Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[NotAnAxehole]

@Marmot why'd you not respond to what I @d you with

actually marmot is my biggest wolf read btw

orly?

I missed it somehow because I was catching up at various parts of the thread. Why am I your biggest wolfread? What is you specific question?

@Esooa

@Esooa

@Esooa

Esooa is mafia

[NotAnAxehole]

To break down JJJ's wagon a little bit more, here's how it all went down (warning, it's a wallpost)

Spoiler: show

Here's what the poll looked like at XX:47.


6 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, NotAnAxehole, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
6 - DrWilgy --- staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, cassandra, leetic, Lime Coke, ilario
1 - JaggedJimmyJay --- iaafr
1 - Master Radishes --- Marmot
1 - NotAnAxehole --- nutella
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
1 - No Vote --- Sloonei

Summarizing what happened starting at xx:47 as Jay's wagon begins to take off.

xx:47 - spf calls the Wilgy wagon pure
xx:47 - iaafr contemplates going back to the Wilgy wagon
xx:48 - LC calls Jay probably mafia, but asserts his wagon can't seem to get traction
xx:48 - ilario says he'd wagon NAA
xx:48 - iaafr vote Wilgy
xx:48 - spf says she would wagon NAA
xx:49 - Nanook would flashwagon Jay
xx:49 - spf says she'll probably end on Wilgy
xx:49 - nutella wants to flip anne
xx:49 - Marmot isn't comfortable voting Wilgy, would rather vote anne
xx:49 - iaafr offers reasons to TR and not chop Jay
xx:49 - cass asked nutella why she flipped her read on anne
xx:50 - iaafr wonders if the wolves are bussing Wilgy, and if anne's a hit
xx:50 - Marmot votes anne
xx:50 - cass doesn't want to vote anne when she's not here
xx:50 - leetic calls out Jay and nutella for hedging
xx:51 - spf points out disappearance of NAA wagon as interesting
xx:51 - LC follows up on Jay's wagon's lack of traction
xx:52 - cass asks if people TR Jay, would vote there if wagon existed
xx:52 - leetic calls Wilgy wagon more inspiring
xx:53 - iaafr votes anne
xx:53 - nutella calls anne a hit and Wilgy a bait
xx:53 - iaafr votes Jay
xx:54 - LC votes Jay
xx:54 - cass votes Jay
xx:54 - Marmot complains about how the Wilgy and anne wagons look
xx:54 - ilario votes Jay
xx:54 - leetic links us to a Jay scum game
xx:54 - cass hypes the Jay CFD


So with 5 minutes left in the day, the wagons have changed drastically, looking something like the following.

7 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, NotAnAxehole, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy, Marmot
4 - JaggedJimmyJay --- iaafr, Lime Coke, cassandra, ilario
3 - DrWilgy --- staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, leetic
1 - NotAnAxehole --- nutella
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
1 - No Vote --- Sloonei


xx:55 - leetic asks where the Wilgy wagon went, says he's not confident in the other two
xx:55 - LC rallies people to wagon Jay
xx:55 - Nanook votes Jay
xx:56 - iaafr calls anne's votes parkers
xx:56 - nutella reminded cass that she also mentioned reason to SR anne
xx:56 - cass weirded out by nutella's treatment of anne
xx:56 - leetic votes Jay


Wagons are close now

7 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, NotAnAxehole, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy, Marmot
6 - JaggedJimmyJay --- iaafr, Lime Coke, cassandra, ilario, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, leetic
1 - DrWilgy --- staypositivefriend
1 - NotAnAxehole --- nutella
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
1 - No Vote --- Sloonei


xx:57 - Marmot votes Jay
xx:57 - spf votes Jay
xx:57 - LC sketched out by people not leaving anne's wagon still
xx:57 - iaafr votes nutella
xx:57 - spf calls nutella's push on anne townie
xx:57 - ilario wants to vote Wilgy again
xx:57 - leetic doesn't like the anne wagon
xx:57 - NAA says he doesn't want to chop Jay, and that Marmot and he aren't parked on anne
xx:57 - spf says she wants Wilgy, but laments being forced to choose between Jay and anne
xx:58 - nutella says this is fine (Jay being voted I think she means)
xx:58 - wants to chop anyone but anne
xx:58 - cass wouldn't cry over chopping Wilgy still
xx:58 - Nanook says he'd move back to Wilgy
xx:58 - Marmot calls Wilgy wagon pure, worries about Jay being a miss and anne being a hit
xx:59 - ilario worried about quickness of Jay wagon
xx:59 - iaafr votes Wilgy
xx:59 - ilario says let's CFD Wilgy, ilario votes Wilgy
xx:59 - spf tried to vote Wilgy, but was too late


7 - JaggedJimmyJay --- Lime Coke, cassandra, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, leetic, Marmot, staypositivefriend, NotAnAxehole
5 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
2 - DrWilgy --- iaafr, ilario
1 - NotAnAxehole --- nutella
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
1 - No Vote --- Sloonei

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Here are my observations on how people performed at EOD based on reread.

