The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:48 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm

What is "alignment equity"?

Like, teammate compatible for scum/mafia purposes.

Ok, so then I don't understand why I'm teammate compatible with Tony and Wilgy.

Yeah I didn't think Juliets had equity with Tony. I'd be surprised if they were w/w.

Are we just going to Lynch players with low equity with Juliets until we lose the game? That's seriously not a winning strategy.

???

Me voting you has nothing whatsoever to do with your Juliets equity.

That wasn't my implication but actually I'm curious why you think I have low equity with Juliets.

I ISOd both of you today. If I recall, you implicated Juliets several times for a lynch on N1 and D2, including times when she was in danger of actually being lynched.

It's not impossible, but I'd be surprised.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:51 pm So heads up, I told tsp my role n power and stuff.

it's boring and he doesn't use it and I barely believe it but he told it in a convincing manner.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:52 pm @DrWilgy, you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?

Gut feeling based on his minimal stance. While i know Ive prolly missed alot, he's someone who feels under my radar who normally isn't.

I hope everyone understands Jack is joking.

Me and Juliets [VOTE: Tonystarkprime] aubergine

Let it rand!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:52 pm @DrWilgy, you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?

Gut feeling based on his minimal stance. While i know Ive prolly missed alot, he's someone who feels under my radar who normally isn't.

Also DDL and TSP being in radishes lump with sig makes me think one of the three are bad.

2 truths kind a thing.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm I hope everyone understands Jack is joking.

The thing where he said he was joking was good help to that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:56 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:52 pm @DrWilgy, you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?

Gut feeling based on his minimal stance. While i know Ive prolly missed alot, he's someone who feels under my radar who normally isn't.

Also DDL and TSP being in radishes lump with sig makes me think one of the three are bad.

2 truths kind a thing.

Wait, which post was this?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:55 pm Me and Juliets [VOTE: Tonystarkprime] aubergine

Let it rand!

You’re giving me PTSD

LET IT RAND

Okay I'm not going two games in a row where the scum team tries to lynch me day 1 and then everyone manages to convince themselves it's social distancing and lynches me anyways. It's just the same thing with different vegetables every time

This one

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:56 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:45 pm Hey MR, what are your current reads and/or POE? Sorry if this question is answered somewhere else.

Probs town: LC, 112, Speed, maybe Jack based off recent posts, maybe Hyena?

Not lynching per activity: PC, Wilgy

Inner PoE: TSP, DDL, sig

Outer PoE: Nook, nutella, I guess Juliets (not SRing her really, just don't know what her scum game looks like), making my mind up on you still


Ask me in a few minutes and I'll probably shuffle my PoE around.

Link: jfc MP stop posting

Thanks Wilgy!

Hmmm... that is an interesting hypothesis, usually I've heard that referred to as the rule of three, like scum tends to put scummate in a pool like that and two other townies, but I'm not sure how often that's actually happened.

Can we lynch DDL then tsp if I'm wrong? I don't feel good about the tsp lynch and think I'm decent at reading him.

okay so

Juliets
Nanook
MP if not Juliets
DDL if not Nanook.
Maybe?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:57 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm I hope everyone understands Jack is joking.

The thing where he said he was joking was good help to that.

lol I didn't see that.

In btsc he feels genuine too.

This is random, but can anyone who has played with juliets more recently than I can speak to her defending herself? Does anyone think that's AI in any way? To explain, I feel like she goes out of her way to defend herself against any semblance of suspicion more than the average player, and I can't help but try to read into it.

Part of the reason I ask is I'm in her ISO now and in combination with her recent clarification about Jack's joke, I'm seeing just how often this happens.

Why won’t you accept my love Tony

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 pm Can we lynch DDL then tsp if I'm wrong? I don't feel good about the tsp lynch and think I'm decent at reading him.

Sell me more on DDL. I thought he seemed pretty town in my earlier version on D1, but I haven't been able to feel much since then in either my 1.0 or 2.0 version.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:52 pm DrWilgy, you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?

Gut feeling based on his minimal stance. While i know Ive prolly missed alot, he's someone who feels under my radar who normally isn't.

I would frankly agree were it not for

a. his D1 stance and pursuance of MR
b. his excuse for playing minimally, trouble keeping up, etc.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 pm Thanks Wilgy!

Hmmm... that is an interesting hypothesis, usually I've heard that referred to as the rule of three, like scum tends to put scummate in a pool like that and two other townies, but I'm not sure how often that's actually happened.

I see people get accused of it so often that I tend to avoid doing that when I'm scum.

My impression is that Juliets dislikes being misunderstood and approaches suspicion on her as a misunderstanding, she tries to clear it up in her fairly wordy style.

Idk if that’s accurate or not

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:03 pm Why won’t you accept my love Tony

paranoia, I guess. I think whenever I'm in a POE my natural response is to start reaching for the mastermind behind all this instead of just reaching for the fifth most likely name or whatever.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 pm Can we lynch DDL then tsp if I'm wrong? I don't feel good about the tsp lynch and think I'm decent at reading him.

Sell me more on DDL. I thought he seemed pretty town in my earlier version on D1, but I haven't been able to feel much since then in either my 1.0 or 2.0 version.

This also sums up my argument: You see his player soup? On limited knowledge town can still form base gut reads. He's playing too safe imo.

Gut-based MP7 2.0 D3 reads

Strong town:
Jack
Nanook

Moderate town:
Hyena

Slight town:
speed
DDL

POE:
DrWilgy
juliets
Tony

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 pm Thanks Wilgy!

Hmmm... that is an interesting hypothesis, usually I've heard that referred to as the rule of three, like scum tends to put scummate in a pool like that and two other townies, but I'm not sure how often that's actually happened.

