Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Spacedaisy]

@Spacedaisy
What is with the fearmongering? What should we be believing then? I hate that post

I know what I know, and I said what I said and stand by it. It is not fearmongering, it's fact.

[Hally]

I read this entire thread and didn't see shit about Wisp being a cop.

he just claimed it

[Hally]

daisy if you have mech info to suggest the check is fake you need to out that now

[Millium]

@Spacedaisy
What is with the fearmongering? What should we be believing then? I hate that post

I know what I know, and I said what I said and stand by it. It is not fearmongering, it's fact.

I don't actually believe that you believe this. How is it facts? Did I miss some fine print somewhere?

[Millium]

I need a cigarette...

[Epignosis]

I read this entire thread and didn't see shit about Wisp being a cop.

he just claimed it

I don't see it.

[Spacedaisy]

That's just it Hally, I know what i got when I looked at LC and it's not what Wisp just said. But I don't believe that means Wisp is bad, necessarily. I don't know if he is lying or if there is some mech I don't know about.

I saw 3p.

[Hally]

wisp can you just hard claim... again

[Hally]

That's just it Hally, I know what i got when I looked at LC and it's not what Wisp just said. But I don't believe that means Wisp is bad, necessarily. I don't know if he is lying or if there is some mech I don't know about.

I saw 3p.

to be clear, you are also claiming cop who checked lc and saw that lc was 3p?

[Spacedaisy]

Yes

[Long Con]

Specifically fuckery surrounding LC, to be clear. Not just in general.

You are my favourite player in this game right now. You think I'm so super-evil that I'm Jack the Ripper with the ability to fool role-checks. This is my legacy.

[Millium]

That's just it Hally, I know what i got when I looked at LC and it's not what Wisp just said. But I don't believe that means Wisp is bad, necessarily. I don't know if he is lying or if there is some mech I don't know about.

I saw 3p.

Well, I saw his full role card?!?!?
alignment and everything, and I am not outting his role

[Epignosis]

Time to retire.

[Hally]

Yes

what was the exact ability you targeted lc with?

same question to you [mention]Wisp[/mention]

[Hally]

That's just it Hally, I know what i got when I looked at LC and it's not what Wisp just said. But I don't believe that means Wisp is bad, necessarily. I don't know if he is lying or if there is some mech I don't know about.

I saw 3p.

Well, I saw his full role card?!?!?
alignment and everything, and I am not outting his role

do you know for a fact that was his real role card and not a fake?

[Millium]

I am Jack Torrance of Overlook Hotel.
I can check a person every night and get their full role card, graciously given to me by the hotel!

[Long Con]

That's just it Hally, I know what i got when I looked at LC and it's not what Wisp just said. But I don't believe that means Wisp is bad, necessarily. I don't know if he is lying or if there is some mech I don't know about.

I saw 3p.

What? I don't know what this is at all.

[Hally]

i can mechanically confirm wisp’s claim is true

he is town

[Spacedaisy]

Specifically fuckery surrounding LC, to be clear. Not just in general.

You are my favourite player in this game right now. You think I'm so super-evil that I'm Jack the Ripper with the ability to fool role-checks. This is my legacy.

On the contrary, I don't know if checks are at all accurate. The roles were built this way intentionally. I was even warned about it in my role card. My point is not that you are bad. It's that I literally have no way of being certain about that, and Wisp can't possibly either.

[Millium]

Man now I am confused, this makes no sense

[Long Con]

I am Jack Torrance of Overlook Hotel.
I can check a person every night and get their full role card, graciously given to me by the hotel!

Like I said, I wanted Jack Nicholson, but what I got was sufficiently cool.

[Hally]

Specifically fuckery surrounding LC, to be clear. Not just in general.

You are my favourite player in this game right now. You think I'm so super-evil that I'm Jack the Ripper with the ability to fool role-checks. This is my legacy.

On the contrary, I don't know if checks are at all accurate. The roles were built this way intentionally. I was even warned about it in my role card. My point is not that you are bad. It's that I literally have no way of being certain about that, and Wisp can't possibly either.

you were warned what in your role card? paraphrase please

[Millium]

I was not warned about anything in my role card? I feel like its mostly impossible to mess with my information unless I get like redirected or some shit?

[Spacedaisy]

::shrugs:: Everything I said is true. That's all I got for you.

[Millium]

The mod is probably laughing at us from his Throne of Lies!!!

[Spacedaisy]

Entirely possible.

[Hally]

::shrugs:: Everything I said is true. That's all I got for you.

no, we need more clarity please

what ability exactly did you target lc with? what exactly did you get back as a result? and what were you warned about?

[Epignosis]

The mod is probably laughing at us from his Throne of Lies!!!

