The Syndicate

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 9:18 pm [VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Hello human. I am Wilgy. May I bite your wrist?

Can you explain your vote?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:27 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:24 pm I am the N2 cop. I checked Jack.

Fun fact I kept alternating between Jack and Epi in the PM until I settled for Jack.

Does this add anything to the conversation and did you allude to this previously?

They just died in the same night so it's a sad irony.

I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?

I like to check people who seem hard to read or who could be deepwolves.

Dragomir is anything but a deepwolf.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:43 pmDragomir is anything but a deepwolf.

Based on? (Sorry if this question line is annoying, but please do humor me so I can understand.)

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay.[/mention] hey, voice of reason. What are you thinking? Do you intend to join massclaim or have you already done so?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:43 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 9:18 pm [VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Hello human. I am Wilgy. May I bite your wrist?

Can you explain your vote?

Hi. I've been sussing Owner ever since D1 which has progressively been getting stronger and stronger. From joining Ultra(mafia) in lynching JJJ in which both of their cases weren't even that strong and looked fake. To what looked like TMI on Gemma after her lynch was made(to make it even worse, she completely ignored my questioning her about it). And lastly, going for a super low hanging fruit in Jessie last DP, completely avoiding discussing Speedchuck and RDW who were both leading wagons at one point. She also has zero interactions with Ultra.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:20 pm I'm the 2nd JoaT and since tsaiah missed n1 and 2 I only had one action n3, used the doc shot on ddl.

Why DDL?

@Owner of a Lonely Heart who did you target night 1?

How did you know I had an ability to target night 1?

I did track lux, as has been said. She jailkept JJJ.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:56 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pm
This reeks of chainsaw defense.

Let's say for a moment I don't know what a chainsaw defense is. (or don't know it by that name)

Should I

A. Google it
B. Phone a friend (aka I'm asking for a friend)
C. Wait and see if someone is willing to give the cliff notes version of it all so that I can accurately understand what he's saying about these two people

Only interaction she had with Ultra which I have no idea what this post even means or how it progresses the game.

Wilgy I am delighted.

Voyeur

N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:43 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 9:18 pm [VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Hello human. I am Wilgy. May I bite your wrist?

Can you explain your vote?

Hi. I've been sussing Owner ever since D1 which has progressively been getting stronger and stronger. From joining Ultra(mafia) in lynching JJJ in which both of their cases weren't even that strong and looked fake. To what looked like TMI on Gemma after her lynch was made(to make it even worse, she completely ignored my questioning her about it). And lastly, going for a super low hanging fruit in Jessie last DP, completely avoiding discussing Speedchuck and RDW who were both leading wagons at one point. She also has zero interactions with Ultra.

I didn't leave my vote on JJJ if memory serves. Gemma claimed day 1, that's not tmi. That's me being pissed off. She wanted to be subbed out. She stayed, but then people still mislynched her, when she was semi-clearly confirmed town, who claimed day 1. Mafia generally doesn't claim there. So sorry if I'm pissed off at the 5 or so people who mislynched when her second chance at saving someone could have helped us on n3. But no somehow she gotten mislynched on day 2.

Did anyone mentioned me for questions about it? If I didn't respond to questions about it, I probably didn't see the questions you are referring to. Or I guess there is a chance you made that up, but that would probably be sillier.


You are just pissed off about my reasons for voting for you that one day. It was only one vote, and you totally overreacted. I guess that could still point to you as be a solid reason to vote you off. Lux and Epi were voting for you the one day we almost lynched you instead of Soneji.

With Speedy's claim, I would probably put you on a team with him. Even though he says you didn't make the kills, you probably wouldn't be making the kills in the first place as there was so much suspicion around you to begin with.

Speedy if memory serves was also not voting for you, so I think that's where I'll be exploring.

You had votes on rdw, and i believe RDW also voted for you. So you guys aren't together, so I think in my mind that puts RDW in clear or at least in my town circle.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine with side of speedy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur

N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?

No, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 8:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:55 pm @DrWilgy You are in the POE by default which is a big problem because we've been lynching inactives by necessity and it's one day till MYLO as it stands.

Unfortunate.

So... By POE there's nothing else to go on or I am the best choice?

@MacDougall who did you target night 2?

There may be a ticket out of that hole and it's call the activity train. All aboard.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur

N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?

No, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.

Right I think you misread that.

I think final 3 scum are Speedy, DDL and Dragomir. And I think the votes can back that up. Or I see somewhat of a pattern there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:38 pm I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?

Why would Dragomir have been a wise decision?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm I think final 3 scum are Speedy, DDL and Dragomir. And I think the votes can back that up. Or I see somewhat of a pattern there.