The following players were not around at EOD

anne
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
MacDougall
Sloonei —> Esooa

The following players were

cassandra - cass was one of the first people to vote for Jay in the CFD, and voiced interest in it before it happened. She looks really townie from this.

iaafr - iaafr was kinda all over the place, but that does read more like an anxious townie than mafia in this scenario. On one hand, he could have unwittingly prompted a Jay wagon while just casually putting a vote there, but I think the reality is that his actions are pure. He could be scum, but I'd put him closer to a TR at this moment.

ilario / leetic - this slot also hopped on the Jay wagon, albeit at different times. Ilario hopped off in the waning seconds of the day, which is a little alarming, but these two seemed similar to iaafr in that their behavior looks believable in their anxiety over what wagon would be the best to choose.

Lime Coke - Pushed the Jay wagon from the getgo, and rallied others to join. Hard townread on this guy.

NotAnAxehole - I don't know when he voted for Jay, so I'm going to assume it was at a point when it didn't matter since he didn't call his vote in the thread. The only post that NAA made in the final 13 minutes of the day were a defense of chopping Jay. Given his increased activity before the Jay wagon took off, I think he looks like probable mafia from it.

nutella - I could go either way. Personally, her comment "This is fine actually lmao" actually reads incredibly townie to me. But her actions otherwise less-so. She didn't really mention Jay's wagon, but she did push anne's wagon at least while Wilgy was an active wagon. But even her push on anne looked kinda townie. Dunno. I'm tonally reading her as town, but her actions are objectively not very townie.

staypositivefriend - spf was put into a position where she couldn't vote for Wilgy when his wagon disappeared, and was forced to pick between Jay and anne, and opted for Jay. She did eventually try to vote Wilgy again, but was too late at EOD. I will call this mildly townie. She didn't really talk about Jay despite voting for him, which makes a bus attempt possible, but she was in a position where she was able to convincingly vote for anne or Jay, and she opted for Jay. spf is on the edge of the POE for me.


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Anyway, cass remains a confident townread for me, LC joins her in that tier, and ilario/leetic are a tad below. NAA has dropped drastically, and I'd be willing to chop him today. Everyone else is varying shades of in between those two

Also, given how easily Jay's wagon took off, I'd be willing to bet that his team was generally not around at EOD, suggesting that the majority of scum are in the first of the above lists.

Ah man, don't tell me you're mafia too?

[NotAnAxehole]

I kind of think Marmot is projecting their reason for voting JJJ onto me, and that makes me sad.

[Marmot]

I kind of think Marmot is projecting their reason for voting JJJ onto me, and that makes me sad.

I don't understand what you mean here, can you explain?

[falcon45ca]

I kind of think Marmot is projecting their reason for voting JJJ onto me, and that makes me sad.

Given JJJ's flip, is that a bad thing?

[NotAnAxehole]

I kind of think Marmot is projecting their reason for voting JJJ onto me, and that makes me sad.

I don't understand what you mean here, can you explain?

You feel like your vote didn't matter, which is why you figure my vote, which came after also didn't matter.

[NotAnAxehole]

i.e. You probably didn't want to kill JJJ either, but you're also probably mafia for it. Also, your cases have been wildly extensive compared to usual.

[Marmot]

i.e. You probably didn't want to kill JJJ either, but you're also probably mafia for it. Also, your cases have been wildly extensive compared to usual.

I'm not sure why you're comparing my vote to yours the way your are. They are two different things.

I did want to kill Jay, I talked about him quite a bit Day 1, and voted him when the opportunity when it presented itself.


My cases are wildly extensive compared to what?

[Marmot]

@Marmot why'd you not respond to what I @d you with

actually marmot is my biggest wolf read btw

orly?

I missed it somehow because I was catching up at various parts of the thread. Why am I your biggest wolfread? What is you specific question?

@Esooa

@Esooa

@Esooa

@Esooa

[NotAnAxehole]

FWIW, I was heavily considering moving back onto Anne last minute, but I didn't because I figured forcing a draw would be bad for town.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Marmot why'd you not respond to what I @d you with

actually marmot is my biggest wolf read btw

orly?

