The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:56 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:55 pm He put into words why LC gave me the jeebies in the phase. Total 180 of his opinion in an opportunistic manner, and it’s good to know I wasn’t just no u-ing

oh, k.

Whaddya think of LC now in light of the things?

I’m sympathetic to the lynch stop as Mafia power argument but it could also be a Hallow, couldn’t it? Which would mean NAI.

Y’all tensions are a little high in the thread right now so let’s please just remember what’s important and be thankful that I am still alive in this game.

I am a little creeped out by Speed thanks to the residual Bullzeye suspicion, and I do not understand his voting for Glorf whatsoever. Long Con, see above. Luna is reminding me more of her scumplay, I don’t think she believes every argument she’s making.

Townlocks are timmer, juliets, 3J, maybe Jack. Poutanko still looks good to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:22 pm I can see town and scum motivation for Jay, Speed, Nutella and Quin’s reactions.

Why, why, why, and why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:22 pmJay probably not w/w with Speed, Nutella.

Why and why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:22 pmSpeed probably not w/w with Jay, LC. Quin maybe not w/w with Jay either.

Why, why, and why?

If you’re town, you believe this will catch scum. Otherwise, free suspects to chase. If Speed is town, he is voting to save a confirmed townie. Scum Speed could know the lynch is t/t and an LC mislynch hurts the town more than a Glor one. Nutella makes a fair point but I don’t buy it. She could be selling a lie or believe it herself. Town Quin is being normal stubborn Quin. Scum Quin still wants to mislynch Gloriets.

Scum Jay doesn’t go crazy barking at his teammates.

Scum Speed doesn’t make a big deal over bussing teammate LC when he could just not. He even townreads LC so there’s his excuse.

Quin and Jay just don’t have this spat as teammates imo.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:36 pm k so LC wasn't rescued by an elixir of life. *crosses out theory on scratch paper with bright red steve buscemi lipstick*

Jjj confirmed town. Adam Sandler’s new Netflix special is WAY funnier than it has any right being if anyone wants a rec

Is it standup?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:12 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:36 pm k so LC wasn't rescued by an elixir of life. *crosses out theory on scratch paper with bright red steve buscemi lipstick*

Jjj confirmed town. Adam Sandler’s new Netflix special is WAY funnier than it has any right being if anyone wants a rec

Is it standup?

Yeah, it’s a combination of jokes, joke-songs and a couple of songs that aren’t exactly funny but still nice

What do we think of me building the case that led to LC's no-lynch fam. Honest answers.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:12 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:36 pm k so LC wasn't rescued by an elixir of life. *crosses out theory on scratch paper with bright red steve buscemi lipstick*

Jjj confirmed town. Adam Sandler’s new Netflix special is WAY funnier than it has any right being if anyone wants a rec

Is it standup?

Yeah, it’s a combination of jokes, joke-songs and a couple of songs that aren’t exactly funny but still nice

You’re a good egg, Colin.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]
Do you know why you’re still alive?

I know why Long Con is still alive.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:10 pm Nutella makes a fair point but I don’t buy it. She could be selling a lie or believe it herself.

what is this referring to?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:17 pm I know why Long Con is still alive.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:14 pm What do we think of me building the case that led to LC's no-lynch fam. Honest answers.

I think that sounds super.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:14 pm What do we think of me building the case that led to LC's no-lynch fam. Honest answers.

I like this idea.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:14 pm What do we think of me building the case that led to LC's no-lynch fam. Honest answers.

I like this idea.

Well I already built the case, I'm asking what people think of me after the LC no-lynch. Since I built the case that would have lynched him.

Oh. I don't care about that as it pertains to your alignment. You look more civilian than not.

Regardless of the case I don’t think a scum
DH asks “Do people think this makes me look town?” about something.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:10 pm Nutella makes a fair point but I don’t buy it. She could be selling a lie or believe it herself.

what is this referring to?

Glor hates being mafia.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:12 am
Finally, there’s Epi. I’ve not seen that much from him and what I have seen, hasn’t impressed me much. For someone so experienced and competent here at The Syndicate, I find he’s been more ‘superficial’ in his posts than I recall has been the case in previous games. As I mentioned earlier, I think he’s very strong as Mafia and could be flying under the radar a bit.

It's called "working my ass off." I recommend everyone tries it some time.

Protip: Epi isn't here to impress you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:10 pm Nutella makes a fair point but I don’t buy it. She could be selling a lie or believe it herself.

what is this referring to?

Glor hates being mafia.

It's a well-known fact.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:17 pm I know why Long Con is still alive.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:10 pm Nutella makes a fair point but I don’t buy it. She could be selling a lie or believe it herself.

what is this referring to?