[Millium]

I think bickering about mechanical actions probably gets us into more holes...
The question we should be asking ourselves with two different results on the same person, "Do we hate them enough to still want to lynch them"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[Millium]

I'll remember to never join a Jack game lol

[Spacedaisy]

Mine is not a role card check, so I guess defer to your result. Which makes me pretty much useless anyway if every check I make is pretty much inaccurate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who wants to pretend this is mountainous

[Hally]

Mine is not a role card check, so I guess defer to your result. Which makes me pretty much useless anyway if every check I make is pretty much inaccurate.

what is it exactly? i need specifics

[Spacedaisy]

::shrugs:: Everything I said is true. That's all I got for you.

no, we need more clarity please

what ability exactly did you target lc with? what exactly did you get back as a result? and what were you warned about?

I am a cop. What more do you expect from me here? I got a 3p result, which according to Wisp is wrong. I don't know what clarity you are looking for.

[Long Con]

Mine is not a role card check, so I guess defer to your result. Which makes me pretty much useless anyway if every check I make is pretty much inaccurate.

You're just hypothesizing based on the idea that cop checks can likely be messed with?

[Millium]

Mine is not a role card check, so I guess defer to your result. Which makes me pretty much useless anyway if every check I make is pretty much inaccurate.

What exactly is your role? Actually I am not really interested in another full claim
I dont think you make this up just to get him lynched, when if he flips town like his role card states to me, you just get yeeted

[Long Con]

Mine is not a role card check, so I guess defer to your result. Which makes me pretty much useless anyway if every check I make is pretty much inaccurate.

What exactly is your role? Actually I am not really interested in another full claim
I dont think you make this up just to get him lynched, when if he flips town like his role card states to me, you just get yeeted

I doubt I'm worth it, and I doubt SD would choose to make a fake claim.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Suggestion:

There is ample evidence this game is wack. 80 millers. Anyone can steal my vote whenever they want. FG may have been straight up unchoppable. Wisp's role-AND-alignment checker claim is something I've never seen. I believe him. But I can't say I have total faith in the results of the role just given how immensely powerful that would be. Spacedaisy's thing sounds like it has uncertainty embedded in it.

So let's assess Long Con, at least in part, on the basis of his play -- particularly his handling of this very dynamic. How do each of you feel about Long Con's responses to... all this shit?

[Spacedaisy]

I was warned in my role card there are fuckery roles out there. With all the millers claiming I assumed those were the roles it referred to. So I chose someone who didn't claim miller. And yet here we are with Wisp saying he got a result and there is no way it was inaccurate and me saying I got a different result though I was warned it might be inaccurate.

[Hally]

ok time for me to claim

im a voyeur. i can target one person and see what actions they were targeted with but not who performed the actions

i targeted lc last night

i only got back one result, which was that somebody peeked at lc’s rolecard. thats what wisp is claiming. he is town and thats my proof

i received no other result

so either daisy is lying about checking lc or i didnt get a result for her action for some reason

[Epignosis]

I still want to know how you apologize for all Caps in the same fucking post.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was warned in my role card there are fuckery roles out there. With all the millers claiming I assumed those were the roles it referred to. So I chose someone who didn't claim miller. And yet here we are with Wisp saying he got a result and there is no way it was inaccurate and me saying I got a different result though I was warned it might be inaccurate.

Maybe you're an insane cop and you'd check millers as town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I still want to know how you apologize for all Caps in the same fucking post.

Why is this a concern?

[Millium]

Mine is not a role card check, so I guess defer to your result. Which makes me pretty much useless anyway if every check I make is pretty much inaccurate.

What exactly is your role? Actually I am not really interested in another full claim
I dont think you make this up just to get him lynched, when if he flips town like his role card states to me, you just get yeeted

I doubt I'm worth it, and I doubt SD would choose to make a fake claim.

Wolves don't play like that, honestly. Like the negative outweighs the benefit here
The fuckery could just be the millers? his role card says literally nothing of any fuckerys

[Long Con]

ok time for me to claim

im a voyeur. i can target one person and see what actions they were targeted with but not who performed the actions

i targeted lc last night

i only got back one result, which was that somebody peeked at lc’s rolecard. thats what wisp is claiming. he is town and thats my proof

i received no other result

so either daisy is lying about checking lc or i didnt get a result for her action for some reason

Thank you Jack, for an exciting, twist-filled start to Day 2.

[Millium]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
I fucking told you, I was at work on mobile, I type faster than it takes to hold backspace for 3 years. So I apologized in the same post instead of wasting time trying to delete it...

[Millium]

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention]
Wait, all you were told was an alignment?
and from what I remember redirects if they exist aren't stated?
so what if you hit someone else?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be clear Wisp -- you got the role card including both the role itself and the alignment. Correct?

[Epignosis]

I still want to know how you apologize for all Caps in the same fucking post.

Why is this a concern?

@Alison
LONG CON IS TOWN, now what?
Sorry I didn't mean to post in capts lol

Why is Wisp apologizing for this preemptively?

Nobody answers my question. It's always something dismissive.