I missed it somehow because I was catching up at various parts of the thread. Why am I your biggest wolfread? What is you specific question?

@Esooa

@Esooa

@Esooa

@Esooa

@Esooa Somehow I agree and you're also at the top of my wolf reads.

[Esooa]

I'm really glad marmot doesn't know how to read posts in thread that aren't actively quoted specifically when he is in thread and only were accompanied by a literal mention

imagine making me waste a post on this

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm really glad marmot doesn't know how to read posts in thread that aren't actively quoted specifically when he is in thread and only were accompanied by a literal mention

imagine making me waste a post on this

Vote Marmot with me

[Dyslexicon]

Who the fuck is brad? Lime?

[Dyslexicon]

Who the fuck is brad? Lime?

Never mind. Me so topical

[Lime Coke]

Who the fuck is brad? Lime?

I'm Brad, yes.

[Dyslexicon]

Have you been a brad boy?

[Lime Coke]

Have you been a brad boy?

......sure?

[NotAnAxehole]

Hey Dizzy, why you hardly play?

[NotAnAxehole]

@Dyslexicon

[Dyslexicon]

uwu

requoting for emphasis

I'll switch to [VOTE: VOTE:STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND] aubergine. Clearly, you should have more to say than this.

I'll switch to [VOTE: VOTE:STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND] aubergine. Clearly, you should have more to say than this.

[Marmot]

I'm really glad marmot doesn't know how to read posts in thread that aren't actively quoted specifically when he is in thread and only were accompanied by a literal mention

imagine making me waste a post on this

nice

[Dyslexicon]

Hey Dizzy, why you hardly play?

I've been busy, hungover and the game hasn't really interested me. I'm reading right now though. Will read D1 first, see what I think.

[staypositivefriend]

if dyslexicon doesnt give us the full scumteam within the next 10 minutes then he should be killed immediately

[staypositivefriend]

anyone wanna talk about anything while im around?

[Dyslexicon]

if dyslexicon doesnt give us the full scumteam within the next 10 minutes then he should be killed immediately

I haven't even checked scum chat for my team calm down gay

[Dyslexicon]

anyone wanna talk about anything while im around?

How come you are so incredibly gay?

[staypositivefriend]

anyone wanna talk about anything while im around?

How come you are so incredibly gay?

maybe i was born this way, maybe it's maybelline

[NotAnAxehole]

@Dyslexicon I'm going to need you to vote Marmot

[Marmot]

if dyslexicon doesnt give us the full scumteam within the next 10 minutes then he should be killed immediately

I haven't even checked scum chat for my team calm down gay

Can you tell them I say hi

[Dyslexicon]

SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon I'm going to need you to vote Marmot

I'll see what I can do. I may be able to read the Marmot.

[staypositivefriend]

SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.

if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks

[Dyslexicon]

jagged's posts (particularly in the early game) did feel a bit "off" to me as well, but in a way that i find difficult to describe. if i had to put it into words, it would sound something like: "i feel like jagged is forcing himself to be curious about other peoples posts instead of letting the curiosity naturally come to him"

that said, i like the fact that my reads are largely in alignment with jagged's, and i think that some of the stuff that im picking up on is just a result of him playing a more low-key/less "leadership"-focused game, and that would probably make his posts feel different to me regardless of his alignment

this is a long way of saying that i dont really know jagged's alignment but that i'll figure it out

How is everyone on the SPF is probably mafia read?

[Lime Coke]

What is the reasoning that SPF is considered mafia? Like I have her town from Day 1 and she typically gets sus'd as town often anyways, I'm just wondering what the case people are saying are.

[NotAnAxehole]

jagged's posts (particularly in the early game) did feel a bit "off" to me as well, but in a way that i find difficult to describe. if i had to put it into words, it would sound something like: "i feel like jagged is forcing himself to be curious about other peoples posts instead of letting the curiosity naturally come to him"

that said, i like the fact that my reads are largely in alignment with jagged's, and i think that some of the stuff that im picking up on is just a result of him playing a more low-key/less "leadership"-focused game, and that would probably make his posts feel different to me regardless of his alignment

this is a long way of saying that i dont really know jagged's alignment but that i'll figure it out

How is everyone on the SPF is probably mafia read?

If you were more towny, I would be 100% behind it.

[Dyslexicon]

SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.

if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks

That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.

