seem like SVS led everyone to vote for him, but don't forget that it was Llama who planted the seed. I feel like Llama could now being using SVS (who I don't think is bad) as cover to get yet another good guy lynched tomorrow.

Dana wrote: Llama also seems to be picking the littlest things to focus on and target people with.

Boogs wrote:

juliets wrote:I agree I'd like to hear more from Boogs. I'm just not getting a good vibe there for reasons I covered earlier as well as bwt's point that he's only posted about Made and Enrique. Who are you suspicious of boogs? Can you name a couple of people you are suspicious of and reasons like most of us have done?

I think SVS has been acting strange with the Made stuff to almost build credibility for the lynch, however maybe she saw something else we didn't when we cast our votes.
Also JC, I have a really weird feeling about Bullzeye recently. I know he has sseemed blendy to me but i kind of think we should explore his behavior and i may want to put my vote there. Something doesnt feel right about him to me.

Canucklehead wrote:- while I'm at it, here are some other people who have seemed incredibly low-key/blendy to me (and who I think have a chance of being opportunistically using Made-stravaganza to their advantage): Mongoose, LoRab, Dana, ninja jujube , splints, bea, Hedgie. I do not think they are all bad, and I'm not necessarily suspicious of all of them equally, but these are names that, when I try to think of what they've been up to in this game and where they stand, I mostly draw a blank.

Dana wrote:Llama also seems to be picking the littlest things to focus on and target people with.

fingersplints wrote: bullz - Since you will rightfully ask, it was the comment about the recruit and the subsequent comments about how you were seeing how I would react. I understand that that may be what you were doing, but I tend to overreact a lot so a part of me wonders if you were trying to set me up to react a certain way to make me look bad. I do not feel strongly about you, so I think you are just on a watch list atm for me.

juliets wrote:Dana, I can understand the civ vote or even if there were civ votes, but can you explain why you missed the vote 3 times ? That's a lot for as few days we have been playing.

thellama73 wrote: And yet you've voted in every night poll, despite having half as long to do so.

fingersplints wrote:

Dana wrote:Llama also seems to be picking the littlest things to focus on and target people with.

I haven't played with him a lot, but from what I have this seems to be pretty standard for him.
I am not sure how I feel about him this game yet, for the record.

Dana wrote:

juliets wrote:Dana, I can understand the civ vote or even if there were civ votes, but can you explain why you missed the vote 3 times ? That's a lot for as few days we have been playing.

The first day I didn't know we had moved threads, so I was about 10 pages or so behind and I didn't want to vote without knowing the story. The other two times I was unsure and didn't want to unintentionally contribute to killing a good guy. I felt pretty sure about MR and that didn't turn out well at all.

thellama73 wrote:

Dana wrote:Friends, let me present to you my prime suspect: thellama73

Awesome. Let me address both your points in turn.

Dana wrote: So the day that Made was actually lynched, it may seem like SVS led everyone to vote for him, but don't forget that it was Llama who planted the seed. I feel like Llama could now being using SVS (who I don't think is bad) as cover to get yet another good guy lynched tomorrow.

I never tried to conceal the fact that I wanted Made dead in the slightest. I said so more than once. I never tried to pretend I wasn't leading the lynch. I have been his strongest adversary all game and did nothing to hide that. It is all out in the open.

Dana wrote: Llama also seems to be picking the littlest things to focus on and target people with.

What have you been using to pick your suspects? At least I am trying. Let's take a look at your voting record shall we?

Day 1: missed vote.

Day 2: missed vote.

Day 3: Last vote on the MR bandwagon, which resulted in a civ lynch.

Day 4: missed vote.

Not exactly leaving us much to hold you accountable with, are you?

And yet you've voted in every night poll, despite having half as long to do so.

Million dollar question: What sort of role tends to be more active at night than during the day?

Answer: A bad one, particularly one with a sinister night action, such as a kill to send in.

Dana wrote:

juliets wrote:Dana, I can understand the civ vote or even if there were civ votes, but can you explain why you missed the vote 3 times ? That's a lot for as few days we have been playing.

The first day I didn't know we had moved threads, so I was about 10 pages or so behind and I didn't want to vote without knowing the story. The other two times I was unsure and didn't want to unintentionally contribute to killing a good guy. I felt pretty sure about MR and that didn't turn out well at all.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Well if she does have the ability to kill, wouldn't she lose it each night she missed the lynch vote?

Bullzeye wrote:

Dana wrote:

juliets wrote:Dana, I can understand the civ vote or even if there were civ votes, but can you explain why you missed the vote 3 times ? That's a lot for as few days we have been playing.

The first day I didn't know we had moved threads, so I was about 10 pages or so behind and I didn't want to vote without knowing the story. The other two times I was unsure and didn't want to unintentionally contribute to killing a good guy. I felt pretty sure about MR and that didn't turn out well at all.

