The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:09 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

All I know is that Jack has a very narrow focus this game. I remember, years ago probably, playing a multiball game with him when we were on opposite teams. We tunneled each other that game. So I don't think him going hard for Nut D1 is evidence of him being town, like he said (because he was prefer to be more under the radar as scum).

Thinking about it, I've never played with Jack without him giving a read on me. I don't think he has this game. I don't know why.

Sorry, probably not helpful. It still feels like D1 for me. No real leads.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:38 pmCause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:38 pmCause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

This is honestly what I wanted to hear lol

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:26 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:20 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:54 am [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella

Why does that make him bad?

So... is Turnip Head gonna hide behind me all game?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:47 pmYeah he knows that

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:38 pmCause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

This is honestly what I wanted to hear lol

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:41 pm @MacDougall

What do you have to say for yourself?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:38 pmCause I was super wrong on you in Girl Genius.

Also,I tunneled you in Mass Effect on like D8 after you had defended a teammate and coasted and I didn’t really care about your alignment, which is way different from how I’ve treated Nutella this game.

This is honestly what I wanted to hear lol

Like I legit thought I had your town and scumgames pegged and I didn’t. So I don’t know how to read you.

Why are you voting me?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:49 pm My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:48 pmLike I legit thought I had your town and scumgames pegged and I didn’t. So I don’t know how to read you.

Why are you voting me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:49 pm My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Your gut on me sucks.

Why would you even suspect me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:53 pm This game is a lot of
Some people: We need to vote X for meta reasons.
Some people: We need to not vote X for meta reasons.

And I'm like: ......

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm Or sprit? Idfk

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm Could we lynch Sabie?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:49 pm My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Your gut on me sucks.

Why would you even suspect me?

I'll provide ample reasons in due time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:57 pmOr Dragomir. Or G-Man. Or TSP. Name a player and they're likely a better lynch than me.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm Could we lynch Sabie?

Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask @MacDougall what he saw as Sabie's scum tell.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:12 pm I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

Bullshit.

It’s like you remember and don’t remember your own game as is convenient.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm Could we lynch Sabie?

Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask @MacDougall what he saw as Sabie's scum tell.

She worked too hard to quantify tossing a vote on me. She wrote a prep post for it, then in the vote post she wrote a wall of drivel to justify voting there. It's what nervous scum do especially when voting to block progression of a teammate wagon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:01 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:12 pm I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

This is a classic scum vote. Talk about someone else first. But ultimately have little reason to have even brought it up because the goal is to get your vote on the mislynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

Bullshit.

It’s like you remember and don’t remember your own game as is convenient.

Wtf does this even mean?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:15 pm I have a concern about sabie:

Spoiler: show

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:13 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:39 pm Ok I just read through @sprityo and almost all of it seems like fluff. He voted Jack on Day 1 making a point of saying it was just gut, but then also voted Jack on Day 2. Sprityo, are you still voting on just gut? I know you just got home and there is family to see and such so I don't want to push too hard but what's going on? You are capable of really great play as Jay pointed out but I can't say I see anything towny in your posts, and the vote for Jack on Day 2 is uninspiring or worse without a reason. Hope you are able to talk some more about this today.

Is anyone else having this same reaction or am I missing something?

Yeah I had the same feeling about spirityo so far. He hasn't done his usual amount of posting and accusing. Seems kinda blah.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:17 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:39 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:20 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:17 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

I mentioned bad vibes from sloonei and sprityo before they defended Colin, so this adds to my read of them. Idk if they'd be so bold as to defend a teammate but I'm willing to put pressure there

I don't think their defense of colin makes them sketchy as much as maybe their not being their usual scum hunting selves so far this game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:36 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:13 pm Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

That's what I said earlier that he could be pretending to be cursed. It was done by mafia to pretend like they were targeted by mafia so people would think they were civ

(the above is in conjunction with this post)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:20 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Ew.

I also thought this was ew. Tranq seems to be not at all interested in this game.

What happened to jack? Ever since nutella got lynched he hasn't been around as much. I feel like he is around more and more aggressive with the scum hunting when hes a civ. It was like he mainly cared about accusing nutella and then mac and now he's just whatever about it.

I havent had a chance to read gmans huge post yet.

(the above post is where this concern crystallized for me)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:03 pm Upon reviewing the whole of Mac's re-entry into the thread last night, I find myself uninspired by essentially all of it. Someone please tell me why Mac is a civilian.

I can’t, and for once I feel like I have a tangible suspicion against him as well: his “joke” about Dragomir that we had a short spat over. It was bizarre and of of nowhere, and after sleeping on it I feel like it was an attempt to slide the conversation back to a previous discussion (lynching a low poster, which both nanook and I had expressed tentative support for a little while earlier) without directly endorsing it or making it too obvious what he was doing. It looked like an awkward attempt at a transition disguised as a joke. If he genuinely wanted us to look at a low poster, he just needed to say so.

I think this is where I'm leaning with mac as well. I feel like he is trying to lead the thread in a different direction but in a sneaky way. He is a tough one to read but I'm leaning more scum on him.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:12 pm I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

It is starting to feel like sabie is simply agreeing with/supporting or encouraging every suspicion that gets voiced in the thread. That would be opportunism at its most glaring.

I've never had success at identifying mafia sabie, and I've misidentified town sabie as mafia multiple times in the past as well, though I think I've gotten slightly better in that regard (or perhaps more hesitant to suspect her) in more recent games. But this is a patter that I'm observing in this game that I have not recognized before. To be clear, I've seen sabie latch onto other people's suspicions plenty of times as a civilian in the past; who doesn't do that? But I'm also used to seeing her generate unique opinions and state her disagreement with cases now and again. I feel like she is disproportionately voicing support of other people's suspicions in this game, and that worries me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pmI’m insanely town here.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:20 pm I've had a hard time making reads this game it's such a big game and so much going on while also balancing real life things. I have a hard time keeping up sometimes and I respond when I'm able to to things that make sense to me. I think mac is going after me because I am easy to go after. I'm not a strong player early game and I know that's a weakness of mine because it takes me awhile to get into it. Also I'd like to point out that mac was town reading me and didnt have any problem with me whatsoever until I voted for him. Then all of a sudden I'm bad because I accused him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?

Going hard on anyone D1. Backing off Nutella.

We’ve been over this.

I don't associate that with any particular version of Jack. I do associate being overtly serious, having a harsh tone and a lack of joyfulness as being your scum game and it is here in spades.

Bullshit.

It’s like you remember and don’t remember your own game as is convenient.

Wtf does this even mean?

It means I was exactly as serious early on in that game as I am now. Your read is nonsense.