[staypositivefriend]

jagged's posts (particularly in the early game) did feel a bit "off" to me as well, but in a way that i find difficult to describe. if i had to put it into words, it would sound something like: "i feel like jagged is forcing himself to be curious about other peoples posts instead of letting the curiosity naturally come to him"

that said, i like the fact that my reads are largely in alignment with jagged's, and i think that some of the stuff that im picking up on is just a result of him playing a more low-key/less "leadership"-focused game, and that would probably make his posts feel different to me regardless of his alignment

this is a long way of saying that i dont really know jagged's alignment but that i'll figure it out

How is everyone on the SPF is probably mafia read?

looool id like to see you try to get me killed in this game dizzy, if this is the route that u wanna go down then it's not gonna be easy for u

[Dyslexicon]

If you were more towny, I would be 100% behind it.

Sorry. I should play to my mafia meta more so people can listen to me.

[leetic]

SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.

if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks

That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.

Why are you the player that I have the least reason to townread?

[Dyslexicon]

looool id like to see you try to get me killed in this game dizzy, if this is the route that u wanna go down then it's not gonna be easy for u

Urmom

[NotAnAxehole]

If you were more towny, I would be 100% behind it.

Sorry. I should play to my mafia meta more so people can listen to me.

Honestly, I agree with your last statement about your entrance today being towny. I still want a Marmot read before we can be friends though.

[staypositivefriend]

SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.

if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks

That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.

nah, i'm saying that if you are a wolf in this game then you are probably reasonably boxed in and need to get me chopped or POE'd at some point in this game in order to achieve your win condition. the first read that youve outed upon catching up with the game is a lazy and overconfident sounding wolfread on me, which tracks with how i would expect you to be playing as a wolf

and i dont think that either of us believe that you posting game-related content on d2 makes you an IC

[Dyslexicon]

Why are you the player that I have the least reason to townread?

Because you play a very abc game, scum reading anything that isn't performing townness. I can perform townness well as both alignment - ask around. Anyway, please be patience while I read D1 and I'll get back to you.

[cassandra]

lmao this is the third time this game that spf has said "i don't think either of us believe X" (i almost made this comment earlier then she did it again)

i think dizzy's recent posts are villagery but shrugz

[Dyslexicon]

SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.

if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks

That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.

nah, i'm saying that if you are a wolf in this game then you are probably reasonably boxed in and need to get me chopped or POE'd at some point in this game in order to achieve your win condition. the first read that youve outed upon catching up with the game is a lazy and overconfident sounding wolfread on me, which tracks with how i would expect you to be playing as a wolf

and i dont think that either of us believe that you posting game-related content on d2 makes you an IC

That's all useless cause I'm town. And I wouldn't be boxed in if I was wolf, cause I'm too cool and too gay

[staypositivefriend]

SPF, I'm noticing while catching up that you have randed mafia.

if youre a wolf then you probably need me to get chopped at some point in this game to fulfill your win condition, so that tracks

That doesn't track anything. "If I am" then that tracks. You need to figure out if I am woof or not first, my tuna. And as some people are able to understand, me chiming into the game for real for the first time now makes me IC. But feel free to ignore that or sprinkle wifom on it.

nah, i'm saying that if you are a wolf in this game then you are probably reasonably boxed in and need to get me chopped or POE'd at some point in this game in order to achieve your win condition. the first read that youve outed upon catching up with the game is a lazy and overconfident sounding wolfread on me, which tracks with how i would expect you to be playing as a wolf

and i dont think that either of us believe that you posting game-related content on d2 makes you an IC

That's all useless cause I'm town. And I wouldn't be boxed in if I was wolf, cause I'm too cool and too gay

alright, then why do you scumread me?

[staypositivefriend]

lmao this is the third time this game that spf has said "i don't think either of us believe X" (i almost made this comment earlier then she did it again)

i think dizzy's recent posts are villagery but shrugz

the thought occurred to me while i was making that post toward dizzy that i had already used that phrase this game, but it sounded cool so i did it anyway

[Dyslexicon]

alright, then why do you scumread me?

Because you noticed stuff that was going on around Jimmay in a scummy way.

That said, I'm not done catching up, so I haven't made my mind up about anything. Just poking you since you were here. I do love a good omgus fest.

[staypositivefriend]

alright, then why do you scumread me?

Because you noticed stuff that was going on around Jimmay in a scummy way.

That said, I'm not done catching up, so I haven't made my mind up about anything. Just poking you since you were here. I do love a good omgus fest.

what does the bolded actually mean? it's vague enough to basically be gibberish. why did i notice stuff about jimmy in a "scummy" way?

also for the record i don't necessarily think that youre a wolf and even mildly townleaned you throughout d1, but im pressuring you hard right now because the reads that you're posting seem overly insincere and like you're just poking at me because you think i'm a pushable target. we'll see if you change my mind when you start posting other thoughts