Glor hates being mafia.

It's a well-known fact.

That’s why it’s a fair point. I just think Glor is town for claiming it.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:10 pm Nutella makes a fair point but I don’t buy it. She could be selling a lie or believe it herself.

what is this referring to?

Glor hates being mafia.

It's a well-known fact.

Glorfindel definitely hates being mafia. I don't think it was relevant.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:14 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:10 pm Nutella makes a fair point but I don’t buy it. She could be selling a lie or believe it herself.

what is this referring to?

Glor hates being mafia.

It's a well-known fact.

Glorfindel definitely hates being mafia. I don't think it was relevant.

Why not? The point in contention was whether he would have said the thing about not wanting to be rezzed if he was mafia. If he got lynched as mafia I am 500% sure he would just give up and be glad to be over with it rather than be rezzed as a confirmed baddie which sounds like his worst nightmare.

Hey you know what would be great would be if we could move on and never talk about Glorf's truth meta ever again ever like forever. That would be cool and good.

Wasn't talking about it.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:17 pm Why not? The point in contention was whether he would have said the thing about not wanting to be rezzed if he was mafia. If he got lynched as mafia I am 500% sure he would just give up and be glad to be over with it rather than be rezzed as a confirmed baddie which sounds like his worst nightmare.

I am 0% sure of that, and even if it's true he says that in BTSC instead of the thread. Quitting in either alignment is obviously not ideal, but there are different connotations and motivations between them. A frustrated mafioso who quits is letting down a team with whom he or she is intimately involved because of that behind-the scenes communication. It amounts to looking them in the eye and saying "I am done playing this game with you, forget it." I don't think Glorfindel would do that regardless of how much he hates being a mafioso. He said in clear terms what he intended, and we know it wasn't a lie. That is never the truth for a Glorfindel with BTSC teammates relying on him. To me this was something so obvious that I find it highly dubious for anyone to have remained on his wagon after that point (who has any familiarity with him as a player).

A quitting civilian doesn't have the same feeling of responsibility, because the teammates are some unknown ambiguous set of people. Indeed, a quitting civilian often isn't even concerned with quitting that game, they're concerned with quitting THE game of Mafia itself -- just as Glorfindel expressed. There are no distinct faces attached to those teammates, so no concrete people are being let down.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:23 pm Hey you know what would be great would be if we could move on and never talk about Glorf's truth meta ever again ever like forever. That would be cool and good.

You bring up something else and a conversation might be born. Otherwise the thread is what it is, and reads are to be derived from it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:25 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:23 pm Hey you know what would be great would be if we could move on and never talk about Glorf's truth meta ever again ever like forever. That would be cool and good.

You bring up something else and a conversation might be born. Otherwise the thread is what it is, and reads are to be derived from it.

There's no civ explanation for Long Con's survival, and his team thought they wouldn't need it. Discuss.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:25 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:23 pm Hey you know what would be great would be if we could move on and never talk about Glorf's truth meta ever again ever like forever. That would be cool and good.

You bring up something else and a conversation might be born. Otherwise the thread is what it is, and reads are to be derived from it.

There's no civ explanation for Long Con's survival, and his team thought they wouldn't need it. Discuss.

What about the Invisibility Cloak? Could prevent the player from getting lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:25 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:23 pm Hey you know what would be great would be if we could move on and never talk about Glorf's truth meta ever again ever like forever. That would be cool and good.

You bring up something else and a conversation might be born. Otherwise the thread is what it is, and reads are to be derived from it.

There's no civ explanation for Long Con's survival, and his team thought they wouldn't need it. Discuss.

A deathly hallow would be alignment-neutral (so at least possibly civilian). The resurrection stone and invisibility cloak both could have some thematic and mechanical relevance. I'd agree that if he's a mafioso, the team wasn't figuring on needing that until very late when the wagon ballooned.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:25 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:23 pm Hey you know what would be great would be if we could move on and never talk about Glorf's truth meta ever again ever like forever. That would be cool and good.

You bring up something else and a conversation might be born. Otherwise the thread is what it is, and reads are to be derived from it.

There's no civ explanation for Long Con's survival, and his team thought they wouldn't need it. Discuss.

What about the Invisibility Cloak? Could prevent the player from getting lynched.

Sure, but I think the Invisibility Cloak being a lynch stop/lynch fail doesn't track thematically. Makes more sense to have it be something along the lines of preventing the user from being tracked or preventing a Night action than a lynch.

Ipso facto.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:25 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:23 pm Hey you know what would be great would be if we could move on and never talk about Glorf's truth meta ever again ever like forever. That would be cool and good.