Happens every time I don’t think about it. Which is why I purposely mix in other ratios as a wolf.

If you want to lynch DDL, read this post first. Please.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:01 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:49 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:56 pm

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.


This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

Can you reconcile this?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:06 pm Gut-based MP7 2.0 D3 reads

Strong town:
Jack
Nanook

Moderate town:
Hyena

Slight town:
speed
DDL

POE:
DrWilgy
juliets
Tony

What's pee green speed read for?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:03 pm Why won’t you accept my love Tony

paranoia, I guess. I think whenever I'm in a POE my natural response is to start reaching for the mastermind behind all this instead of just reaching for the fifth most likely name or whatever.

I’ve been defending you tho, you haven’t really been in my POE. Like I’ve actively tried to keep you out of the POE.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:02 pm This is random, but can anyone who has played with juliets more recently than I can speak to her defending herself? Does anyone think that's AI in any way? To explain, I feel like she goes out of her way to defend herself against any semblance of suspicion more than the average player, and I can't help but try to read into it.

Part of the reason I ask is I'm in her ISO now and in combination with her recent clarification about Jack's joke, I'm seeing just how often this happens.

I try to answer every accusation.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:07 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 pm Thanks Wilgy!

Hmmm... that is an interesting hypothesis, usually I've heard that referred to as the rule of three, like scum tends to put scummate in a pool like that and two other townies, but I'm not sure how often that's actually happened.

Happens every time I don’t think about it. Which is why I purposely mix in other ratios as a wolf.

I just list groups of town players. But in 2/3 of my scum games, when I die, my teammate has more or less resigned on the spot or been lynched the next day. Maybe all 3. I don't remember the one I got lynched like an hour into day 1.

BTW guys there are 2 votes on Tony right now and 1 vote on each of the others. Jack and I are not in a vote team.

This is not let it rand, just FYI

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:52 pm DrWilgy, you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?

Gut feeling based on his minimal stance. While i know Ive prolly missed alot, he's someone who feels under my radar who normally isn't.

I would frankly agree were it not for

a. his D1 stance and pursuance of MR
b. his excuse for playing minimally, trouble keeping up, etc.

Is it possible that a scum team might have thought DDL was going down at some point so they wanted MR to look better as a result of that, or vice versa? I think thread environment might be an important consideration there, not sure if you've spoken to that.

Linki: looking at that now, I'd say GTH that the first and third posts by DDL read pretty good, and the MR ones look decent as well. They could be distancing, but only like in the Mexal type situation -- to explain, in my Champs S5 qualifier, Mexal treated both of his scummates similarly, and then won in an F3.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:08 pm If you want to lynch DDL, read this post first. Please.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:01 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:49 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.


This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

Can you reconcile this?

Interesting. Did ddl call mr scum for this or did the exchange die?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Did ddl call mr scum for this or did the exchange die?

DDL ended the day with a vote on MR, and Hyena and I followed him. MR almost got lynched. He never recanted, far as I can tell.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:08 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:03 pm Why won’t you accept my love Tony

paranoia, I guess. I think whenever I'm in a POE my natural response is to start reaching for the mastermind behind all this instead of just reaching for the fifth most likely name or whatever.

I’ve been defending you tho, you haven’t really been in my POE. Like I’ve actively tried to keep you out of the POE.

I know. I'm thinking about that now. I don't think that behavior makes sense as scum with Juliets -- I was justifying it as a sort of TMI thing, but Juliets is a likely lynch candidate as well. You have enough town credit to take easier outs.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:08 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:06 pm Gut-based MP7 2.0 D3 reads

Strong town:
Jack
Nanook

Moderate town:
Hyena

Slight town:
speed
DDL

POE:
DrWilgy
juliets
Tony

What's pee green speed read for?

What do you mean, why I am reading speedchuck slight town? I'm not totally sure, my reads are pretty gut-based right now, and there's some tinfoil there. At face value though I like what he's doing.

And by 'ended the day' I mean I don't think he budged, and while he wasn't super active I don't think it was a vote-and-forget situation. I'm not entirely sure on that and I don't have time to check.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Did ddl call mr scum for this or did the exchange die?

DDL ended the day with a vote on MR, and Hyena and I followed him. MR almost got lynched. He never recanted, far as I can tell.

If this is it, DDL deserves a seriously deeper look. Speed's case is much cleaner.

Dinner time FYI, but I'll still be here, just more passive for a bit.

This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony

It's not DDL

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Did ddl call mr scum for this or did the exchange die?

DDL ended the day with a vote on MR, and Hyena and I followed him. MR almost got lynched. He never recanted, far as I can tell.

Good look for ddl then. Now I really don't know between the two.

Makes me wonder if we can get some consistency in tone from mr if we get another scumflip as this is shaking my hyena civ read.

Historically, does mr radish waffle when opposed or hold the line?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Did ddl call mr scum for this or did the exchange die?

DDL ended the day with a vote on MR, and Hyena and I followed him. MR almost got lynched. He never recanted, far as I can tell.

If this is it, DDL deserves a seriously deeper look. Speed's case is much cleaner.

Maybe so.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony

Right now though, Wilgy seems wrong in PoE. I'd probably move him up and move the three I have in slight town down to POE.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:14 pm It's not DDL

Wait did something change?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:15 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony

Right now though, Wilgy seems wrong in PoE. I'd probably move him up and move the three I have in slight town down to POE.

However, I don't know how that reconciles with him saying Tony is town, so ehhh.

read the first page of his iso he's almost as committed to lynching MR as MR was to lynching me.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony

Yay, my layout is awesome!