It was day zero you missed, and I remember you voted in the team poll right at the end because there was a thing about how you were supposed to vote the other option so the teams would be balanced. Nothing happened at all on day zero that was noteworthy and nothing you missed was ever brought up as a reason to suspect a person. By the time day one and the first lynch rolled around you definitely did know where the thread was.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well if she does have the ability to kill, wouldn't she lose it each night she missed the lynch vote?

juliets wrote:

Dana wrote:

juliets wrote:Dana, I can understand the civ vote or even if there were civ votes, but can you explain why you missed the vote 3 times ? That's a lot for as few days we have been playing.

The first day I didn't know we had moved threads, so I was about 10 pages or so behind and I didn't want to vote without knowing the story. The other two times I was unsure and didn't want to unintentionally contribute to killing a good guy. I felt pretty sure about MR and that didn't turn out well at all.

Ok, I see what you're saying. Just fyi, most of us don't feel solid about our votes - we are not sure and feel like we could be contributing to a civ death. Voting when you feel this way is just part of mafia. It's the only way you can stand up and be accountable. I've made lots of votes that I haven't been sure of and sure enough they have been civs. I bet there are others here that would say the same. You can't escape scrutiny by not voting though because it's something a baddie would do to avoid accountability. I believe you are sincere in your answers (I remember when you didn't know the thread had moved) so I don't think you're a baddie but if you continue to avoid votes my opinion may change.

thellama73 wrote:No one is ever certain about anyone (except the baddies) but we vote anyway, because it's the only weapon we have to defend ourselves.

Herbert wrote:

Dennis wrote:Oh, so GOD has something to say, does he? After demanding silly pictures and pointless offerings, now he wants to direct our votes as well? Well, who died and made him GOD? I certainly didn't vote for him. I'd like to hear from some of the other gods, like Odin, Apollo, Krishna, and Cthulhu, so we can make an educated, democratic decision not subject to the dictates of one self-proclaimed, self-important deity. And the atheists among us should have some representation as well.

Now we see the theistic bias inherent in the system!

And let's not even get started on the LC/S~V~S situation. I'd rather roll around in a swimming pool of fire ants than get in the middle of those two. Will they or won't they?

Roxy wrote:

reywaS is dead. He was the Trojan Rabbit - a civvie.
it is now Day 5

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?

Dana wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?

I don't remember there being a night where someone didn't die.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dana wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?

I don't remember there being a night where someone didn't die.

Yes, but Enrique had the ability to survive death once. I doubt that he wouldn't use it.

This increases the likelihood of there being two baddie teams too.

Dana wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dana wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?

I don't remember there being a night where someone didn't die.

Yes, but Enrique had the ability to survive death once. I doubt that he wouldn't use it.

This increases the likelihood of there being two baddie teams too.

I don't understand, though. So he survived death and the bad guys were able to pick a new person? If there are two teams and they can each pick a person then who dies?

Enrique wrote:Will someone rezz me already

Dana wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?

I don't remember there being a night where someone didn't die.

Boogs wrote:

juliets wrote:I agree I'd like to hear more from Boogs. I'm just not getting a good vibe there for reasons I covered earlier as well as bwt's point that he's only posted about Made and Enrique. Who are you suspicious of boogs? Can you name a couple of people you are suspicious of and reasons like most of us have done?

I think SVS has been acting strange with the Made stuff to almost build credibility for the lynch, however maybe she saw something else we didn't when we cast our votes.
Also JC, I have a really weird feeling about Bullzeye recently. I know he has sseemed blendy to me but i kind of think we should explore his behavior and i may want to put my vote there. Something doesnt feel right about him to me.

juliets wrote:

Dana wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dana wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?

I don't remember there being a night where someone didn't die.

Yes, but Enrique had the ability to survive death once. I doubt that he wouldn't use it.

This increases the likelihood of there being two baddie teams too.

I don't understand, though. So he survived death and the bad guys were able to pick a new person? If there are two teams and they can each pick a person then who dies?

Well what if one killer was an sk and the other was a mafia? Enrique could have survived one and we would still have a dead person.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let me add what I do remember. I recall a lot of discussion over Concorde possibly having a lover. I never did read his role, so I just passed on it as speculation. It wasn't until LC's comment that I decided to actually read the role and understand what it was saying.

S~V~S wrote:

Dana wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone else think that Enrique managed to survive one kill before he died?

I don't remember there being a night where someone didn't die.

They are not showing any fail, or non fail, night actions other than those that result in death, and they are not saying who killed whom. And yes, I do think Enrique probably survived a kill. I would be amazed, with 25 players, and a split SK, if we did not have two Mafia teams. Tonight was the first dead civvie, iirc. So Bye Rey

I also think there might be a Ninja of sorts. I just think the baddie teams have had reallly, realllllly bad luck with their kills. Or maybe they have conditions I remember one Roxy game I played, a Beatles speed game on the Piano, and i was the SK, but i had to answer trivia questions and shit to get a kill. I don't think I ever killed anyone.

That was both fun and funny as a Host