The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:40 pm**

Dragomir's play can be attributed as much to style and personality (and perhaps even age, forgive me my dude) as it can to mafia motivations. This doesn't make him a civilian, but I won't pretend this is a confident matter. At times he has seemed sincere and eager, and he hasn't struggled to maintain the pace despite handling accusations all game long. The guy has eclipsed 200 posts. He's not hiding from anything, least of all his own reads.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:41 pm**

I've got nothing to say in Jessie's favor, What few posts exist don't inspire, and a few of them are concerns.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:43 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:04 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:40 pm You stand charged with copious TMI, a huge cobb salad, and a general unwillingness to adapt your reads to the developments of the game day to day.
TMI my ass. I had pinged 2 players as hard towns on perfectly logical reasons. You guys might do some bad things but one must have to ignore a great deal of things that proves you being town to say that you're scum and I find that asinine.
I don't think you've been "illogical". I also don't think that's the full extent of the conversation -- indeed, I have long believed that fiercely "logical" play is as much the mark of the mafioso as the civilian, and for some people moreso. Do you have any kind of feelings underlying your reads?

I don't understand your question.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:04 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pmThe salad means nothing. That shit is only bad if the player just suggest a bunch of ppl but then does nothing to push on them later on or has done nothing to push on them in past. The player is being passive and sheepish. That makes a salad really bad imo. If a player has been pushing for their salad players all game or at least tried to make cases on them, a salad is not scummy.
I've seen it come from bad guys too many times to discard it as readily as you are asking me to discard it. It may not be a case that you can answer to beyond defaults, so I will leave it there. This tell is something unique to The Syndicate.

Well then, I can't do anything about it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:04 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pmWhy is this a bad thing and why should my reads have changed? Literally all the players in my scum reads have done absolutely nothing to convince to me that they're town. Not a single post of theirs is even town to me so why in bloody name's should my read change? The only that made me change my read on DDL was a cop invest. Like hell, how they interacted with Ultra hardly helps their(my scum reads) case if it does at all. I even ended up with a stronger scum read on Owner and DDL based off how Ultra's flip.

These reasonings against me are ludicrous.
The highlighted portion can be questioned. I don't know that I have seen you make much of an effort to see your suspects from a different perspective, or to consider alternative explanations -- at least not until your hand was forced.

I'm not interested in seeing them from a different perspective when said perspective is not any of their posts.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:44 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:04 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:55 pm @Dragomir, just a basic question:

In the absence of the DDL green peek, would your reads right now be different at all from what they were on Day 1?
Absolutely not.
Would you say this kind of mindset is commonplace for you in Mafia games?

Yep.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:45 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:06 pm Dragomir, what is the single worst thing about RDW in this game?

How he first voted me in the game. Not an OMGUS reason here as it may look like.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:46 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:43 pm I'm not interested in seeing them from a different perspective when said perspective is not any of their posts.

New question: even if you don't see alternative perspectives for your suspects, do you understand why other players may find it suspicious that your reads have been unmoving all game long?

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:47 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:46 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:43 pm I'm not interested in seeing them from a different perspective when said perspective is not any of their posts.
New question: even if you don't see alternative perspectives for your suspects, do you understand why other players may find it suspicious that your reads have been unmoving all game long?

No.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:48 pm**

Man you gotta have an open mind. Not even considering other perspectives is not a productive way to approach anything, and that's just general life advice too

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:49 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:46 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 6:43 pm I'm not interested in seeing them from a different perspective when said perspective is not any of their posts.
New question: even if you don't see alternative perspectives for your suspects, do you understand why other players may find it suspicious that your reads have been unmoving all game long?
No.

Do you think this same thing can be said of anyone else playing this game right now -- that they've been as rigid in their reads as you have been?

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:49 pm**

But seriously reads should evolve as the game progresses and we get flips and new information. Working from your d1 reads only never results in a town win.

(Except maybe in the dfs game lolol)

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:52 pm**

[mention]Dragomir[/mention], who should be lynched between speedchuck and Jessie?

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 6:57 pm**

k well I'm going to stay put.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2019 7:00 pm**

JessieKruger has been lynched. They were Town

It is Night 4. You have 24 hours to submit your night actions.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 6:50 pm**

Day 4

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:00 pm**

Luxurious has been killed. They were Town.

It is Day 5. You have 48 hours to lynch somebody.

DrWilgy has replaced M Plus 7.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:01 pm**

WILGYYYYYYY

RIP lux, great to play with you. Stick around the site why don't you?

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:07 pm**

Juat when I was looking forward to yelling at lux for those annoying spoilers n0.

Hello everyone. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:10 pm**

I have some immediate questions.

What are the publics thoughts in my previous host?

What are the motives and ideals behind DDL and JJJ. I'd like a general consensus.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:11 pm**

I think we should massclaim.

I think we are unlikely to profit much but the cost is now basically zero.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:11 pm**

Oh, one more. Are there any town-firmed?

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:13 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:11 pm I think we should massclaim.

I think we are unlikely to profit much but the cost is now basically zero.