What does this theory tell you about Mac?

[mention]Luxurious[/mention] I am stoked about your first game on our website. I hope to see you in another game with us soon. You're a lot of fun!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:51 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur

N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?

No, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.

Right I think you misread that.

I tracked Lux and showed that they targeted you. I don't see how it can be more black and white than that. So please explain what you are trying to say here.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:51 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur

N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?

No, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.

Right I think you misread that.

I tracked Lux and showed that they targeted you. I don't see how it can be more black and white than that. So please explain what you are trying to say here.

We're in agreement. I mean that I did say Lux jailed in that post just now. Check it in these quotes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:53 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm I think final 3 scum are Speedy, DDL and Dragomir. And I think the votes can back that up. Or I see somewhat of a pattern there.

What does this theory tell you about Mac?

It's more of a connection I'm seeing with speedy and Dragomir. Mac's votes are split between voting mostly for dragomir and voting on the main wagon.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 10:58 pm JaggedJimmyJay. hey, voice of reason. What are you thinking? Do you intend to join massclaim or have you already done so?

I've just done so. The role actions have been expended anyway, and they're all irrelevant to alignment. What's holding you back, Doctor Q. Wilgy?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:53 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm I think final 3 scum are Speedy, DDL and Dragomir. And I think the votes can back that up. Or I see somewhat of a pattern there.

What does this theory tell you about Mac?

It's more of a connection I'm seeing with speedy and Dragomir. Mac's votes are split between voting mostly for dragomir and voting on the main wagon.

I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:56 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:51 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur

N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?

No, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.

Right I think you misread that.

I tracked Lux and showed that they targeted you. I don't see how it can be more black and white than that. So please explain what you are trying to say here.

We're in agreement. I mean that I did say Lux jailed in that post just now. Check it in these quotes.

Oh!!! It's says Voyeur there.

So, RDW came to us after six days away and dropped these two posts.

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:02 pm [VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

I have a final in 48 minutes, then another final tomorrow. Sorry y'all.

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:03 pm In case y'all try and lynch me I am town tracker, MacDougall didn't target anyone night 2.

These were six hours prior to EOD. To my memory, at the time the tally was led by speedchuck at three votes, RDW himself had two, and Dragomir had one (RDW made it two). I demand interpretations immediately.

[VOTE: rundontwalk2] aubergine

[mention]rundontwalk2[/mention], what led you to choose Dragomir as your vote when you were able to get into the thread for a minute?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?

I remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:04 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?

I remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention], you are summoned to answer.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], tell me about Mac.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm With Speedy's claim, I would probably put you on a team with him. Even though he says you didn't make the kills, you probably wouldn't be making the kills in the first place as there was so much suspicion around you to begin with.

Is your theory of Dragomir and speedchuck being teamed specifically inspired by the claim, or does that strengthen some hunch you already had?

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], what drove your decision to jail me?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:34 pm completely avoiding discussing Speedchuck and RDW who were both leading wagons at one point.

[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention], this is something I'd like to see you address directly.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:30 pm So you weren't actually claiming doc just then eh

How many games have you played with Doctor Q. Wilgy?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:06 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:04 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?

I remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.

@DrWilgy, you are summoned to answer.

I feel like you should have also quoted the other one, but semantics, anyways, I feel kind of bad. People shouldn't leave me alive to solve the game. Like it happens a lot of games, I stay alive to the near end, cause I generally have a bunch of mislynch po[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]

But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.

*mislynch potential

#stupid mentioning thing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:12 am speedchuck, what drove your decision to jail me?

If you scum, I blocc
If you town, I protecc

Was hoping for one of those. I had no idea what your role was.

I too have been finding Wilgy's questions kind of odd, like he knows a weird set of information about the game but is still missing a lot. [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] how much have you read?

I am in agreement with Owner about the possibility of a speed/drago team and I think the third is likely RDW or Wilgy. Owner what are your thoughts on RDW?



[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for now, I'm still feeling worst about him

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:11 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm With Speedy's claim, I would probably put you on a team with him. Even though he says you didn't make the kills, you probably wouldn't be making the kills in the first place as there was so much suspicion around you to begin with.

Is your theory of Dragomir and speedchuck being teamed specifically inspired by the claim, or does that strengthen some hunch you already had?

Dragomir's reasons for voting me today just feel like all kinds of wrong or the progression on me feels like an agenda to mislynch me.

Speedy's claim today is now an association read to Dragomir's flip. The way speedy's claim brings up or talks about Dragomir, pinged me. I had no direct connections with them before today.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:19 am But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.