You bring up something else and a conversation might be born. Otherwise the thread is what it is, and reads are to be derived from it.

There's no civ explanation for Long Con's survival, and his team thought they wouldn't need it. Discuss.

A deathly hallow would be alignment-neutral (so at least possibly civilian). The resurrection stone and invisibility cloak both could have some thematic and mechanical relevance. I'd agree that if he's a mafioso, the team wasn't figuring on needing that until very late when the wagon ballooned.

Do you think LC is bad and will you lynch him tomorrow to prove it?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:37 pm Do you think LC is bad and will you lynch him tomorrow to prove it?

He is a strong candidate. I might if I don't find something sexier.

"A Strong Candidate" mkay

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:39 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:37 pm Do you think LC is bad and will you lynch him tomorrow to prove it?

He is a strong candidate. I might if I don't find something sexier.

Another one right over the plate.

Hey Jay how come you voted Long Con after you said you wouldn't move your vote off Sprityo? Was that you that said that?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:42 pm Hey Jay how come you voted Long Con after you said you wouldn't move your vote off Sprityo? Was that you that said that?

I did say that. I am a liar. I didn't figure I'd be able to hang around the thread and push my own pet lynch since I was sitting in actual class during an actual class discussion, and beating on my keyboard would be distasteful. But then I did it anyway.

Since I was there, I chose a wagon. I don't like solo votes, and nobody went for sprityo. Long Con looked shady during the final proceedings to me and I wanted to save Glorf once it was clear to me that he was not the right way to go.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:39 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:37 pm Do you think LC is bad and will you lynch him tomorrow to prove it?

He is a strong candidate. I might if I don't find something sexier.

Another one right over the plate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:33 pm I trust Long Con less than I did when the day began. Whatever doubts I have stem from here. Someone argue with those points while I am in class.

Neato.

Nothing’s sexier than LC when you’re high.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:33 pm I trust Long Con less than I did when the day began. Whatever doubts I have stem from here. Someone argue with those points while I am in class.

Neato.

My posts really are neato

If LC has a Hallow, when would he have gotten it?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:24 am If LC has a Hallow, when would he have gotten it?

Started with it / killed someone and snagged it / last vote in the Turnip Head lynch

Like, if he got a Hallow from being the last person to vote for somebody, then the Hallow he got didn't stop that lynch so it wouldn't stop his.... right?

So 3 possible scenarios as I see them:

1. LC started with a Hallow, NAI, but does an LC with a Hallow make a big fuckin stink about trying to get more?
2. LC Did not start with a Hallow, but gained one through killing. Bad
3. LC's lynch stop was not the result of a Hallow. Bad.

Lets just get the fuckin' guy already.

Something feels fake about LC's enthusiasm for player salad specifically in his responses to me on the topic.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:25 am PLAYER SALAD! Great catch, and an even greater image used. Took me a sec, at first I thought the women represented the accused players laughing at the accuser. Which was fun too.

Player salad is a proven finder of baddies. Even the last game I was in, I accused Luna of it, and she was bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:10 am Epi, loved the 'four ingredient salad' comment.

JJJ: do I understand player salad?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:27 am A valued talent.

And, as a believer in Player Salad as a tell, that example really supports it. I do get, however, that the definition can be muddied easily. I think it's just gotta be analyzed by experts on a contextual basis.

Good night Epi!

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:00 pm Yes. This is just the kind of Salad I recognize. Excellent reference as well!!

INH

Particularly his fondness for the Seinfeld Mafia reference I made -- he loved the reference, but I am not sure he even remembered it. So, like, fake, you know?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 am Like, if he got a Hallow from being the last person to vote for somebody, then the Hallow he got didn't stop that lynch so it wouldn't stop his.... right?

Good point.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 amSo 3 possible scenarios as I see them:

1. LC started with a Hallow, NAI, but does an LC with a Hallow make a big fuckin stink about trying to get more?
2. LC Did not start with a Hallow, but gained one through killing. Bad
3. LC's lynch stop was not the result of a Hallow. Bad.

Lets just get the fuckin' guy already.

Good points.

(So far) every house looks to have one baddie in it. If you accept the premise that Long Con is bad, then he's Ravenclaw's Death Eater. Who is Hufflepuff's?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:38 am (So far) every house looks to have one baddie in it. If you accept the premise that Long Con is bad, then he's Ravenclaw's Death Eater. Who is Hufflepuff's?

I am hesitant to assume any particular distribution of mafia per house. Of the puffers though I would say speedzeye is the top suspect, followed by Epignosis.