I don't oppose, but I'd prefer if we waited abit. Perhaps mid day? I have things to learn before the stipulation is added.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:17 pm**

Hmm... 4th post.

A message to those who don't know me: Hi, nice to meet you. You don't know me, but I will either hug or lick some part of your body by the time we are done here. That is all I can offer.

A message for those who do know me: Hey! Missed yall! I feel like I've been gone for a long time... But It couldn't have been that long right? Oh well.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:18 pm**

Fuck that was post 5. I must be scum. Sorry all.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:29 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:11 pm Oh, one more. Are there any town-firmed?

DDL and Mac barring tinfoil weirdness

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:30 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:11 pm I think we should massclaim.

I think we are unlikely to profit much but the cost is now basically zero.
I don't oppose, but I'd prefer if we waited abit. Perhaps mid day? I have things to learn before the stipulation is added.

....k then

So you weren't actually claiming doc just then eh

I'll claim if needed

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:37 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:11 pm I think we should massclaim.

I think we are unlikely to profit much but the cost is now basically zero.
I don't oppose, but I'd prefer if we waited abit. Perhaps mid day? I have things to learn before the stipulation is added.
....k then

So you weren't actually claiming doc just then eh

I'll claim if needed

Is it ever?

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:52 pm**

I tried Jailkeeping JJJ last night. It did not stop any kills one way or another.

Also Jailkept Drago on N2. Hope that didn't break anything.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:54 pm**

WILGY

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 7:55 pm**

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] You are in the POE by default which is a big problem because we've been lynching inactives by necessity and it's one day till MYLO as it stands.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:02 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:55 pm @DrWilgy You are in the POE by default which is a big problem because we've been lynching inactives by necessity and it's one day till MYLO as it stands.

Unfortunate.

So... By POE there's nothing else to go on or I am the best choice?

@MacDougall who did you target night 2?

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:03 pm**

Fucky fuck.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] see above.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:03 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:52 pm I tried Jailkeeping JJJ last night. It did not stop any kills one way or another.

Also Jailkept Drago on N2. Hope that didn't break anything.

I protected Novas N2. Speed, you said that Owner is playing like how you expect him to play as town. Have you played with him before because she's new to the forum

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:15 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:55 pm @DrWilgy You are in the POE by default which is a big problem because we've been lynching inactives by necessity and it's one day till MYLO as it stands.
Unfortunate.

So... By POE there's nothing else to go on or I am the best choice?

@MacDougall who did you target night 2?

Hi Wilgy. I targeted nobody on n2. My action only worked on n3.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:17 pm**

[mention]Luxurious[/mention] you were awesome. Please stay.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:17 pm**

I am out with the kids. Bbl.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:20 pm**

I'm the 2nd JoaT and since tsaiah missed n1 and 2 I only had one action n3, used the doc shot on ddl.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:48 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:20 pm I'm the 2nd JoaT and since tsaiah missed n1 and 2 I only had one action n3, used the doc shot on ddl.

Why DDL?

[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention] who did you target night 1?

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:49 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:55 pm @DrWilgy You are in the POE by default which is a big problem because we've been lynching inactives by necessity and it's one day till MYLO as it stands.
Unfortunate.

So... By POE there's nothing else to go on or I am the best choice?

@MacDougall who did you target night 2?
Hi Wilgy. I targeted nobody on n2. My action only worked on n3.

You would say that.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:52 pm**

DDL was my strongest townread when I came into the game and I thought enough people townread him that he could be an nk target. Should've gone for nova

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 8:52 pm**

Owner tracked lux n1 it was a whole deal

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 9:18 pm**

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:18 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:52 pm I tried Jailkeeping JJJ last night. It did not stop any kills one way or another.

Also Jailkept Drago on N2. Hope that didn't break anything.
I protected Novas N2. Speed, you said that Owner is playing like how you expect him to play as town. Have you played with him before because she's new to the forum

Played with Owner in Hogwarts Mafia on this forum last year.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:19 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:17 pm @Luxurious you were awesome. Please stay.

Agreed

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:52 pm Owner tracked lux n1 it was a whole deal

My question stands.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm**

I am the N2 cop. I checked Jack.

Fun fact I kept alternating between Jack and Epi in the PM until I settled for Jack.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm**

If Mac is trustworthy then we at least know mafia has no ninjas.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:27 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm I am the N2 cop. I checked Jack.

Fun fact I kept alternating between Jack and Epi in the PM until I settled for Jack.

Does this add anything to the conversation and did you allude to this previously?

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:28 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:27 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm I am the N2 cop. I checked Jack.

Fun fact I kept alternating between Jack and Epi in the PM until I settled for Jack.
Does this add anything to the conversation and did you allude to this previously?

They just died in the same night so it's a sad irony.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:27 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm I am the N2 cop. I checked Jack.

Fun fact I kept alternating between Jack and Epi in the PM until I settled for Jack.
Does this add anything to the conversation and did you allude to this previously?
They just died in the same night so it's a sad irony.

I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2019 10:41 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:52 pm Owner tracked lux n1 it was a whole deal

Actually. I think I'd like for you to expand on this. From your perspective, why was it a whole deal and what resulted of this?

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