I do feel that Dragomir has been fiercer in his convictions than would make sense for a civilian mindset, particularly now at this stage of the game. I recall the MU folks recently referring to this as a "gotcha moment" -- when a player jumps all over a case with a degree of confidence that may not suit the circumstances (and as such it's a tell). Dragomir's entire post history is a continuous gotcha.

How willing are you to attribute that sort of mentality to personality instead of to alignment? It's almost the exact inverse of where we were with Gemma, who couldn't bring herself to make concrete reads at all in many cases.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:24 am I too have been finding Wilgy's questions kind of odd, like he knows a weird set of information about the game but is still missing a lot. @DrWilgy how much have you read?

I am in agreement with Owner about the possibility of a speed/drago team and I think the third is likely RDW or Wilgy. Owner what are your thoughts on RDW?



[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for now, I'm still feeling worst about him

RDW voted for Dragomir on day 2. He was one of the 5 on Dragomir or not one of the 7 who voted Soneji out. If memory serves, I think he was one of the later ones on Dragomir.

Yesterday, they were both voting for each other. If memory serves, I think Drago and RDW have been consistently voting each other or wanting the other one dead.

I wouldn't like put them on a team together.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:23 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:12 am speedchuck, what drove your decision to jail me?

If you scum, I blocc
If you town, I protecc

Was hoping for one of those. I had no idea what your role was.

My role wasn't very useful anyway. Did either your blocc or protecc mindset have a prevailing place in your decision?

Dragomir has avoided lynch day in day out. Will today be the day? Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:24 am Speedy's claim today is now an association read to Dragomir's flip. The way speedy's claim brings up or talks about Dragomir, pinged me. I had no direct connections with them before today.

You mean that I roleblocked/protected him on N2?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:19 am

But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.

Yeah, I get a similar feeling - [mention]Dragomir[/mention] I had some trouble articulating the problems I've had with the way you've been pursuing Owner but this is sort of it. It's like you have chosen her as the scapegoat to come back to whenever you feel like lightly pressuring someone, in a way that slowly, gradually manipulates the narrative to set her up as a future mislynch in your favor.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:28 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:23 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:12 am speedchuck, what drove your decision to jail me?

If you scum, I blocc
If you town, I protecc

Was hoping for one of those. I had no idea what your role was.

My role wasn't very useful anyway. Did either your blocc or protecc mindset have a prevailing place in your decision?

Block.

I'm still super paranoid. If I was choosing only based on protection, I might have chosen Lux or DDL or Mac. But I wanted to protect someone that could be dangerous town, but that also might net me a block.

It was clearly the wrong decision, so.

Egh.

All the roles are done and we got one town clear, a vig kill, and a block out of it. And I guess whatever we can tell from claimed targets.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:28 am RDW voted for Dragomir on day 2. He was one of the 5 on Dragomir or not one of the 7 who voted Soneji out. If memory serves, I think he was one of the later ones on Dragomir.

Yesterday, they were both voting for each other. If memory serves, I think Drago and RDW have been consistently voting each other or wanting the other one dead.

I wouldn't like put them on a team together.

You suggested earlier that you were inclined to put RDW in your town circle. Was that merely by dissociation from Dragomir, or because of RDW's own play?

Dragomir/RDW/Wilgy = Tier 1 Candidates. We should lynch the one that has the most teammates compatible with them today especially if that compatible teammate/s is also in this tier.

Speedchuck/Owner/Nutella = Tier 2. Back up plan lynches.

Jay = Tier 2. Unless he posts "I am scum" he isn't gonna get lynched and I don't see him being Mafia anyway so I am gonna just have faith we have townjay with us.

Luffy = A literal God in our presence. No tier exists to explain his glory.

I find your vote placement questionable nutella. How can you justify voting speed over dragdocwalk?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:26 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:19 am But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.

I do feel that Dragomir has been fiercer in his convictions than would make sense for a civilian mindset, particularly now at this stage of the game. I recall the MU folks recently referring to this as a "gotcha moment" -- when a player jumps all over a case with a degree of confidence that may not suit the circumstances (and as such it's a tell). Dragomir's entire post history is a continuous gotcha.

How willing are you to attribute that sort of mentality to personality instead of to alignment? It's almost the exact inverse of where we were with Gemma, who couldn't bring herself to make concrete reads at all in many cases.

Are you saying he's more "pushy" than his potential town self or he's doing something else?

]I do see this with a lot of scum. But town can also get pretty passionate at times.

It's a lot harder to do when I don't know them personally or haven't x number of games with them to distinguish personality from their actual tells or playstyle.

And I'm not sure, I'm fully getting your point here.

[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention], please click

I felt there was legitimate potential that Dragmoir and RDW were distancing.

Gnight guys. I'll be on a good bit tomorrow afternoon, weekend or no.